McBama: The Long-Awaited Unveiling of The Official Establishment Tool

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Submitted by partypup on July 16, 2008 - 11:58pm

Okay, if these weren't such dire and desperate times, Obama's recent posturing would be downright comical. He is literally flipping positions more often and with more ease than a FL condo speculator circa 2004.

Is anyone else paying attention to the egregious number of U-turns he has done only TWO MONTHS after cinching the nomination? Whenever I see his smug mug on TV now, chin tilted up like a faux Roman emperor, I just imagine him saying: "You're stuck with me now. What're you going to do? Vote for McCain? F*** off."

A list of McBama's most flagrant Flips (in the past 3 weeks):

1. After vowing to eschew private fundraising and take public financing, he has now refused public money.
2. Once he threatened to filibuster a bill to protect telephone companies from liability for their cooperation with national security wiretaps; now he has voted for the legislation.
3. Turning his back on a lifetime of support for gun control, he now recognizes a Second Amendment right to bear arms in the wake of the Supreme Court decision.
4. Formerly, he told the Israeli lobby that he favored an undivided Jerusalem. Now he says he didn’t mean it.
5. From a 100 percent pro-choice position, he now has migrated to expressing doubts about allowing partial-birth abortions.
6. For the first time, he now speaks highly of using church-based institutions to deliver public services to the poor.
7. Having based his entire campaign on withdrawal from Iraq, he now pledges to consult with the military first.
8. During the primary, he backed merit pay for teachers — but before the union a few weeks ago, he opposed it.
9. After specifically saying in the primaries that he disagreed with Sen. Hillary Clinton’s proposal to impose Social Security taxes on income over $200,000 and wanted to tax all income, he has now adopted the Clinton position.

And watch for this, boys and girls: When gas hits $6/gallon, McBama will flip *surprise!* and support off-shore drilling. Voters wanted "change", right? And he plans to give it to them on a REGULAR basis -- by "changing" his mind every few days.

And as if that's not enough, I wake up this morning and hear that McBama now wants to take the "war on terrorism" to Pakistan??

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

Hello? As if our foreign policy isn't jacked up enough? Let's see...we have a lameduck president who is threatening a country that MAY have a nuke; but now this bonehead wants to go after a country that DEFINITELY has nukes.

This is "change"??

And no, I don't buy the lame arguments about "shrewdly playing to the middle". His isn't playing to the middle, the right, or any side. He is playing to sheer insanity -- appealing only to the NeoCons who still run this joint and the 5,000 or so crackpots in red states who actually think it's "fun" to go to war. Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and possibly Iran -- for crying out loud, not even hardcore Republicans are looking for a 4-front war!! There is no consensus to be had here. This is not a move that BROADENS political appeal -- just like retroactive immunity to telecoms for warrantless wiretapping doesn't play to any voter bloc: "You know, I was on the fence about Obama, but now that I know he'll sell our civil liberties down the river to protect the major phone companies in the war on terror, he's got my vote!!"

We need to face facts: McBama is now officially a part of the military industrial complex.

"No, I most certainly would NOT have attacked Iraq after 9/11! ...But yes, (a) I will continue to give Bush as much money as he needs to continue that pointless war; (b) I will take military action against Iran, if necessary, to make sure they don't threaten Israel; and (c) I will take the fight to Pakistan to search for terrorists -- who, incidentally, all have mailing addresses in Iraq."

Even the dim-witted Dems who support him -- Richardson, Edwards, Biden -- all think this is ludicrous.

And word on the Beltway is that McBama's arrogance is even starting to piss off those in his own party.

"Privately, however, there is a different message coming from some Democratic quarters on the Hill and on K Street. Some Democratic leadership staffers complain that, having defeated the vaunted Clinton political machine in the primaries, the Obama campaign now feels a “sense of entitlement” that leads to “arrogance.”

One Democratic aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity, compared the Obama campaign unfavorably to President Bush’s administration. *GASP! SURPRISE!*

“At least Bush waited until he was in the White House before they started ignoring everybody,” the aide said."

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?u...

If I were a McBama supporter, I'd get a refund on my donation(s).

Black people foolishly think his nomination and election will be a proud day for our race. Well, it won't be the first time the we were taken in and fooled by one of our own, simply because of their skin color.

Can you say "O.J."?

Alas...Jesse Jackson was right. This man is not to be trusted. And he will take us straight to hell, with a flash of his pearly white teeth and a folksy grin.

Hope you enjoy the ride!

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on July 18, 2008 - 12:05pm.

Bugs:

When you're right, you're right.

Speaking of LALO (low altitude/low opening) jumps: I went out the back of a C-123 at 400 feet with no reserve (at that height, if your main fails you're screwed anyway) and it does get the blood going. In a good way.

asianautica: You're right on the money also.

Which is why I will sign off along with Bugs.

Pompous Ass #1

Submitted by Bugs on July 18, 2008 - 12:06pm.

Okay (shrugs)

You could always change the subject and go back to the topic of the thread. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like to exchange a civil conversation with you on-topic. I know I would.

Submitted by NotCranky on July 18, 2008 - 12:13pm.

justme: Not everyone who points out legitimate criticisms of Barack is a tool for Karl Rove. Save that nonsense for your moveon.org fellow travelers.

I agree with Allan.I am glad you said so Allan. I think that voting Republican or Democrat preserves the illusion of democracy. People call not participating apathetic. I call Obama an average politician.
I am not sure I agree with comparing him to OJ? Especially not by someone who claims they are not worried about his skin pigmentation.I guess they will both end up with blood on their hands but so do the white imperialists and their constituents. Nobody compares Bush to OJ?

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 12:16pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
Bugs:

When you're right, you're right.

Speaking of LALO (low altitude/low opening) jumps: I went out the back of a C-123 at 400 feet with no reserve (at that height, if your main fails you're screwed anyway) and it does get the blood going. In a good way.

asianautica: You're right on the money also.

Which is why I will sign off along with Bugs.

Pompous Ass #1

You're right on both counts. You're a pompous ass, and you need to sign off along with Bugs.

Thank You.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on July 18, 2008 - 12:19pm.

Rus: I think OJ was far superior to Bush as a running back. His '72 season was amazing. I don't know what Bush's running totals were, or his yards per carry, but I would bet OJ waxed his ass, hands down.

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 12:19pm.

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I am not sure I agree with comparing him to OJ?

This statement rubbed me the wrong way as well.

Partypup, rubs me the wrong way. I sense "sell-out".

Submitted by NotCranky on July 18, 2008 - 12:23pm.

Allan, Bush fumbled every single carry he ever made.Just ask Nancy Pelosi.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on July 18, 2008 - 12:24pm.

marion: Well, given that this has become your thread, I guess I should just pack up and go home.

As far as the continued insults go: marion, I would cheerfully turn you into a stain on the wall and would do it without expending any undue effort. But, really, what's the point?

You want to throw down with me? Have at it. It's your MO: Ignore the larger debate, make it about you and how things "rub you the wrong way" and ignore everyone else's feelings, opinions or beliefs.

Somehow that makes the rest of us intolerant, bigoted racists, right?

That would an interesting explanation from your end. Very enlightening, indeed.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on July 18, 2008 - 12:26pm.

Rus: You can tell the boy has no hands. Or ball speed, either.

Must be all that blow he did. Probably helped with taking the hits, though.

Speaking of coked up running backs: Do you remember a running back for the Chargers named Chuck Muncie? Back in the '70s heyday with Fouts, Joiner, Winslow and those guys? Man, that guy did some serious toot. Where's TG or SD Realtor? They'll remember him.

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 12:32pm.

It's not my thread, Allan. It looks to me you've made it yours. Yes, Allan, make me a "stain on the wall" with your superior intellect about the military and intelligence. One thing though, shouldn't you have verifiable sources?

Your holier-than-thou, know-it-all stance is getting old.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on July 18, 2008 - 12:35pm.

marion: "Verifiable sources"? For what, pray tell? Again, specificity counts.

As to firing off at you: partypup reduced you to ashes and did so with tremendous ease and a good deal of flair and yet you are cavorting around as though somehow you bested her in that series of exchanges. Hence my question: What would be the point? Similar to teaching a pig to sing: Pig don't get it, so why waste your time.

I'm with Bugs. Let's return to the topic at hand and treat the topic properly.

EDIT: "Holier than thou"? Ha! You seem to have cornered the market on that front. Your self righteousness knows no bounds and yet you accuse me of being holier than thou? Wow.

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 12:39pm.

Ashes? Well, I wouldn't exactly say ashes. I believe I've stated many times that I'm not up on politics as I should be. It really isn't somethign that's held much interest for me in the past. You're not confusing knowledge with intellect are you? I thought you were smarter than that?

C'Mon, Allan. Tell me you can do better than this.

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 12:45pm.

You're full of crap, Allen. What is this really about?

LMAO. Partypup is more knowlegeable about politics. That makes her smarter. Yeah. Ok.

LMAO.

C'Mon Allan. You can do better, can't you?

You can make me a "stain on the wall"? LMAO. Try it. I'll point out your whole psychological make-up, your faults, insecurities, fears.

Ready?

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on July 18, 2008 - 12:48pm.

Verifiable sources for what? Answer the question, please.

You're not as up on politics as you should be, yet you are fighting tooth and claw over that very topic. Arguing strenuously why we should all be voting for Obama and lashing out at any perceived criticisms when we offer reasons not to, and yet you're going to take refuge in your supposed ignorance on politics.

You're trying to have it both ways. You're telling me that my self righteous stance is getting old, but what about yours?

Confusing knowledge with intellect? How does one do that? Seriously. I don't get that particular nugget, so maybe I'm not as smart as I think I am, no?

This debate, which was a good one, has been derailed by utter nonsense. We've somehow run off the intelligent posters like Bugs, and partypup and arraya and Rustico and are now treated to scatological humor, bestiality and masturbatory references (both literal and figurative) instead of an intelligent, reasoned debate.

Enough of this s**t (literally and figuratively). Get back to the topic. Please.

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 12:58pm.

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Confusing knowledge with intellect? How does one do that? Seriously. I don't get that particular nugget, so maybe I'm not as smart as I think I am, no?

You don't? Do I have to explain? I consider it self-explanatory.

Allan...What's the real problem here? LMAO. We both know what it is, don't we, green eyes?

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 1:07pm.

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You're not as up on politics as you should be, yet you are fighting tooth and claw over that very topic. Arguing strenuously why we should all be voting for Obama and lashing out at any perceived criticisms when we offer reasons not to, and yet you're going to take refuge in your supposed ignorance on politics.

I wouldn't say I'm taking "refuge" in it. I'm pointing out a fact. I'm not as up on Politics as partypup, I'm not as knowlegeable about the inner workings of the government and the military as you "supposedly" are. So, I do what I can.

Vote for McCain and be happy, or vote for a 3rd party and be happy. I've never really given it as much thought as I should have. I always thought I'd be a life-long democrat.

Now, exactly how did partypup reduce me to ashes? I'd say she opened my eyes a bit to a different possible reality, that I don't think can hurt to investigate. Right?

Now, I'll lay off the "other" comments. I'm above attacking like that, just jking with you a bit. You bring all this "info" to the board about past military operations, invasions, inner workings of the military, etc.

Where's the sources? Are we just supposed to blindly believe it because YOU say so.

Substantiate your claims, or maybe you shouldn't make them.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on July 18, 2008 - 1:06pm.

marion: Can we get any further afield here, really? How about that topic? Any interest in that, or are we just going to continue along the lines of keeping this personal?

This is the problem, marion: You are failing to see anything beyond how it applies to you personally, or your perception of reality. If things conform to what you believe, all is fine and dandy; if not, well, then, that's where the problem starts.

Partypup had the temerity to disagree with you, and then make her points in a reasoned fashion. For this crime, she had her race, gender and sexual satisfaction questioned.

For my crimes, I am threatened with you exposing all of my fears and insecurities. Well, cupcake, I am a product of a Germanic upbringing by an overbearing former Marine DI. I spent twelve years in Jesuit Catholic school, including eight years in a seminary school. I played football for 11 years and spent five years in the Army, including three years in a combat zone. I would imagine you can find all sorts of really interesting stuff in there, right? Dig away, Sunshine, and enjoy.

Also, notice I didn't mention my mother. That's very telling, too, right?

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 1:14pm.

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For my crimes, I am threatened with you exposing all of my fears and insecurities. Well, cupcake, I am a product of a Germanic upbringing by an overbearing former Marine DI. I spent twelve years in Jesuit Catholic school, including eight years in a seminary school. I played football for 11 years and spent five years in the Army, including three years in a combat zone. I would imagine you can find all sorts of really interesting stuff in there, right? Dig away, Sunshine, and enjoy.

Cupcake? Sunshine? Terms of endearment?

Ok, you're tough as nails. Rule the roost with an iron fist! Wow! There's a way to deal with men like you, Allan. God help the women who don't know how to.

What's the matter, Allan?

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 1:21pm.

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Partypup had the temerity to disagree with you, and then make her points in a reasoned fashion. For this crime, she had her race, gender and sexual satisfaction questioned.

You don't like your authority questioned. Do you, Allan? Partypup is right along with your line of thinking on this topic. There's something about partypup that doesn't sit right with me. I think she's a "sell-out". That may be harsh, but that's my opinion. My assessment of her stands, her posts were a bit emotional, shall I say. However, I have and do acknowledge some worthwhile points within the tirade.

Submitted by surveyor on July 18, 2008 - 1:23pm.

here we go again....

Hey, Marion:

Allan and I hashed it out with Obama supporters in a previous thread. It was certainly our hope that the Obama supporters actually try to debate the issues, use logic, history and facts in order to justify supporting Obama. They didn't do a good job in that thread and neither are you in this thread.

You have already acknowledged your lack of knowledge in the issues, your disinterest in history, and clearly by your posts your inability to use logic. Unfortunately, your only response to any of this is the use of sexual innuendo, race politics, name-calling, and questionable psycho-babble.

While I realize that facts, logic and history will only get in the way of your dogma, if you think you're going to win this argument, you're more uneducated than I thought.

Try responding and arguing the issues and maybe you'll learn something. You know what they say, open mouth, closed mind.

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 1:26pm.

Oh, I'm still waiting for you to reduce me to a "stain on the wall". What are you going to do? Throw a grenade at me? Because you certainly won't be doing it with your brain. Wait, I know, you can use the latin!

Surveyor, I'll try. :)

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on July 18, 2008 - 1:28pm.

surveyor: I gotta hand it to you, you're just like the Cavalry in those old western movies: Riding over the hill in the nick of time.

I've been trying to horse this discussion back on point for a while without any success whatsoever. Perhaps you'll have more luck.

You know, failure so upsets my iron handed, intolerant, chauvinistic world view...

Of course, being a conservative that is to be expected.

Submitted by surveyor on July 18, 2008 - 1:33pm.

haha

Hey, Allan, maybe this time we can bring this thread to 16 pages...

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on July 18, 2008 - 1:39pm.

surveyor: Actually, I was thinking we could render this entire "Obama versus McCain" issue completely moot. Let's burn down the Reichstag and suspend voting completely.

I'll name you Chancellor and we can burn all the books and then invade Poland.

That's more fun than dealing with all this pesky dialogue and debate nonsense.

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 1:41pm.

Ok, surveyor. Ok. {trying to stop giggling].

I will TRY to respond to the ISSUES and the sell-out comments about Obama with logic and reason as best I can.

I believe I have. even acknowledging partypup's worthy points while responding to her last post. Look at it, Surveyor, tell me what needs improvement?

As far as my "psycho-babble". Well, that's not determinable until, unless I really get into it. I haven't. Good luck with that.

Alright, I've stopped laughing. Tell me.

Submitted by PCinSD on July 18, 2008 - 1:46pm.

marion wrote:
pabloesqobar wrote:
Simply amazing. This coming from her royal highness, the nattering nitwit of negativism. One word describes Marion: Toxic.

Pabloesqobar, there is a reason why you are so bitter. You owe it to yourself to explore that with a professional.

Slow day at the office, so I'll bite again. Marion: Upon what do you base your assertion that I am bitter? As for a professional, I've never been to one but I'm sure I'd get a kick out of it.

Also, I knew my bastardized version of Agnew's quote would fly right over your head. I couldn't see myself referring to you as a "nabob".

You clearly enjoy being villified. It makes you feel important. I'm guessing negative attention is the only attention you receive. Your husband learned this a little too late but eventually had the courage to leave you. Your own family can't stand you. If you think your behavior is the same behavior that your children should model, then you have failed as a parent. You have lost all sense of dignity and are too ignorant to realize that you are a fool.

You think all you need to do is show your bony chicken leg and everything will be fine. It won't. For you, it never will. You are too bitter, too ignorant and too friggin' old. In short, you have failed at this thing called "life".

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 1:51pm.

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You think all you need to do is show your bony chicken leg and everything will be fine. It won't. For you, it never will. You are too bitter, too ignorant and too friggin' old. In short, you have failed at this thing called "life".

[giggling] This is comedy central today. Pablo. Dude! Isn't that bit harsh. Failed at life? Too old? Babe, I look younger than your daughter, and at 43 have two degrees. So, failed at life? Don't think so?

Geez man! If this isn't bitter, what IS??

LMAO.

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 2:02pm.

Wait, this is too much! My leg Bony? LOL. Um, you would be in the minority with that opinion, dude. You have GOT to know that. You are really, really angry and bitter. I'm sorry, you are. Pablo, do you even like women?..

Poor, Pablo.

Pablo meet Nostradamus. Nostradamus meet Pablo.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on July 18, 2008 - 2:02pm.

pablo: Congrats. You've just joined the long line of kamikaze pilots attempting to sink the USS Mendacity (aka marion).

You are expending ammunition in a battle you cannot win. As they told us in the Army: NEVER REINFORCE FAILURE.

You're simply playing to her strengths with your response.

Submitted by marion on July 18, 2008 - 2:10pm.

Allan, move on! Go home, make somebody happy.

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