Merry Christmas to all !

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Submitted by sjk on December 20, 2015 - 8:42pm

I just like to take a moment to wish everyone here a very Merry Christmas!! My best to everyone.... Take care of those closest to you ..

Regards,

Submitted by phaster on December 20, 2015 - 8:55pm.

sjk wrote:
I just like to take a moment to wish everyone here a very Merry Christmas!! My best to everyone.... Take care of those closest to you ..

Regards,

being PC for those godless heathens, thank Jesus Christ I'm not one of them ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjbnSghLV8

happy "Festivus"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8rzt-vj2gU

or whatever floats your boat....

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 21, 2015 - 7:45am.

It was a crime in colonial puritan america,to celebrate xmas.

They are rolling over in their Graves at our utter commercialization of the Lord.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on December 21, 2015 - 12:09pm.

season's greetings!

Submitted by Doofrat on December 21, 2015 - 2:05pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
It was a crime in colonial puritan america,to celebrate xmas.

They are rolling over in their Graves at our utter commercialization of the Lord.

Third generation atheist here and even I celebrate Christmas: tree, lights, food, decorations, presents, cards.
Yeah, it's totally lost it's original meaning, but it's still a fun holiday and you get time off work :)

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 21, 2015 - 2:55pm.

doofrat wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
It was a crime in colonial puritan america,to celebrate xmas.

They are rolling over in their Graves at our utter commercialization of the Lord.

Third generation atheist here and even I celebrate Christmas: tree, lights, food, decorations, presents, cards.
Yeah, it's totally lost it's original meaning, but it's still a fun holiday and you get time off work :)


Only pagans are into Christmas.  When this nation was founded, Christmas was not a national holiday.  Indeed, The Senate sometimes was actually in session on Christmas day during the earlier years of our nation.  The Puritan spirit prevailed, which basically was, Christmas day is bogus, and you don’t celebrate Jesus’ birth, whatever day it was, by partying gift giving and merriment.  .  We were not just about consumption of goods and foods.  We were a serious people.  The puritan spirit reigned supreme for many years.  It was commonly known anf understood a t hat time that 12/25 was not the birthday of the Savior, but was merely selected because it was a pagan holiday coopted by the Church to gain applause from the masses. Since them, Americans forgot. Or something.
 
England was where Christmas involved debauchery, drunkenness, games, gifts and such.  We in the USA were fleeing from this foolishness.  Sometime in the late 1800s, the mood switched.  Perhaps we had come far enough away from the revolution to feel safe in celebrating what had for a hundred years or so  been a non-event in the USA – the paganly selected date of 12/25. 
 
Why do I dislike xmas so much?  Hard to say.  I suppose at base I believe in principles.  I respect the Puritan viewpoint for its consistency.  This dressing up in santa suits and yipping about jesus and buying lots of stuff and partying—offends my sensibilities.  Just because I don’t believe something is true, doesn’t mean that other people’s beliefs don’t matter to me, and , well, I guess I fall ideologically on the Puritan side.  I am annoyed by inappropriate merriment, hypocrisy and xmas.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on December 21, 2015 - 3:33pm.

Bah Humbug LOL,

Go out and buy new bikes or something for you and the family.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 21, 2015 - 3:51pm.

The-Shoveler wrote:
Bah Humbug LOL,

Go out and buy new bikes or something for you and the family.

Uh, no way. No gifts.

We only buy upon need or a deal.

Christmas is not merry. It should be spent in serious introspective reflection, preferably in a cold new England church.

Submitted by pencilneck on December 21, 2015 - 4:47pm.

A definite highlight of my Christmas holiday is always reading David Collum's Year End Review.

"Scenic vistas from Mount Stupid"
http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/95808...

He's very thought provoking, whether or not you agree with him. Very Long, by Internet standards, but well worth the read. Even if you don't have the time, it's worth a quick glance for the first chart alone.

Merry Christmas, fellow Pigginton fans.

Submitted by svelte on December 22, 2015 - 8:05am.

scaredyclassic wrote:

Why do I dislike xmas so much?  Hard to say.  I suppose at base I believe in principles.  I respect the Puritan viewpoint for its consistency.  This dressing up in santa suits and yipping about jesus and buying lots of stuff and partying—offends my sensibilities.  Just because I don’t believe something is true, doesn’t mean that other people’s beliefs don’t matter to me, and , well, I guess I fall ideologically on the Puritan side.  I am annoyed by inappropriate merriment, hypocrisy and xmas.

I feel pretty much like that most years. I do. I grin and bear it because I don't want to be a downer and don't feel it is a big enough issue for me to attempt to persuade others. So I go through the motions. I put up with the repetitive songs, the gaudy decorations, the commercialized trading of bad guesses at gifts.

But this year, this year is different. I'm excited this year. We have a couple of little ones running around the house this year (younger than 7) and they are super excited. It is rubbing off on me. To drive around looking at Christmas decoration and watch the awe come across their faces, to hear the excitement in their voices, to see them jump around like pogo sticks around the tree. That's what Christmas is about - the little ones.

I think it started this season when about a month ago - not seasonly timed but by pure accident - we watched the Christmas Special episode of the British show Stella that was made a few years back. It was beautifully done. Christmas can be tasteful, though usually it isn't done that way.

In any case, I'm sure I will revert back to my old viewpoint in whatever December these littles one are either no longer little or no longer in our household. But for now, I'm gonna enjoy the feeling.

And we've highjacked this thread a bit. For that I apologize, sjk.

Though I'm neither a believer nor a Christian, Merry Christmas to ya sjk my friend.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 22, 2015 - 12:57pm.

Still disagree.

Children have wonder for everything.

By overstimulating with lights, presents, music etc, we actually reduce their capacity for wonder. They need increasingly bigger doses. A simple dried dandelion stalk no longer suffices.

I suppose it is OK to say merry christmas. Just leave it there.

Submitted by mixxalot on December 22, 2015 - 7:44pm.

I am the same way. I have not bought any presents or sent cards for xmas in over 20 years. I stopped after folks decided not to celebrate by reciprocating.

Now I feel much better its just another consumer holiday where everything shuts down for the week, traffic is 10x as bad because nobody works during xmas week and I need to just watch movies or study until the day passes.

Submitted by mixxalot on December 22, 2015 - 7:45pm.

Well as a buddhist, I never celebrate any holidays. I did buy a tasty Julian apple pie for the week to enjoy along with some ice cream.

Submitted by svelte on December 22, 2015 - 10:30pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Still disagree.

Children have wonder for everything.

By overstimulating with lights, presents, music etc, we actually reduce their capacity for wonder. They need increasingly bigger doses. A simple dried dandelion stalk no longer suffices.

I suppose it is OK to say merry christmas. Just leave it there.

I respect your right to disagree - just think maybe you're holding your butt cheeks a lil tight.

The way Christians raise children works, the way my family raises children works, and the way you raise your children works. I’m fond of saying that you have to be a severely bad parent to screw up a kid. Kids are very resilient and are exposed to so much outside of their immediate family and neighborhood now that they can quickly adapt to overcome whatever deficiencies we have as parents. Unless the kid isn’t hitting on all cylinders then they were screwed to begin with.

Kids - all kids - have plenty of rough days growing up and will have even more as an adult. Who am I to be scrooge and dissuade them from enjoying Christmas. They'll turn out juuuust fine.

It just seemed like everyone was trying to be the turd in sjk’s punch bowl in this thread. I’m saying its all good. Enjoy!

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 23, 2015 - 9:12am.

Suicide rates jump during the holidays.

Why?

Expectations.

Depression also jumps.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 23, 2015 - 9:13am.

Sjk, I wish you a low expectation, undepressed, reasonably good winter solstice.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 23, 2015 - 9:19am.

Maybe this is why I have trouble in real life interactions.

I AM kind of a turd in a punch bowl.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 23, 2015 - 9:37am.

svelte wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Still disagree.

Children have wonder for everything.

By overstimulating with lights, presents, music etc, we actually reduce their capacity for wonder. They need increasingly bigger doses. A simple dried dandelion stalk no longer suffices.

I suppose it is OK to say merry christmas. Just leave it there.

I respect your right to disagree - just think maybe you're holding your butt cheeks a lil tight.

The way Christians raise children works, the way my family raises children works, and the way you raise your children works. I’m fond of saying that you have to be a severely bad parent to screw up a kid. Kids are very resilient and are exposed to so much outside of their immediate family and neighborhood now that they can quickly adapt to overcome whatever deficiencies we have as parents. Unless the kid isn’t hitting on all cylinders then they were screwed to begin with.

Kids - all kids - have plenty of rough days growing up and will have even more as an adult. Who am I to be scrooge and dissuade them from enjoying Christmas. They'll turn out juuuust fine.

It just seemed like everyone was trying to be the turd in sjk’s punch bowl in this thread. I’m saying its all good. Enjoy!

I change my mind. Some days I agree that parents don't matter so much others I agree with larkin:

They fuck you up, your mum and dad
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.
Philip Larkin

Childhood is generally surviveable, and people can seem ok...but when you actually talk to people really talk....they do seem to range from slightly wacky to deeply fucked up...with various abilities to cope.

And it might be their parents who made them a little nuttier than necessary.

Article on tight puritan butt cheeks re: banning christmas:

http://theweek.com/articles/479313/when-...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on December 23, 2015 - 1:56pm.

Problem with gift giving is that you have to reciprocate with a nicer gift otherwise people will say that you're a "user," not a "giver".

Getting together for a simple meal with 1 special dish should be enough. No wasteful buffet style feast. My mom used to make enough for the guests. No extras.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 23, 2015 - 6:58pm.

For a decade or so relatives would give us gifts and we gave nothing.
Finally they stopped
I wonder if they hate us

Submitted by FlyerInHi on December 23, 2015 - 8:13pm.

They are talking among themselves. Cheapskate lawyer they say.

Asians here would tell you that they give cash in red envelopes. Seems like a better way. I was told that the rule is that older married people give money to young unmarried ones. If you're an old bachelor or an old maid you don't get anything. Not for Christmas for lunar new year

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 23, 2015 - 9:49pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
They are talking among themselves. Cheapskate lawyer they say.

Asians here would tell you that they give cash in red envelopes. Seems like a better way. I was told that the rule is that older married people give money to young unmarried ones. If you're an old bachelor or an old maid you don't get anything. Not for Christmas for lunar new year

Giving is its own reward. Why get mad at me?

Submitted by paramount on December 24, 2015 - 12:53am.

Oh what an awesome and beautiful sight;
A baby born, in the still of the night.
No trumpets or fanfare, to announce His birth;
Just the dirty old barn animals, for what it’s worth.

Hay for His mattress, a trough for His bed;
No soft fluffy pillow, to place His wee head.
No stunning royal robes, or attendents to care;
For this new born King of Kings, so tiny and fair.

God let Him be born, in the lowest of places;
A barn full of animals, with somber faces.
A humbling experence, just one of a kind;
A gift from the Father, to save all of mankind.

Oh! but did the angels rejoice, on that special night;
When they witnessed the glory, of that perfect sight.
In the form of a baby, who lay in the hay;
Was the Savior who would die, to show us the way.

So when you get caught up in, toys, trees and lights;
Stop and remember, that first Christmas night.
Think of how humble, those people did feel;
Cause the birth of the Christ child…was very real.

Eleanor M.Sorrentino-Peterman

Submitted by njtosd on December 24, 2015 - 12:57am.

Merry Christmas, sjk! A read through of the other comments makes me feel somewhat shallow and consumeristic. But no matter. I love Christmas, and always will.

Submitted by flyer on December 24, 2015 - 6:53am.

We're looking forward to another wonderful Christmas, and thank you for your wishes, sjk.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 24, 2015 - 10:37am.

Well I spoke too soon. My wife went a little crazy and got it in her head to make some homemade type gift thing that actually required a lot of work and some money. I was driving her around late last night, slightly crazed, also I had an expiring rewards certificate at sport chalet that I felt compelled to use because she wanted a particular object and if I didn’t buy it by close of business last night it wouldn’t be free. I am cheap, I guess. And I did exaggerate a bit, often I give the kids cash. Last night we bought them a few small goofy gift things too ata Target filled with definitely not happy or joyous looking late night shoppers. I went to the Ranch 99 asian market while she toiled at the craft store. I saw a really intriguing Asian candy consisting of fake candy hamburgers with a truly disturbing talking hamburger with mittens and socks on on the wrapper.

. Who would like this, I thought.

. She was up late last night finishing up some handicraft. I’m sure it still gets us tagged as super cheap. I looked online for red Asian gift envelopes, and they’re pretty inexpensive. Maybe I’ll buy a bunch of those and surprise everyone next year with money. I only like to give cash as a gift, because it requires no shopping. Also it is so very efficient. It is worth exactly as much as it cost you to the person you are giving it to. In fact, if the giver is fairly well off, it is probably worth more to the recipient. Very efficient. As opposed to an icky sweater.

I did some years back buy 100 used “money bags”, canvas bags for transport of coinage by banks. I have them in the garage. I put money in t hem and gave them to kids to take to birthday parties, also for weddings, bar mitzvahs, etc. . Sort of a modified red envelope thing. The bags themselves are pretty cool, they have the names of banks on them sometimes, or US MINT, and the type of coin in them. Also they can be weathered and worn in nice ways. It is pleasant to think of all the travels they made with all the money in them. What could be better than getting a gift of some cash in a money sack? The bags themselves go for 3 to 7 $ each on ebay, and I hope the people ive given them too keep them…. They’re so useful. if you buy 100 you get a BIG discount.

I use one as a travel cosmetics bag. Also for various storage purposes. I love the way they feel.

I m in a great mood. Went for a long hike on the pacific crest trail yesterday with the whole family, eldest is off from college, was freezing, had decent Pho afterwards, everyone was happy together. Why wait for Christmas though for family togetherness or loving mood? It’s either there all the time or it’s probably fake.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on December 24, 2015 - 2:24pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
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Giving is its own reward. Why get mad at me?

So they say. But few mean it.

Submitted by flyer on December 24, 2015 - 4:40pm.

"Why wait for Christmas though for family togetherness or loving mood? It’s either there all the time or it’s probably fake."

Agree. Christmas is all the time with us.

Submitted by Coronita on December 25, 2015 - 6:53pm.

Merry Christmas everyone.

Submitted by mixxalot on December 25, 2015 - 9:50am.

LIkewise,

I picked up some tasty Julian Apple pies and vanilla ice cream! What a treat for Xmas!

Submitted by phaster on December 26, 2015 - 10:45am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
It was a crime in colonial puritan america,to celebrate xmas.

They are rolling over in their Graves at our utter commercialization of the Lord.

colonial puritan's would NOT be rolling over in their Graves at our utter commercialization of the Lord becuse that would require the transformation of dead puritan's into a ZOMBIE which is defined as (the body of a dead person given the semblance of life)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/z...

having said that I do agree that there is way too much commercialization and consumption associated with this time of year (which in turn has an adverse affect on the environment) and much of this can be traced back to a marketing champaign to move more product which sold well in the summer (but not so-much in the winter)

Coca-Cola did help to create the modern-day image of Santa, and in fact the way most of us see Santa Claus – friendly and plump with a white beard – did come from Coca-Cola advertising.

http://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/...

on last though since you mentioned "Lord," ever consider that the first of the 10 commandments is actually an admonishment/reminder not to over consume?

1) You shall have no other gods before me. (i.e. $hit sold at a $tore/$hopping mall)

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