Megadrought Threatens California Power Blackouts This Summer

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Submitted by phaster on May 2, 2022 - 11:21am

Wonder what drought and blackouts is going to do to real estate prices and the economy???

Megadrought Threatens California Power Blackouts This Summer

A troubling sign for the south western USA is,...

Vegas water intake now visible at drought-stricken Lake Mead

FYI looking at the science literature the South Western USA can have dry periods that lasts thousands of years

Submitted by phaster on June 3, 2022 - 12:14pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
I see no technology that a problem can't solve. Maybe Ted k. Was not entirely nuts. True, bombing people is bad, but the manifesto has aged pretty well, from it's opening declaration onward...

"The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation."

being lucky enough to win the pussy lottery (i.e. be born a citizen of an “advanced” country) AND also been fortunate enough to have visited in “shit hole” countries (as TRUMP would say)

IMHO,... have to say KAZANSKI was targeting the wrong idea,... technology as I see things is just a tool that can be used for "good " or "evil"

think of it this way a scapal (which is a piece of technology) in the hands of skilled surgeon can save a persons life if for example an appendix burst and needs to be removed,... OR consider a scapal in the hands of a young child, which is a disaster in the making,... capeesh?!

as I see things the root problem humanity faces AND a problem few actually think about is not being able to differentiate a "want" from a "need"

truth is from ancient times there have been not so subtle hints that "wants" are evil and deadly,... for example consider the story of king Midas (who wanted everything he touched, turn to gold)

another example is the New Testament story of the rich man asking Jesus what he needed to do to gain entry to heaven

another example of "wants" are evil and deadly, is the tolstoy story how much land does a man need

AND yet another another example of "wants" are evil and deadly (but actually turned into a false religious belief is "the prosperity gospel"

actually should point out not being able to differentiate a "want" from a "need" even applies to BLM,... in other words,... “buy large mansions” which is a greedy self serving misguided cluster fuck that is political in nature

bottom line as I see things,... humanity is slowly but surely killing itself on spaceship earth because of consumerism AND greed,... in other words people in general cannot differentiate a "want" from a "need"


There’s a general awareness today that China and its massive industrial sector generate more carbon emissions than any other country, which is one of the reasons that parts of the nation have to endure some serious issues with smog and airborne pollutants.

But according to a new study, if you want to know what’s really driving the impact on the planet, you need to look past the obvious primary factors taking a toll on the environment – like industry and agriculture – and instead realise whose needs those things are servicing.

From that perspective, researchers say household consumers are by far the biggest drain on the planet, which makes for a very different picture to purely nation-focused analyses of environmental impact. In other words, before we start blaming whole countries for the state of the planet, we should probably be looking at our own habits and demands.

PS FWIW given this is a real estate forum, if humanity is going to dodge extinction, this is how I think real estate "rental" housing is going to evolve in an era of diminished natural resources

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 3, 2022 - 12:23pm.

on the other hand, life probably sucked thousands of years ago too. But at least they left the planet inhabitable for us.

Submitted by phaster on June 12, 2022 - 3:38pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
on the other hand, life probably sucked thousands of years ago too . But at least they left the planet inhabitable for us.

thousands of years ago the bronze age collapse happened

in South Western part of the USA and in Central America (about a thousand years ago) there were periods of severe drought that caused organized societies to collapse

thought I'd point out these historical events because there is an expression,... "Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It"

FWIW WRT drought

basically the topic of climate-change AND drought has been on the radar screen of military strategists for a while (but because politicians and the public at large have essentially no backbone, the issue has not been addressed so that is why we are where we are)

said another way the drought issue isn't going to magically fix itself AND from what I know have to say the drought (in the next decade) is going to make covid look like a walk in the park (given current trends)!

I mention my pessimism because one of my failed venture capital investments was in "waterfx" which was a group that tried to raise 10 million to build a pilot concentrated solar still on an industrial scale

sadly I pitched in but there wasn't enough interest in the market place so had my money returned to me

as I envisioned things, concentrated solar desal could be installed in local urban areas like existing salt evaporation ponds (like in san diego south bay or up in the bay area which could be a win win situation) other words if an up front investment was made in scaleable concentrated solar stills (years ago), over the long run production for "salt" would increase and provide a useful by-product "fresh water" that could be used locally

PS here is yet another example of political leadership in CA having their head where the sun don't shine,...

CNBC wrote:

Lithium industry executives say California officials are asking for a fixed payment of $800 to $1,200 for every ton of metal produced at the southern end of the Salton Sea, and argue that such a high tax would wipe out production before it starts.

“The state is talking about a flat-rate taxarray . . . with a ridiculous figure that wipes out the lithium industry in the United States,” said Rod Colwell, CEO of CT Resources, one of three corporations running the best pilot and scale systems. giant lithium mining projects from a giant underground reserve.

He said the proposed constant tonnage rates “make Chinese lithium much less expensive to import” than domestic compounds that would be produced in imperial county.

Submitted by phaster on June 28, 2022 - 6:05pm.

barnaby33 wrote:

Back to water. My preference would be a combination of restrictions on usage, raising of prices and outright banning of growing certain crops. Almonds for export are the poster child, but in CA rice and cotton should never be grown either. Market forces by themselves will not stabilize or assure food availability or the survival of civilization in a desert.


the unsustainable drought poster crop in California and the rest of the arid SW USA IMHO is alfalfa,... and the reason is because it is grown AND exported as feed for live stock in china

AND saudia arabia

...basically the reason the farmers in California (and other parts of the USA) are growing alfalfa is because people in other parts of the world want to to consume more animal protein

...AND FWIW data seems to indicate because of the Putin "Military Action" in Ukraine along w/ excess global debt that appears to be unserviceable odds are there is going to be a global famine (on a biblical scale)



Everyone gets less water during a drought. But the breakdowns of the state and federal projects’ water allocations show some groups — particularly farmers who have longtime rights to divert water — faring better than others.

They also reflect the overwhelming thirst of Southern California towns and cities — some of the most arid, and populous, parts of the state. The Chronicle analyzed this year’s expected water allocations from the California State Water Project and the federal Central Valley Project, and how they break down and compare to previous years.

Here are some of the biggest takeaways of who got more from where:

State Water Project

The State Water Project, which includes the 444-mile long California Aqueduct and the Oroville Dam, supplies water to some 27 million Californians and 750,000 acres of farmland, according to the state water department, its operator. It also generates power and provides for recreational areas in the state.

The project has 29 long-term contractors — smaller, regional water providers, including cities, towns and irrigation districts, that sell the water to customers. For the past two decades, about a third of State Water Project water was for agricultural use and two-thirds for municipal, industrial or residential uses, state officials said. For the second year in a row, the State Water Project is expected to deliver only 5% of the amount requested from contractors. The last time allocation was that low was in 2014 — the third year in that drought spell. “We’re not going to expect much additional precipitation on the horizon,” said Molly White, the project’s water operations manager. The 2022 cuts were deep across the board among the 29 contractors, but some cuts were less harsh than others. Most were approved for just 5% of their requested amounts, but the state awarded larger percentages to communities with critical health and safety needs. “Folks at the Department of Water Resources have been very clear that they’re not going to reduce allocation to 5% if that supplier’s going to have to turn off water to residences,” White said.

Napa and Solano counties’ water districts were approved for 15% of their requested amounts, compared with the 5% contractors in the Central Valley and Southern California received. But these Bay Area communities requested far smaller amounts to begin with. The allocation amounts are based on a variety of factors, including river flows, water storage conditions, environmental requirements and how much rain and snow there has been, the water operations manager said. In terms of the total amount of water, Southern California water agencies still take the bulk — nearly half — of State Water Project water, with the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California expected to get the most, at almost 96,000 acre-feet. The Metropolitan Water District is a public regional wholesaler cooperative supplying water to roughly 19 million people in California through its numerous member agencies. This year, for the first time, it required significant cutbacks from its users, who must limit lawn-watering to one day a week. Small water suppliers, especially those who rely entirely on one source and don’t have alternatives to fall back on, tend to be much more vulnerable to water shortage, according to the water department. Most water suppliers don’t rely solely on one source of water, however. Many, like the East Bay Municipal Utility District, have several sources, including access to reservoirs, groundwater pumping and purchasing water from other providers. Annually, the State Water Project delivers 2 million to 4 million acre-feet of water. An acre-foot — about 326,000 gallons — generally provides enough water for one to two households for a year. By comparison, the Colorado River — another huge water source for the state, especially farmers in Southern California — is supposed to deliver 4.4 million acre-feet annually to California, though cutbacks are on the horizon due to the drought. Central Valley Project

California’s Central Valley Project, run by the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, is much bigger than the State Water Project and is geared more toward agriculture. It counts more than 270 contractors, including the big irrigation districts in the San Joaquin Valley. It has historically supplied water for 3 million acres of farmland. The federal waterworks also serves communities in the Bay Area and wildlife refuges.

The project, which captures water from the southern Cascades to the southern Sierra Nevada, consists of 20 dams and reservoirs - including the state’s largest, Shasta Lake — and operates more than 500 miles of canals and pipelines to deliver water. It also operates 11 power plants. This year, because of the drought, federal water managers announced that no project water would be sent to many of its contractors, effectively a 0% allocation. Those who receive water are doing so because of contractual obligations that date back decades or because of health and safety issues. Faring best are senior water rights holders, typically farmers and irrigation districts.

This is not because the project allocates water based on water rights but because the federal government, in order to operate its project, committed to providing water to senior users who were drawing water from the Sacramento and San Joaquin river watersheds before the project began drawing water. Senior users are those with water rights dating back the longest. But even those users are falling far short of what they normally get: This year, because of low flows, federal water managers made a deal with senior users in the Sacramento River watershed to take less than what they’re due — just 18% of what they requested.

While the project’s municipal and industrial contractors were officially allocated no water, the federal government is providing these customers enough to meet minimum health and safety needs. The Contra Costa Water District in the East Bay, for example, is getting 34% of its requested allocation. Agricultural contractors who don’t have senior water rights in the Sacramento and San Joaquin river watersheds are not getting any project water. In the Friant (Fresno County) area, some contractors are receiving limited deliveries because the source of water there is different than in the rest of the project area, and federal managers say water is available. The Central Valley Project has historically delivered about 7 million acre feet of water annually. By comparison, the Colorado River is supposed to deliver 4.4 million acre-feet annually to California, though cutbacks are on the horizon due to the drought.

Submitted by evolusd on July 27, 2022 - 4:01pm.

Given the drop in water level at Lake Mead, started reading a bit and came across this:

Wondering if it might be smart to buy some land in one of those blue areas with groundwater well potential to promote water security for my family if the current trend in So Cal continues to accelerate. The northwest has always been interesting to me as a mountain biker and lover of forests.

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