Michael Moore explains why Trump will win

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Submitted by kev374 on October 26, 2016 - 8:33pm

Submitted by millennial on October 27, 2016 - 12:55am.

Wow I might have to vote for trump

Submitted by moneymaker on October 27, 2016 - 4:42am.

I always thought of Michael Moore as a Democrat, he is definitely convincing however the middle class is still fucked unfortunately.

Submitted by CA renter on October 27, 2016 - 8:35am.

Yep. I've been telling people that if Bernie didn't make it past Clinton's firewall, Trump would win in November. We were hitting the streets for Bernie over the past 1+ year, and it was very clear that there were two candidates who were fueling the the passions of Americans from all walks of life -- Bernie and Trump. We rarely ever saw or heard from Hillary supporters, and we were working in every type of neighborhood. To be sure, she was more popular in the higher-end neighborhoods than in the poorer and middle-class communities, but she was largely unpopular across the board.

Submitted by harvey on October 27, 2016 - 9:10am.

CA renter wrote:
Yep. I've been telling people that if Bernie didn't make it past Clinton's firewall, Trump would win in November.

We'll see about that...

The polls are consistently showing a massive disparity between Clinton and Trump among Blacks and Hispanics - many polls are saying that Trump will effectively get no vote from African Americans.

He's not popular with women either:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/elec...

If Trump did win, the outcome will be determined predominantly by white males.

Let's hope we get a president with a broader mandate.

Submitted by millennial on October 27, 2016 - 9:35am.

CA renter wrote:
Yep. I've been telling people that if Bernie didn't make it past Clinton's firewall, Trump would win in November.

I really can't see how Trump can win when his appeal is to such a small minority of people. Yes you are correct that he creates very strong reactions one way or the other, but his chances to win are slim to none. The only scenario I could see him winning is if it was a tight race between 3 or more candidates. I think he has a strong appeal to 25%-35% of the population (predominately white, male, lower-middle class) who will make it in droves to the voting booths. However the rest of America loathes him.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on October 27, 2016 - 9:59am.

CA renter wrote:
Yep. I've been telling people that if Bernie didn't make it past Clinton's firewall, Trump would win in November.

LOL I was saying the same thing.
I am staging my own personal revolt by writing in Bernie.

Submitted by livinincali on October 27, 2016 - 1:32pm.

millennial wrote:
CA renter wrote:
Yep. I've been telling people that if Bernie didn't make it past Clinton's firewall, Trump would win in November.

I really can't see how Trump can win when his appeal is to such a small minority of people. Yes you are correct that he creates very strong reactions one way or the other, but his chances to win are slim to none. The only scenario I could see him winning is if it was a tight race between 3 or more candidates. I think he has a strong appeal to 25%-35% of the population (predominately white, male, lower-middle class) who will make it in droves to the voting booths. However the rest of America loathes him.

Trump's appeal isn't the right way of looking at this election. Hillary's appeal is rather low as well. This election comes down to how the people that don't really like either candidate vote or don't vote for them. I think Hillary will probably win. She'll possibly win big if voter turnout is good, but I don't think voter turnout is going to be very good. Trump's path to victory is low voter turnout. Are the disenfranchised Black and Hispanic voter who tend to vote at polling places going to show up and possibly wait in line to vote for Hillary. They did enthusiastically for Obama but I don't really see it for Hillary.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 27, 2016 - 2:22pm.

if we can compel citizens to pay taxes, and perform jury service, and register for the draft, why cant we compel them to vote?

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 27, 2016 - 3:44pm.

http://scoutsomerville.com/jill-stein-st...

jill stein was a folk rock singer who sang about biking in boston. she just got arrested for spray painting a bulldozer.

im gonna,send her a donation. i NEVER donate. jill 2016!!!!

Submitted by CardiffBaseball on October 27, 2016 - 5:06pm.

I have seen at least two articles now talking about the massive support he seems to be getting in my home area, Youngstown, Ohio.

When I grew up, even if you were conservative you registered Democrat if nothing else to have some say-so in the primary process. Yet Trump kicked the ass of John Kasich in that part of Ohio during the primary even though Kasich won the state. Trump as 2nd place finisher, received more votes than the winner. Trump's 35% 2nd place finish was good for 727,500 to Kasich's 956,750 (Approx) or close to 47%. Hillary took Ohio with 679,000 to 513,500 for Bernie.

Keeping in mind Trump could very easily flip Ohio, NC and FLA I'm really surprised the amateur political scientists on here, are not at least a little concerned. He was a distant 2nd and still got a lot more votes. I am looking at some professor's model who predicts races based on contested primaries, early in the race to see where the passion and energy is. I don't know how his predictor works during say 2012 where Obama was unopposed. My guess is his model is only worth a damn in years like this.

In any case I can't see how anyone on either side can spike footballs at this point. You could literally see this come down to something like Nevada, Colorado, etc.

I'm wondering if that NeoCon leading Utah will end up winning that state. While this year is ugly as hell I've also had more fun than I've ever had. Happenings all the time. Wikileaks, Guccifer, Guccifer 2.0, Private recordings, strange alliances. Thoroughly entertaining.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 27, 2016 - 5:40pm.

Trump did not transform America. He revealed the true nature of 40% of the population. Enable the deplorables at your own peril. You enable them, you own them.

Submitted by bearishgurl on October 27, 2016 - 6:05pm.

CardiffBaseball wrote:
. . . In any case I can't see how anyone on either side can spike footballs at this point. You could literally see this come down to something like Nevada, Colorado, etc.

I'm wondering if that NeoCon leading Utah will end up winning that state. While this year is ugly as hell I've also had more fun than I've ever had. Happenings all the time. Wikileaks, Guccifer, Guccifer 2.0, Private recordings, strange alliances. Thoroughly entertaining.

You are absolutely correct, CardiffBaseball. When all is said and done, it WILL come down to NV and CO. I feel Trump will take NV but not so sure about CO, which has morphed into a different animal since they went 420 crazy and all its attendant millenials moved in to take advantage of that on a daily basis :=0

Yes, McMullin may very well win UT, which wouldn't be good for Trump. I have my wikileaks pages bookmarked and they are very entertaining, yes .... but I am mostly impressed by the Project Veritas videotapes. They remind me of a bygone era in my life. That's all I'm going to say except for "Hail to James O'Keefe" for all the good work he's contributing to educating society! His plant(s) were absolute geniuses!

Submitted by La Jolla Renter on October 27, 2016 - 9:02pm.

Seems like he positioned his rant to get taken out of context.

Am I the only one that finds Michael Moore and his 50M net worth and 9 houses a tad hypocritical?

Submitted by harvey on October 27, 2016 - 9:19pm.

bearishgurl wrote:
... but I am mostly impressed by the Project Veritas videotapes. They remind me of a bygone era in my life. That's all I'm going to say except for "Hail to James O'Keefe" for all the good work he's contributing to educating society! His plant(s) were absolute geniuses!

You're right BG, James O'Keefe is an example of the highest standards of integrity among journalists. He's done so much quality work an we are all better educated for it.

One of his best peices on Projet Veritas is Teachers Union Gone Wild where he exposes the absurdities of public teacher unions. It a great piece where "the moral and ethical vacancy of union culture was put on on display":

http://projectveritas.com/teachers-union...

An often drunk chorus of NJEA leaders were captured on hidden camera mocking the education system and the absurd protections afforded to them by their union status.

Hail to James O'Keefe!

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 27, 2016 - 10:54pm.

La Jolla Renter wrote:

Am I the only one that finds Michael Moore and his 50M net worth and 9 houses a tad hypocritical?

Yes.
Just because one is an advocate doesn't mean one should live in poverty.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 27, 2016 - 11:50pm.

livinincali wrote:

Trump's appeal isn't the right way of looking at this election. Hillary's appeal is rather low as well. This election comes down to how the people that don't really like either candidate vote or don't vote for them. I think Hillary will probably win. She'll possibly win big if voter turnout is good, but I don't think voter turnout is going to be very good. Trump's path to victory is low voter turnout. Are the disenfranchised Black and Hispanic voter who tend to vote at polling places going to show up and possibly wait in line to vote for Hillary. They did enthusiastically for Obama but I don't really see it for Hillary.

I am willing to bet that Hillary will win by a wider margin than Obama won in 2012. More electoral votes.

If i lose, I give my word of honor I will donate $500 to next republican nominee. Are you willing to donate to the Democratic nominee in 2020?

Submitted by millennial on October 28, 2016 - 12:23am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
livinincali wrote:

Trump's appeal isn't the right way of looking at this election. Hillary's appeal is rather low as well. This election comes down to how the people that don't really like either candidate vote or don't vote for them. I think Hillary will probably win. She'll possibly win big if voter turnout is good, but I don't think voter turnout is going to be very good. Trump's path to victory is low voter turnout. Are the disenfranchised Black and Hispanic voter who tend to vote at polling places going to show up and possibly wait in line to vote for Hillary. They did enthusiastically for Obama but I don't really see it for Hillary.

I am willing to bet that Hillary will win by a wider margin than Obama won in 2012. More electoral votes.

If i lose, I give my word of honor I will donate $500 to next republican nominee. Are you willing to donate to the Democratic nominee in 2020?

. Sure. But if you win it's cause the whole thing is rigged

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 28, 2016 - 1:00am.

Here's Michael Moore talking to Megyn Kelly

https://youtu.be/Wsu_76NB_vE

Submitted by livinincali on October 28, 2016 - 9:03am.

FlyerInHi wrote:

I am willing to bet that Hillary will win by a wider margin than Obama won in 2012. More electoral votes.

If i lose, I give my word of honor I will donate $500 to next republican nominee. Are you willing to donate to the Democratic nominee in 2020?

Here's the electoral map of 2012. Which states do you see flipping to the democratic nominee.

I won't make the bet though because I think Hillary probably will win and I'll never give my money to that criminal enterprise.

Submitted by SK in CV on October 28, 2016 - 9:35am.

livinincali wrote:

Here's the electoral map of 2012. Which states do you see flipping to the democratic nominee.

I won't make the bet though because I think Hillary probably will win and I'll never give my money to that criminal enterprise.

North Carolina almost for sure. Other possibilities, in order of likelihood: Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas. Clinton may not hold all Obama's states. Ohio and Florida are toss ups. The winner, however, is not a toss-up.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 28, 2016 - 2:18pm.

Livin, if i were you, i would have taken the bet, if we are to believe the polls. The bet is actually tilted in your favor so I should get higher payout for winning.

My intuition tells me that Hispanics and women are energized against Trump and he will lose big. I draw my confusions based on how badly the press predicted 2012. Even the Romney campaign was blindsided by the loss; and people became very depressed.

Only more than 1 week to find out.

Basically, in 2012, Obama lost Indiana and North Carolina.
Clinton will likely win North Carolina, and Trump is looking to lose Utah. If Clinton wins Ohio, Florida and Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas then it's a landslide.

Submitted by njtosd on October 28, 2016 - 2:36pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
La Jolla Renter wrote:

Am I the only one that finds Michael Moore and his 50M net worth and 9 houses a tad hypocritical?

Yes.
Just because one is an advocate doesn't mean one should live in poverty.

I don't care whether you agree with MM or not, he is VERY full of himself and does not come across as a nice guy. I don't think he operates based on his concern for the downtrodden. I think his engine runs on hate for the 1%, of which he is now a part.

Submitted by millennial on October 28, 2016 - 4:24pm.

njtosd wrote:

I don't care whether you agree with MM or not, he is VERY full of himself and does not come across as a nice guy. I don't think he operates based on his concern for the downtrodden. I think his engine runs on hate for the 1%, of which he is now a part.

Here is the full video http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 28, 2016 - 4:44pm.

njtosd wrote:

I don't care whether you agree with MM or not, he is VERY full of himself and does not come across as a nice guy. I don't think he operates based on his concern for the downtrodden.

I like Michael Moore and Bill Mayer.
They don't need to be nice. They are telling non-politically correct truths.

I think that Democrats are too nice and politically correct. Too academic and elitist sounding. You have to talk the vernacular that average people understand. Isn't that Trump's appeal?

Michael Moore's movie sales will hit the roof on iTunes. Good marketing for him, thanks to Trump.

njtosd wrote:

I think his engine runs on hate for the 1%, of which he is now a part.

Trump claims that as a member of the 1%, he knows everything and can fix things.
Now that Michael Moore is rich, can he not make the same argument? Wouldn't MM's working class background give him even more knowledge than Trump?

Submitted by millennial on October 28, 2016 - 8:33pm.

Just watched it and it was pretty good. Was interested because of a Vote for Trump rant and realized about halfway through that he is a strong Clinton fan. At the end I bet all the trump voters in the room will be voting Hilary along with many others.

Submitted by harvey on October 29, 2016 - 6:31pm.

Unfortunately the Moore film is being presented on You Tube and elsewhere in short edits of scenes where Moore sympathizes with the concerns of Trump supporters.

The You Tube clips are being portrayed as "Michael Moore is pro Trump" as they are in the OP.

Typical tactics of today's American right wing.

The American Right seems to be incapable of understanding that film and interviews can actually be edited in misleading way. The O'Keefe films are a comedy of ametuer parlor tricks, but so many just accept them as compelling proof.

Yup, the You Tube clip of the Moore film fooled the OP and many others.

http://collider.com/michael-moore-trumpl...

Change the name of the thread to Actually watch the whole fucking movie to See How Michael Moore explains why Hillary should win

...or better yet keep it up as a monument the flames of ignorance that Trump seems to be fanning so well.

Submitted by La Jolla Renter on October 29, 2016 - 8:45pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
La Jolla Renter wrote:

Am I the only one that finds Michael Moore and his 50M net worth and 9 houses a tad hypocritical?

Yes.
Just because one is an advocate doesn't mean one should live in poverty.

walk the talk.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 29, 2016 - 11:54pm.

millennial wrote:
Just watched it and it was pretty good. Was interested because of a Vote for Trump rant and realized about halfway through that he is a strong Clinton fan. At the end I bet all the trump voters in the room will be voting Hilary along with many others.

Haven't had the timely watch yet. But I wil be happy to give Michael Moore $5.

Submitted by kev374 on October 30, 2016 - 12:37am.

Personally I think it will be a tight race but Hillary will ultimately win. Trump just does not have the broad support required.

Submitted by harvey on October 30, 2016 - 7:16am.

La Jolla Renter wrote:
walk the talk.

What is he supposed to walk?

I'm not really a big fan of Moore, but the message in his films is not that "rich people are evil" or "nobody should be rich." His themes are about corruption and corporate influence on policy. If he were a lobbyist I'd call im hypocritical, but that's not how he earned his wealth.

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