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Submitted by zk on November 9, 2016 - 7:53am

President Donald Trump.

Jesus.

You idiots have gone and done it.

Dear trump voter,

You've been bamboozled. Tricked.

You're a chump. A fool.

You think he's going to build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it? You're a credulous buffoon.

You think he's going to "fix" Washington? "Drain the swamp?" You've been hoodwinked.

You think he's going to be able to deal effectively with foreign leaders? Especially ones that criticize him? You're a fool.

You think he's going to bring jobs back to America? You're deluded.

You think he's going to lead with any kind of common sense, even after all the things he's said and done? You're blind.

You think his threats to not pay our debts will have no effect? Think again.

You think his desire to throttle free speech when it insults him is a good thing? You'd probably "vote" for Mussolini.

You think his isolationist ideas will be good for America? Even if that did turn out to be true (highly doubtful), you're a selfish bastard.

You think his rhetoric on women and minorities and foreigners won't continue to have a corrosive effect on our society? You're deplorable.

You think he'll take any responsibility for his actions and mistakes when he hasn't done anything of the sort ever? You’re a credulous bumpkin.

You don't care that he didn't know Russia invaded Ukraine and didn't know what the nuclear triad is? You're ignorant.

He’s shown you virtually no detailed policy proposals, yet you think whatever he comes up with will be good for you? Jesus, that’s pathetic.

You think he's a good businessman? You're easily tricked. He started with millions of dollars and then cheated, lied, stole, declared bankruptcy, and still didn't make more than an index fund would've.

You don't care that he didn't release his tax returns? You are, pathetically, a pigeon in the thrall of a Barnum.

You don't care that he didn't pay hard-working people he had promised to pay? And you still think he's for the "little guy?" You're a patsy.

You're glad to have a president who thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax? Your children and your grandchildren and your great-grandchildren will pay for that.

You don’t care about all the misogynistic, xenophobic comments that he made? You’ve chosen a disastrous role model for your children and grandchildren and the results of that are your fault.

You think it's a good thing that he wants the military to follow orders from him even if they're illegal? You live in a fantasy world.

You think it’s ok to threaten to not honor our NATO obligations? You have made the world a more dangerous place.

You put in office a “man” who wants more countries to have nuclear weapons? You’ve added even more danger.

You gave the nuclear codes to a man who responds to every insult with an attack? My god, what the fuck is wrong with you?

You put in office a man who wants to kill the families of terrorists? You're a sorry excuse for a human being.

You think he cares about you or about this country or about anything but his fucked-up, orange self? You're a joke.

You're glad that idiots like you have been given a voice? You're about to find out just how much of an idiot you are and that you should have just shut the fuck up.

Submitted by harvey on August 19, 2017 - 2:11pm.

"Pride" in many contexts really means not ashamed.

Gay pride, black pride, etc. means that a person is not ashamed of being gay or black and that they won't let others shame them for something that is not shameful.

There's nothing shameful about being from the south. But the Confederate flag is a symbol of The Confederacy - the violent attempt to form a new government specifically to protect the institution of slavery under law.

That's as shameful as it gets.

(Technically the "stars and bars" isn't the Confederate flag - it was the flag of a military unit that fought for the confederacy, but that's beside the point...it was adopted by Confederate apologists and white supremacists after the war mainly because it looked better than the official Confederate flag.)

Anyone that believes the stars and bars are an innocent symbol of "the south" without implying anything more is oblivious to one of the most significant events in US history. I can respect well-intentioned simple folks, but that level of ignorance is hard to excuse.

Submitted by svelte on August 19, 2017 - 4:02pm.

harvey wrote:

Anyone that believes the stars and bars are an innocent symbol of "the south" without implying anything more is oblivious to one of the most significant events in US history. I can respect well-intentioned simple folks, but that level of ignorance is hard to excuse.

Harv, folks can't be an expert on everything - just too much stuff out there to know. They didn't live in the south, so they really don't care much about the history of the south.

If you care and study it, more power to ya. My folks have better things to do with their life than study the Civil War - things that have much more direct impact on their day to day life. I'm pretty sure there are other topics where they can run laps around you.

Your lack of understanding and ability to see other perspectives is pretty hard to excuse. I noticed that in some of your other posts as well.

Submitted by harvey on August 19, 2017 - 8:39pm.

svelte wrote:
Harv, folks can't be an expert on everything - just too much stuff out there to know.

Lol, if you asked any high school history teacher what are the five most important things to know about American history were, the Civil War would be at least two of those items. It was our most costly war and still has a huge influence on our country today. It is the very reason we are having this conversation.

Quote:
Your lack of understanding and ability to see other perspectives is pretty hard to excuse. I noticed that in some of your other posts as well.

I completely understand and see the other perspective. But I don't view indifference toward white supremacy and other movements based on hate as simply another point of view, I view it as morally wrong. I don't need an excuse from you in order to have ethical standards.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 20, 2017 - 11:22am.

Anyone knows that Confederate symbols aren't about "southern pride" but about segregation. They were erected at the time to tell Blacks: "we don't care that we lost the Civil War, we have segregation now and segregation forever." Maybe the "southern pride" is being superior in an apartheid society.

Also, the Civil War wasn't about states rights. One of the reasons for the war is that northern states refused to recognize slavery within their own borders so slaves were fleeing north. Plus rich southerners wanted to take their slaves with them on trips to Broadway.

But still, I'm OK with southern towns keeping their monuments. They do so at their own economic perils. They need to balance risks and rewards. Let the free market work its magic.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 20, 2017 - 12:50pm.

69% of Republicans believe that Trump said the right things in regard to Charlottesville,

This is the Vice News video if you haven't seen it yet.
https://youtu.be/P54sP0Nlngg

Submitted by svelte on September 1, 2017 - 4:00pm.

harvey wrote:

Lol, if you asked any high school history teacher...

I don't give a flying eff what a high school history teacher thinks.

harvey wrote:
I don't need an excuse from you in order to have ethical standards.

Cool. You pointed out what you thought of my folks. I just pointed out what I think of you. Turnabout's fair play.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 5, 2017 - 9:18am.

Ending DACA is the worse of Trump's actions so far. A bad for human beings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/rig...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 17, 2017 - 9:22am.

We witnessing the decline of western civilization with the rise of spurious nationalism. Russia, the UK, the USA, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Czech Republic. Sad!

I never liked John McCain but he said it well:

To fear the world we have organized and led for three-quarters of a century, to abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain “the last best hope of Earth” for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history.

We live in a land made of ideals, not blood and soil. We are the custodians of those ideals at home, and their champion abroad. We have done great good in the world. That leadership has had its costs, but we have become incomparably powerful and wealthy as we did. We have a moral obligation to continue in our just cause, and we would bring more than shame on ourselves if we don’t. We will not thrive in a world where our leadership and ideals are absent. We wouldn’t deserve to.

Submitted by zk on October 17, 2017 - 10:17pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
John McCain...said it well

In the not-too-distant future, people will look back at the horror that was the trump presidency and wonder who all these cowards were in congress who weren't saying what McCain said. Who knew exactly what was happening but who were too craven to stand up to it. God, I hope they get what's coming to them.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 8, 2017 - 10:17am.

In hindsight, Trump may have been a blessing.
Trump unmasked the deplorables in our population so now we have proof positive who we’re dealing with.

Trump has also shown us the stark contrasts between urban and rural America. People can observe for themselves and choose their future.

Sad for Hillary though. Women, however, seem more motivated and less likely to stand on the shadows of their husbands.

Considering the latest elections in Virginia, it feels pretty good to be on the right side of history. We shall see....

I kinda want Roy Moore to get elected to the senate so we can clearly see what the right wing is all about. It would be nice for a Democrat to win but Roy Moore will unmask more deplorables.

Submitted by cvmom on November 8, 2017 - 10:25am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
In hindsight, Trump may have been a blessing.

I have thought this too a bit, but only if we avoid nuclear war or other major irreparable consequences. His win (hopefully) jolted the Democratic party out of its complacency. Hopefully the Democratic wins last night do not cause those folks to relax too much.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Sad for Hillary though.

I voted for her, but she really made some bad decisions and in some ways did not deserve to win. Her candidacy did nearly as much for women as a win would have.

Submitted by spdrun on November 8, 2017 - 11:00am.

I suspect that more suburban/urban women voted for Trump than you'd think. Why? Because he promised to keep their children safe from terrorism and crime -- playing on parenting instincts is brilliant psychology.

Submitted by andymajumder on November 8, 2017 - 12:39pm.

Pretty interesting article

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...

says a lot about the core Trump supporters, but they are sticking with him and looks like no matter what they will.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 8, 2017 - 1:16pm.

spdrun wrote:
I suspect that more suburban/urban women voted for Trump than you'd think. Why? Because he promised to keep their children safe from terrorism and crime -- playing on parenting instincts is brilliant psychology.

I agree but that was last year. Things have changed a bit since then.

I would love for women to chime in on this topic. I think women are ambivalent about what they want. Full equality and responsibility or “protection” by men. With technology, I believe women can be anything they want. In fact they can have more power than men, if they leverage their assets in a deliberate, methodical fashion.

But you have the conservatives. I listen to religious radio sometimes and they believe men and women have jobs assigned by God.

I think right now women are upset about the glass ceiling and sexual harassment. Trump represents the good old boys’ club and the nasty, fat, rich, entitled old men. What woman would want to by f—‘d by that?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 8, 2017 - 10:51pm.

What a timely article on women.

spdrun, academics will study this topic more in the years to come, but I believe the women who voted for Trump in 2016 did so more out of anxiety over the status of their husbands/providers rather than fear of terrorism.

The women who are politically active this year are different. They are educated, independent minded.

‘They got mad and they got active’: Women won across the country Tuesday
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...

Submitted by zk on March 24, 2018 - 3:37pm.

Thursday, March 22, 2018.

That could go down as another really bad day for humans.

Naming John Bolton as national security adviser could end up the worst of many horrible decisions our conman loser jackass president has made or will make.

The adults have left the building, and we're left with a bunch of foolish, belligerent, bad-tempered, improvident, impulsive, chest-thumping buffoons running the country.

We'd be better off with monkeys swinging from chandeliers, randomly pushing buttons, and screeching gibberish into phones.

Submitted by zk on December 21, 2018 - 12:17am.

I think we're approaching the screeching monkey phase.

And still most of the people who voted for trump don't get it.

Imbeciles.

Submitted by gromit on December 21, 2018 - 1:52pm.

zk wrote:
I think we're approaching the screeching monkey phase.

And still most of the people who voted for trump don't get it.

Imbeciles.

After the news about Mattis's resignation came out yesterday, I checked foxnews online just to see what they were saying about it. It wasn't even a top story - I had to search to find it on their front page. And of course all it said was that Mattis was going to resign (as though it was an ordinary transition in due course), and the article quoted TRUMP'S TWEETS, not Mattis's resignation letter!!!!

No wonder MAGA-folk are such unrelenting Trump supporters, they aren't even getting the news. I guess I knew this on some level, but I never look at foxnews, so this was a depressing/ alarming realization - the extent to which they're being kept ignorant.

Submitted by zk on December 21, 2018 - 9:38pm.

gromit wrote:
zk wrote:
I think we're approaching the screeching monkey phase.

And still most of the people who voted for trump don't get it.

Imbeciles.

After the news about Mattis's resignation came out yesterday, I checked foxnews online just to see what they were saying about it. It wasn't even a top story - I had to search to find it on their front page. And of course all it said was that Mattis was going to resign (as though it was an ordinary transition in due course), and the article quoted TRUMP'S TWEETS, not Mattis's resignation letter!!!!

No wonder MAGA-folk are such unrelenting Trump supporters, they aren't even getting the news. I guess I knew this on some level, but I never look at foxnews, so this was a depressing/ alarming realization - the extent to which they're being kept ignorant.

I looked at fox, and of course I saw the exact same thing. I would have been shocked if I had seen anything else.

As I've been saying for years, right-wing media are destroying our country in almost exactly the manner you describe. Where I would differ is that I think it's worse than them being kept ignorant; they're being disinformed. They're constantly being fed disinformation by fox and infowars and the rest of the right-wing propaganda machine. This disinformation includes false information about liberals and their positions and their ideas and their priorities. It includes false information about conservatives and their priorities and their policies and the effects of their policies.

They've created an alternate universe where trump is a stable genius, democrats want as many undocumented immigrants in the country as possible, tax cuts for the rich will benefit the poor, republican men are manly and strong while liberals are all pansies, and a thousand other "alternative facts" are "true."

They fall for it all. Goebbels would be very impressed.

Submitted by NeetaT on December 21, 2018 - 9:47pm.

Oh no! I must be a deplorable. I voted for Trump! I will vote for him again unless there is a better republican on the ballot. My concern is not with what Trump is doing it's what Gavin Newsom is doing to CA. I think you are a deplorable if you voted for Gavin Newsom.

Submitted by flu on December 21, 2018 - 10:03pm.

NeetaT wrote:
Oh no! I must be a deplorable. I voted for Trump! I will vote for him again unless there is a better republican on the ballot. My concern is not with what Trump is doing it's what Gavin Newsom is doing to CA. I think you are a deplorable if you voted for Gavin Newsom.

Neeta.

Let's just take a step back. Look at the current state of the U.S. Forget about left versus right for just a moment.

Do you think Trump is fit to run this country? Really, look at everything that is going on...Look at this tarriff war, look at this stupid government shutdown over a border wall. Look at how we are randomly pulling out of syria , Afghanistan and how we have pissed off our our allies who we count on for intelligence....Mattias, a hard do hardliner that I personally respect can't even stand working for Trump.

How could this possibly be good for this country?

Forget left versus right right now. Don't you think Trump is just nothing but chaos?

And what do you care about paying more taxes? All these stupid tax increases in CA are nothing compared to the tax increase we got from the elimination of SALT deduction.. And that came from this adminstration. If you really cared about paying more taxes, why aren't you bitching about that?

This country is really messed up. people are pretty selfish and short sighted. thank God I am close to financial independence and don't have to give as much of a shit... because it's going to be bad in the next few years for a lot of people...

Being in CA . you can vote for trump again, but your vote doesn't really matter at the national level anyway. I am surprised people in CA who vote Republican St thebnstionsl level would think otherwise. I even know that.

Submitted by NeetaT on December 21, 2018 - 10:01pm.

Oh no! Here I go again. I'm watching Fox News. Those guys are real deplorables.

They believe in:

1.) Low taxes
2.) Limited government
3.) Secure borders
4.) Respect for law enforcement
5.) They are anti affirmative action.
6.) They don't believe in getting rid of plastic straws.
7.) They don't believe in making people pay for plastic grocery bags.
8.) They believe in personal responsibility.
9.) They don't believe in putting triangle signs on bathroom doors.
10.) They believe that certain criminals should be shot on sight.

OH NO!!!!!

Submitted by flu on December 21, 2018 - 10:18pm.

NeetaT wrote:
Oh no! Here I go again. I'm watching Fox News. Those guys are real deplorables.

They believe in:

1.) Low taxes
2.) Limited government
3.) Secure borders
4.) Respect for law enforcement
5.) They are anti affirmative action.
6.) They don't believe in getting rid of plastic straws.
7.) They don't believe in making people pay for plastic grocery bags.
8.) They believe in personal responsibility.
9.) They don't believe in putting triangle signs on bathroom doors.
10.) They believe that certain criminals should be shot on sight.

OH NO!!!!!

So, basically what you are saying is, because you like paper straws and plastic bags, you'd rather vote for someone like Trump, that doesn't mind selling out our country and making us less safe by alienating the U.S. from all our allies we count on for counter intelligence, pull out of Syria and Afgahistan, so that Russia can run the Middle East, because in your mind, plastic straws and plastic bags are as important an issue than, say international intelligence and security????

I don't get the logic here.... You make your entire decison process on the really really important things, based on being pissed off over plastic bags and straws?? Which BTW... MANY CALIFORNIA REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR TO BAN...

BTW: Do you know why people even want to ban plastic straws???

NeetaT.. Tell me, you still don't care??? Really?

I don't expect you to respond. Because all of your "points" I'm willing to bet money are all are based on emotions than facts. I bet you don't even know why some of these things exist. Somewhere along the line, you equated environmentalist, and general concern for living wildlife as a "liberals".... If you look in CA, however, many of the champions of environmental concerns are bipartisan.

But hey, when you do your 2019 taxes this year, and notice that for your federal tax returns you are paying a heck of a lot more taxes now that you are capped at a $10k cap for both state income tax and property tax itemized deductions (assuming you are rich enough to own property in CA), you can thank the guy you voted for (even though your vote didn't really matter), for passing on that extra tax for you. It probably won't kill you, it probably is the difference between buying a 911 instead of a 911s...But that did come from the guy you voted for... You are welcome.

Submitted by NeetaT on December 21, 2018 - 10:19pm.

No flu,

I don't agree with Trump on his latest foreign policy, but I am willing to give it a little time before I pass complete judgment on his decision. I lost some money in a foreign fund due to his tariff decision, but again I am willing to give it some time before I point the finger. I think he means well he is just different to say the least.

Submitted by flu on December 21, 2018 - 10:37pm.

NeetaT wrote:
No flu,

I don't agree with Trump on his latest foreign policy, but I am willing to give it a little time before I pass complete judgment on his decision. I lost some money in a foreign fund due to his tariff decision, but again I am willing to give it some time before I point the finger. I think he means well he is just different to say the least.

You have to be fvcking kidding me?

It's almost 2 years. Have you not seen all the good people that have come and gone through his administration?

There aren't many people left who are qualified. There weren't many people qualified who wanted to work with him to begin with...

All the really qualified are all bowing out because they know what a trainwreck he is, even Republicans...Can you honestly say, with the straight face that Nikki Haley's replacement, Heather Nauert is "qualified"????

And Mattias....

He had all the time. 2 years. Times up. Some of the GOP are giving up. That's why many are retiring. They don't want to be any part of this mess.

This is beyond left versus right. If Trump goes down as the biggest Traitor to the U.S., he's not the only one that's going to go down.. People are going to come with their pitchforks for anyone who supported this guy.

To still say with straight face that he "could turn around", I'm sorry. You're just in denial....

It's insane who he's appointing to important positions. Forget about "qualifcations", all you have to do is "like him" and "yes-sir"....

Have you ever worked for a n autocratic company like this? If so, do you remember what happened to this sort of company.. At a company, it's funny, you can see it implode over time. It's not funny when we're talking about the country.

You people that still want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt are defying any sense of rational logic or in thinking someone that is totally unfit irrational, and lack the temperament to lead can miraculously "change" overnight and be a completely different person, like 180 degrees different..

Have you ever met anyone that extraordinary in life that actually did that? How possible do you think it is? You know the answer to that, you just don't want to accept it..Accepting that means you admit it was a terrible decision and he's a terrible leader, and most people don't want to accept they were part of something this awful...

The germans didn't want to accept they were part of something really awful too for awhile...

I wouldn't have a problem with Pence being President. I don't agree with most of what he says, but I'm pretty sure he's not a lunatic. Many of you keep to rationalize the lunatic as "something new and positive"... Are you nuts????

If you own a company, would you want someone with no experience, no temperance to be running it?

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 21, 2018 - 10:50pm.

When your personal lawyer is going to prison and snitching u out it’s a bad sign.

My moms friend had a roofing co that went bankrupt when trump stiffed them on a big job.

Personally I am appalled by prison rape jokes. But For trump and his family....

Submitted by NeetaT on December 21, 2018 - 11:00pm.

OK, you have to live with Trump for two more years and I have to live with Gavin Newsom for who knows how many more years until my wife's job here in CA ends and I can move to a low tax state. According to what you guys are saying, Trump will more than likely not get elected again and that should make you happy. Two years goes by fast. All I know is that I keep seeing my taxes go up with no end in sight. High taxes is a result of too many social programs for which I am not an advocate of.

Submitted by flu on December 21, 2018 - 11:14pm.

NeetaT wrote:
OK, you have to live with Trump for two more years and I have to live with Gavin Newsom for who knows how many more years until my wife's job here in CA ends and I can move to a low tax state. According to what you guys are saying, Trump will more than likely not get elected again and that should make you happy. Two years goes by fast. All I know is that I keep seeing my taxes go up with no end in sight. High taxes is a result of too many social programs for which I am not an advocate of.

And I'll repeat this again....

How much is your overall 2019 tax going up from 2018 because of the loss of your SALT itemized tax deductions is now capped at 10k

versus

How much is your overall 2019 tax going up due to california state tax increases...

I would guess, the former is much larger of a tax hit than all the state tax increases....

If this bothers you so much, again you are barking at the wrong tree. Do you realize that the GOP/Trump totally screwed over the upper-middle class W2 salaried slaves in high cost states, people like you specifically?

Second, you might move to a lower cost state, but you also need to look into how much you'll be earning...

If you're really feeling you are paying way too much taxes, then you probably aren't spending enough time finding more tax shelters....

And I never said Trump might not get re-elected. I'm more thinking he might....But I'm just wondering why people still think this would be a good thing? Clearly, you're taxes didn't go down with Trump in office. They went up. While you are at it, you're 401k probably now looks like a 301k too and pretty soon may start looking like a 201k...

And you might not need to worry about paying more taxes in 2019. You might have a capital loss now...

Submitted by outtamojo on December 21, 2018 - 11:47pm.

Wow, so Gavin STILL offers the best overall situation for you otherwise you would have left already.

Submitted by flu on December 22, 2018 - 12:38am.

outtamojo wrote:
Wow, so Gavin STILL offers the best overall situation for you otherwise you would have left already.

I suspect that as annoying as some of these CA tax increases are, they really don't impact an individual unless you happen to be an individual working for minimum wage.

People who work at minimum wage or near it would feel every pinch of of a CA gas tax increase, etc,etc...And yes, it totally would make more sense for these people to move out of state.

However, I would say that a lot of professionals still stay in CA, because on a household level, financially they would still net more money working in CA than they would in those lower cost states that also would pay a lot lower.

And also, for a lot of the opportunities in the "lower cost state", you end up living in an area that isn't exactly "low cost"... For example, lots of techies going to Dallas, but Dallas isn't exactly cheap in the areas you want to live in...Example North Dallas. It might not be as expensive as it is in CA, but still not a walk in the park. And there, property taxes is not cheap either.

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