Employers are constantly Employers are constantly complaining that they can’t find talent. And this is not just in one single area of IT but across the board from Network specialists to all areas of Software Engineering.
Do you believe this is a myth or is there any truth to it?
spdrun
August 5, 2015 @
10:05 AM
There might be a shortage at There might be a shortage at rates that they’re willing to pay.
Coronita
August 5, 2015 @
12:08 PM
Definitely not in IT. Definitely not in IT.
SK in CV
August 5, 2015 @
5:43 PM
flu wrote:Definitely not in [quote=flu]Definitely not in IT.[/quote]
Definitely not what? Definitely not a myth or definitely not the truth?
Coronita
August 5, 2015 @
6:20 PM
SK in CV wrote:flu [quote=SK in CV][quote=flu]Definitely not in IT.[/quote]
Definitely not what? Definitely not a myth or definitely not the truth?[/quote]
Majority of IT jobs, there’s no shortage. There are pockets of specialization but majority of IT jobs, there are plenty of people that can do it.
joec
August 5, 2015 @
6:31 PM
A lot of the complaints I A lot of the complaints I think also stem from wanting very specific skillsets that not many people have or bother to learn or need to learn.
That, and no company really “trains” anyone anymore so they have a job rec with very limited/few people qualified or it’s not a common skillset.
Some are also unreasonable like someone who, say has 10 years experience with Windows 10 or something.
That, and as above, the pay is very low.
kev374
August 5, 2015 @
6:51 PM
what’s up with recruiters what’s up with recruiters asking you to come into their office first for a pre-interview? Is it just a waste of my time?
an
August 5, 2015 @
11:46 PM
kev374 wrote:what’s up with [quote=kev374]what’s up with recruiters asking you to come into their office first for a pre-interview? Is it just a waste of my time?[/quote]I would say so. I would never do that. Recruiters works for you, not the other way around. They get paid when they get someone like you to fill the position. So, the furthest I would go is meet a recruiter over coffee but I wouldn’t bother with an in person pre-interview.
kev374
August 6, 2015 @
9:16 AM
AN wrote:kev374 wrote:what’s [quote=AN][quote=kev374]what’s up with recruiters asking you to come into their office first for a pre-interview? Is it just a waste of my time?[/quote]I would say so. I would never do that. Recruiters works for you, not the other way around. They get paid when they get someone like you to fill the position. So, the furthest I would go is meet a recruiter over coffee but I wouldn’t bother with an in person pre-interview.[/quote]
I stupidly agreed to meet a recruiter at their office tomorrow, I think I will have to go through with it. In addition they are expecting me to pay the $5 parking because they can’t validate…what BS is this?
an
August 6, 2015 @
10:26 AM
kev374 wrote:AN wrote:kev374 [quote=kev374][quote=AN][quote=kev374]what’s up with recruiters asking you to come into their office first for a pre-interview? Is it just a waste of my time?[/quote]I would say so. I would never do that. Recruiters works for you, not the other way around. They get paid when they get someone like you to fill the position. So, the furthest I would go is meet a recruiter over coffee but I wouldn’t bother with an in person pre-interview.[/quote]
I stupidly agreed to meet a recruiter at their office tomorrow, I think I will have to go through with it. In addition they are expecting me to pay the $5 parking because they can’t validate…what BS is this?[/quote]That’s total BS. Just cancel. Say you got a meeting at work that just came up and you can’t make it. Tell them if they can meet you at a Starbucks on a different day instead if you really care to do biz w/ them.
kev374
August 6, 2015 @
6:42 PM
AN wrote:That’s total BS. [quote=AN]That’s total BS. Just cancel. Say you got a meeting at work that just came up and you can’t make it. Tell them if they can meet you at a Starbucks on a different day instead if you really care to do biz w/ them.[/quote]
Yep, thanks, I called and cancelled. My buddy thought I was nuts to do that… as you said I am a client as far as the recruiter is concerned. !
barnaby33
August 9, 2015 @
9:46 AM
Recruiters don’t work for Recruiters don’t work for you. They work for the person paying them. YOU are the product. Just like any good pimp a recruiter wants to inspect the merchandise before endorsing it, or putting it out there!
Josh
an
August 5, 2015 @
11:51 PM
There is no shortage. Just a There is no shortage. Just a shortage at the price they’re willing to pay in conjunction with their desire to train.
mixxalot
August 6, 2015 @
8:24 PM
As someone with 15 years As someone with 15 years experience and multiple certifications and a college degree from top school, I was laid off six months ago. Now I am having a very difficult time finding work. If I was a cheap charlie H1b Indian then it would not be an issue. I am seeing workplaces 90% Indian and Chinese for tech jobs.
all
August 7, 2015 @
8:21 AM
mixxalot wrote:As someone [quote=mixxalot]As someone with 15 years experience and multiple certifications and a college degree from top school, I was laid off six months ago. Now I am having a very difficult time finding work. If I was a cheap charlie H1b Indian then it would not be an issue. I am seeing workplaces 90% Indian and Chinese for tech jobs.[/quote]
People that came over during the Clinton’s expansion of H1B are either gone, or US citizens (some people from India might still be PR/GC, but from the work status perspective they are as good as citizens in most cases). So the 90% Indian/Chinese that you are seeing are likely your fellow citizens, not temporary residents with dual intention (H1B).
Anonymous
August 9, 2015 @
11:07 AM
all wrote:mixxalot wrote:As [quote=all][quote=mixxalot]As someone with 15 years experience and multiple certifications and a college degree from top school, I was laid off six months ago. Now I am having a very difficult time finding work. If I was a cheap charlie H1b Indian then it would not be an issue. I am seeing workplaces 90% Indian and Chinese for tech jobs.[/quote]
People that came over during the Clinton’s expansion of H1B are either gone, or US citizens (some people from India might still be PR/GC, but from the work status perspective they are as good as citizens in most cases). So the 90% Indian/Chinese that you are seeing are likely your fellow citizens, not temporary residents with dual intention (H1B).[/quote]
Just curious, what “Path to citizenship” actually exists for an H1B visa holder? Outside of marrying a U.S. Citizen I doubt there is any path. As a result, most Chinese and Indians in the work force are probably either American born or H1B.
all
August 10, 2015 @
8:46 AM
deadzone wrote:all [quote=deadzone][quote=all]
People that came over during the Clinton’s expansion of H1B are either gone, or US citizens (some people from India might still be PR/GC, but from the work status perspective they are as good as citizens in most cases). So the 90% Indian/Chinese that you are seeing are likely your fellow citizens, not temporary residents with dual intention (H1B).[/quote]
Just curious, what “Path to citizenship” actually exists for an H1B visa holder? Outside of marrying a U.S. Citizen I doubt there is any path. As a result, most Chinese and Indians in the work force are probably either American born or H1B.[/quote]
Family based and employment based programs are available to any person, not just H1B’s. The Immigrant Visa Process
The dual-intent designation of H1B allows you to remain in the country while somebody is petitioning for your GC (you can also use pending petition to extend your H1B stay beyond the maximum 6 years – that is how many Chinese/Indian H1B’s managed to stay in status).
You can apply for citizenship five years after you gain your permanent residence status.
dumbrenter
August 7, 2015 @
8:30 AM
mixxalot wrote:As someone [quote=mixxalot]As someone with 15 years experience and multiple certifications and a college degree from top school, I was laid off six months ago. Now I am having a very difficult time finding work. If I was a cheap charlie H1b Indian then it would not be an issue. I am seeing workplaces 90% Indian and Chinese for tech jobs.[/quote]
Why can’t you be a cheap charlie H1b too? For a person with 15 years experience… you should have figured out that is more than a grand total of $0 (not incl. unemployment money) that you probably are making right now.
My sympathies for the situation you are in now, and it is very human to blame the ‘other’ but I find it funny that the most vehement free-market proponents turn into raging protectionists when it comes to their own job.
FlyerInHi
August 7, 2015 @
8:56 AM
mixxalot wrote:As someone [quote=mixxalot]As someone with 15 years experience and multiple certifications and a college degree from top school, I was laid off six months ago. Now I am having a very difficult time finding work. If I was a cheap charlie H1b Indian then it would not be an issue. I am seeing workplaces 90% Indian and Chinese for tech jobs.[/quote]
I think Charlie means Vietnamese. Indian is more likely Andy.
kev374
August 7, 2015 @
10:01 AM
So why are Indians so So why are Indians so pervasive in IT? Isn’t it perplexing that one type of people are most prevalent in the entire field? I mean I would find it really bizzare if all US Postal workers were from Colombia or something like that.
Whichever company I go to and look at the IT team, there are an overwhelming number of Indians. I wonder why there isn’t more of a mix in terms of race.
Coronita
August 7, 2015 @
10:52 AM
kev374 wrote:So why are [quote=kev374]So why are Indians so pervasive in IT? Isn’t it perplexing that one type of people are most prevalent in the entire field? I mean I would find it really bizzare if all US Postal workers were from Colombia or something like that.
Whichever company I go to and look at the IT team, there are an overwhelming number of Indians. I wonder why there isn’t more of a mix in terms of race.[/quote]
Well, there are 1.2 billion people from india and 1.3 billion from china. Combined, both graduate about 1 million STEM degreed kids every YEAR.
an
August 7, 2015 @
11:59 AM
flu wrote:kev374 wrote:So why [quote=flu][quote=kev374]So why are Indians so pervasive in IT? Isn’t it perplexing that one type of people are most prevalent in the entire field? I mean I would find it really bizzare if all US Postal workers were from Colombia or something like that.
Whichever company I go to and look at the IT team, there are an overwhelming number of Indians. I wonder why there isn’t more of a mix in terms of race.[/quote]
Well, there are 1.2 billion people from india and 1.3 billion from china. Combined, both graduate about 1 million STEM degreed kids every YEAR.
[/quote]
LoL, so true.
mixxalot
August 7, 2015 @
1:13 PM
The way to effectively The way to effectively compete against Indians and Chinese is to create and invent stuff that you can patent and sell. Indians and Chinese are herd mentality like the Borg collective from Star Trek. They lack creativity for the most part and tend to be risk averse. Entrepreneurs require courage to take risk and creativity out of box thinking to innovate.
fun4vnay2
August 7, 2015 @
1:31 PM
I agree and disagree as I agree and disagree as well.
I’d not stereotype Chinese and Indians like this.
Americans who are exposed to Chinese and Indians are the ones who are in general first generation immigrants with no social or financial support.
This kind of forces them to resort to guaranteed return careers like engineering and medicine.
The first generation chinese and indians are definitely more conservative
But this would change with next generations of chinese and indians.
Just watch it for few decades and it’d be proven with time.
Coronita
August 7, 2015 @
1:47 PM
mixxalot wrote:The way to [quote=mixxalot]The way to effectively compete against Indians and Chinese is to create and invent stuff that you can patent and sell. Indians and Chinese are herd mentality like the Borg collective from Star Trek. They lack creativity for the most part and tend to be risk averse. Entrepreneurs require courage to take risk and creativity out of box thinking to innovate.[/quote]
75% of Americans that think they are exceptionally creative aren’t actually exceptionally creative. If they were, they wouldn’t be employees worried about being replaced by H1-B’s cheaper labor…They would be running the show… Just saying…. The reason why there’s a lot more indian and asians in tech and why more of them are succeeding is (1) there’s a lot of them, and a lot of them want it more badly then everyone else, because for them, they have nothing to lose.
moneymaker
August 7, 2015 @
1:53 PM
flu wrote:
75% of Americans [quote=flu]
75% of Americans that think they are exceptionally creative aren’t actually exceptionally creative. If they were, they wouldn’t be employees worried about being replaced by H1-B’s cheaper labor…They would be running the show… Just saying…. The reason why there’s a lot more indian and asians in tech and why more of them are succeeding is (1) there’s a lot of them, and a lot of them want it more badly then everyone else, because for them, they have nothing to lose.[/quote]
So true! I think I’m creative but my laziness is far stronger, hence I don’t run the show, that is currently running like a slow speed train wreck. Time to go lay out in the sun!
FlyerInHi
August 7, 2015 @
2:32 PM
The world is more objectively The world is more objectively oriented. We want objective measures of qualifications and intelligence.
The question is: how many real Americans have STEM masters or above with 4.0 gpa?
I know people who bitch a lot but their own kids are rather worthless.
Flu is right. If you think you’re that creative, then the market will reward you.
poorgradstudent
August 7, 2015 @
3:04 PM
Regarding recruiters, there Regarding recruiters, there is a HUGE difference if it’s an internal recruiter vs. freelance.
Internal recruiters are actually handing off resumes to hiring managers to review. So they make the pool of candidates managers pick from. It seems rare to have a phone interview with an internal recruiter and not at least get a phone interview. You may not get the job (seems like recruiters like to get 2, maybe 3 qualified candidates for each job), but the likelyhood of an interview is good.
Outside recruiters basically work for themselves. This means for contract positions you can get contacted by several recruiters about the same job. They have incentive to get you hired, but no real sway in the hiring process at all. They’re basically just a middleman in the hiring process.
flyer
August 7, 2015 @
4:15 PM
We have a number of friends We have a number of friends and acquaintances who are in tech fields. Some have been at the right place at the right time, and have done extremely well, but, from our discussions, it seems most worry about the future of their jobs all the time–regardless of their ethnicity.
Our kids chose medicine and the business side of the film business, as well as real estate investment (per our suggestion) and, in retrospect, we’re glad they did.
I always encourage friends who have younger kids to level with them about the challenges of the global marketplace, and to make their college and career choices wisely.
Coronita
August 7, 2015 @
3:45 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:The world is [quote=FlyerInHi]The world is more objectively oriented. We want objective measures of qualifications and intelligence.
The question is: how many real Americans have STEM masters or above with 4.0 gpa?
I know people who bitch a lot but their own kids are rather worthless.
Flu is right. If you think you’re that creative, then the market will reward you.[/quote]
This isn’t to say I agree that this is how it should be. I am merely mentioning this is how it will be. The only way you will be able to commend a much higher comp than someone else across the ocean is if you do something that is unique that is also in demand or if you are at the top of your game. Just like US companies, you won’t be able to compete on cost alone. There are exceptions. For example, working for someone that requires security clearance.
FlyerInHi
August 7, 2015 @
5:22 PM
Flu, I’m in agreement with Flu, I’m in agreement with you. It’s not necessarily how it should be, but it is.
Some people have designed it that way thinking they would always be on top.
Unfortunately there will always be someone smarter, richer, better looking, harder working.
The voting rights act was in the news lately. Back before, voters had to take a test in order to vote. What if we were to administer an IQ test today?
The reality today is that excellence in education is a measure of hard-work and qualifications.
Sure, if you have connections, you can make it. But the numbers are against you. And even if you make it with connections, one day, thanks to big data, someone will ask “how did this moron make it?”
Another way is to own your own assets (like real estate), or your own business. But statistically not a good path for everyone.
Coronita
August 7, 2015 @
6:15 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:
Some people [quote=FlyerInHi]
Some people have designed it that way thinking they would always be on top.
Unfortunately there will always be someone smarter, richer, better looking, harder working.
[/quote]
The lesson to learn here is life isn’t fair. So people need to really get over it.
[quote]
The voting rights act was in the news lately. Back before, voters had to take a test in order to vote. What if we were to administer an IQ test today?
[/quote]
Won’t ever happen because 75% of the U.S. population would fail (maybe more)….Funny part is a lot of those IQ tests I would probably do bad on simply because I suck at taking tests or doing those stupid brain teaser questions.
[quote]
The reality today is that excellence in education is a measure of hard-work and qualifications.
Sure, if you have connections, you can make it. But the numbers are against you. And even if you make it with connections, one day, thanks to big data, someone will ask “how did this moron make it?”
[/quote]
Alot of this has a lot more to do with relationships you establish in your profession and your reputation. I probably wouldn’t have been able to get my current opportunity if it wasn’t for the fact that I had a really good working relationship with some of the people at the new company. Employment hiring can really be random, you can be a total guru, and for some random reason, not get hired. Or you can be a total doofus and slip through.
Going through a traditional recruiter without knowing anyone where you are going is harder than going to a place that people can vouch for you. In some cases, they might not be an official position, and they end up creating one for you. Especially more so in this age of increased competition and many people looking, it really matters much more who you know (or more correctly, who knows you). And that’s the part I think a lot of engineers/technical people don’t get. They spend a considerable amount of time focusing only on the project ,when they do need spend a good amount of time on building relationships. It just makes things a lot easier. I hate “networking” and I don’t generally like to do it. But I do spend time making sure I build relationships with people I enjoy working with. Because you never know when they might need your help and when you might need their help. And it’s a good feeling to be able to help someone that helped you in the past and vice versa.
And let’s face it. While most of us want to think we’re exceptionally smart, most of us (inclusive) aren’t geniuses that can sell ourselves strictly on the merits of how “exceptional” we are. That’s maybe 5% of the population or less, and that’s nothing you can really do about it because you were either born gifted or not… So for the remainder 95% of the rest of us, you even the playing field by focusing on your reputation and relationships, which is completely in your control.
I would assume this is especially the case when it comes to contracting, when you need to justify why you cost much more than someone from across the ocean…
[quote]
Another way is to own your own assets (like real estate), or your own business. But statistically not a good path for everyone.[/quote]
Yes, and hopefully people learn this lesson at a much younger age than when I learned it. Ideally, when you’re in your twenties.
FlyerInHi
August 7, 2015 @
11:29 PM
Flu, I don’t have kids, but I Flu, I don’t have kids, but I tell my teenage nieces to save their money and invest in real estate.
For example, they could own a cheap apartment in Riveside and manage it. Good experience to juggle things and learn the stresses of life, and deal with people. Better than sit around and do useless teenage things.
I bought something on Craigslist at a place going out of business. The building is owned by an attorney who made his teenage son sell all the stuff left behind. The kid didn’t seem to like having to meet me. I got a good deal.
Honestly, I’d rather own a few properties, run around and do what needs done than work in an office having to wonder if the job is stable. In today’s new economy, there are many things you can do as an independent contractor. But still get good grades and go to college as an insurance policy. Plus college makes people more intellectually curious and broad minded.
Incidentally, Obamacare is great for folks who don’t want to be tied down to any particular job.
njtosd
August 14, 2015 @
9:10 AM
mixxalot wrote:The way to [quote=mixxalot]The way to effectively compete against Indians and Chinese is to create and invent stuff that you can patent and sell. Indians and Chinese are herd mentality like the Borg collective from Star Trek. They lack creativity for the most part and tend to be risk averse. Entrepreneurs require courage to take risk and creativity out of box thinking to innovate.[/quote]
Although I might take exception with some of your generalizations, I would say your first sentence is spot on no matter who you want to compete with (although trademarks are often more valuable than patents – COKE, CRAYOLA, etc – so are copyrights). Create and protect an asset that you are in control of. If you are completely dependent on others to create your job you will always feel yanked around, even if you’re at the top of the food chain.
fun4vnay2
August 7, 2015 @
10:38 AM
Not just IT..
QCOM engg team Not just IT..
QCOM engg team is full of Indians
A lot of doctors are Indians
Anything which is high paying with hard work/studies not with connections/networking, you’d find first generation immigrant Indians..
A wave of second generation is now getting ready for other high profile high power networking centric professions…
Coronita
August 7, 2015 @
1:33 PM
I just want my kid to go to I just want my kid to go to medical school or vet school and not deal with this…
Coronita
August 7, 2015 @
9:11 PM
Then again, maybe our younger Then again, maybe our younger generation are more positive then us old farts…
I think there is real I think there is real shortage of IT Talent based on current needs. Any IT company these days uses about 10 different technologies out of 100+ different technologies available for essentially developing some web application. so just calculate all permutations & combination are possible with all those technologies.
People don’t realize that if someone is good at A1 then s/he can learn A2 etc much faster. Recruiters look for someone with only A2 skill but not A1 even though its very similar.
just look at technical requirements of this job. there might be ton of people with .net experience but if you take all other technologies into account you may not find 1 person in san diego with all those skills.
so going forward these 100 technologies becomes 200 or 300 and permutations and combinations will go much higher and availability of the people with your specific skill set go down.
I think its a never ending problem unless someone logically thinks and sets the much broader criteria for the selection process and more than mere technical skills someone should have problem solving skills.
Coronita
August 10, 2015 @
7:22 AM
usr145 wrote:I think there is [quote=usr145]I think there is real shortage of IT Talent based on current needs. Any IT company these days uses about 10 different technologies out of 100+ different technologies available for essentially developing some web application. so just calculate all permutations & combination are possible with all those technologies.
People don’t realize that if someone is good at A1 then s/he can learn A2 etc much faster. Recruiters look for someone with only A2 skill but not A1 even though its very similar.
just look at technical requirements of this job. there might be ton of people with .net experience but if you take all other technologies into account you may not find 1 person in san diego with all those skills.
so going forward these 100 technologies becomes 200 or 300 and permutations and combinations will go much higher and availability of the people with your specific skill set go down.
I think its a never ending problem unless someone logically thinks and sets the much broader criteria for the selection process and more than mere technical skills someone should have problem solving skills.[/quote]
Companies like to throw the “kitchen sink” at skillsets one needs when they start looking for a new hire. But it’s unlikely the person that ends up getting hired will have more than 3-4 of the listed skills this employer wants. So it becomes a waiting game. The employer is just going to camp out waiting for the ideal candidate, and about 2 weeks before the req. ends up disappearing, they are going to find a candidate, and he/she won’t have anywhere close to those skills listed. This job listing is probably fairly new. Give it another 2-3 months, and the employer will be much more flexible in the candidate it is seeking. It’s the way some of these companies roll…It doesn’t matter how good you really are right now. If you interview with this company right when the job was posted, there is a high probability you won’t get the job, because will want to see “who is better out there”…Give it another 2-3 months, after they passed a lot of good candidates, and they get sick of trying to find one, and finance telling them that the position will disappear if they don’t fill it, then they’ll end up hiring someone of much lesser qualification, out of desperation to fill it….I see it happen all the time.
meadandale
August 10, 2015 @
8:49 AM
I don’t know if there is a I don’t know if there is a talent shortage…but there is certainly an overabundance of under qualified individuals who have been bluffing their way through their career.
I’ve been interviewing people over the last year and started giving them a variant of the FizzBuzz test (which any freshman programmer ought to be able to complete). You’d be amazed at the number of people with a decade of experience who couldn’t complete this simple programming task.
I find that most of the people you want to hire are rarely on the market.
livinincali
August 10, 2015 @
9:48 AM
meadandale wrote:
I’ve been [quote=meadandale]
I’ve been interviewing people over the last year and started giving them a variant of the FizzBuzz test (which any freshman programmer ought to be able to complete). You’d be amazed at the number of people with a decade of experience who couldn’t complete this simple programming task.[/quote]
I agree that fizzbuzz is a pretty straightforward test of writing a simple algorithm but I can’t remember the last time I used a modulus operator in real world code.
meadandale
August 10, 2015 @
1:31 PM
livinincali wrote:meadandale [quote=livinincali][quote=meadandale]
I’ve been interviewing people over the last year and started giving them a variant of the FizzBuzz test (which any freshman programmer ought to be able to complete). You’d be amazed at the number of people with a decade of experience who couldn’t complete this simple programming task.[/quote]
I agree that fizzbuzz is a pretty straightforward test of writing a simple algorithm but I can’t remember the last time I used a modulus operator in real world code.[/quote]
I just did on friday. I guess it depends on the type of code you write.
an
August 10, 2015 @
1:54 PM
meadandale wrote:livinincali [quote=meadandale][quote=livinincali][quote=meadandale]
I’ve been interviewing people over the last year and started giving them a variant of the FizzBuzz test (which any freshman programmer ought to be able to complete). You’d be amazed at the number of people with a decade of experience who couldn’t complete this simple programming task.[/quote]
I agree that fizzbuzz is a pretty straightforward test of writing a simple algorithm but I can’t remember the last time I used a modulus operator in real world code.[/quote]
I just did on friday. I guess it depends on the type of code you write.[/quote]Yep, it all depends on the type of code you write. I’ve never used it in my entire career.
livinincali
August 10, 2015 @
10:05 AM
usr145 wrote:
just look at [quote=usr145]
just look at technical requirements of this job. there might be ton of people with .net experience but if you take all other technologies into account you may not find 1 person in san diego with all those skills.
I guess that’s the one problem with so many open source projects where a standard hasn’t quite emerged yet. Some of those tools are probably here to stay especially with large players behind stuff like Angular (Google). Others will fall by the wayside and frankly they aren’t doing anything revolutionary or new. Bower is just another package manager, nothing particularly special about it.
jeff303
August 10, 2015 @
12:49 PM
livinincali wrote:
I guess [quote=livinincali]
I guess that’s the one problem with so many open source projects where a standard hasn’t quite emerged yet. Some of those tools are probably here to stay especially with large players behind stuff like Angular (Google). Others will fall by the wayside and frankly they aren’t doing anything revolutionary or new. Bower is just another package manager, nothing particularly special about it.[/quote]
That’s certainly one problem. Another one is that this employer is apparently looking for someone who is a UI designer, frontend developer, backend developer, product manager, and database administrator. They don’t show the compensation offered (“depends on experience”), but I’m guessing it’s below the $250k+/year they’d need to offer to actually find someone who has competency in all of that.
meadandale
August 10, 2015 @
1:33 PM
jeff303 wrote:livinincali [quote=jeff303][quote=livinincali]
I guess that’s the one problem with so many open source projects where a standard hasn’t quite emerged yet. Some of those tools are probably here to stay especially with large players behind stuff like Angular (Google). Others will fall by the wayside and frankly they aren’t doing anything revolutionary or new. Bower is just another package manager, nothing particularly special about it.[/quote]
That’s certainly one problem. Another one is that this employer is apparently looking for someone who is a UI designer, frontend developer, backend developer, product manager, and database administrator. They don’t show the compensation offered (“depends on experience”), but I’m guessing it’s below the $250k+/year they’d need to offer to actually find someone who has competency in all of that.[/quote]
Agree, our company is segmented between FE and BE. I stopped keeping up with FE tech a few years ago because I specialize in BE. Half those requirements are for skills/techs are specific to FE development.
livinincali
August 10, 2015 @
1:56 PM
jeff303 wrote:
That’s [quote=jeff303]
That’s certainly one problem. Another one is that this employer is apparently looking for someone who is a UI designer, frontend developer, backend developer, product manager, and database administrator. They don’t show the compensation offered (“depends on experience”), but I’m guessing it’s below the $250k+/year they’d need to offer to actually find someone who has competency in all of that.[/quote]
Not sure the size of this organization but certainly in the realm of small shop startups you don’t necessarily have separate FE and BE teams. I guess it depends on how much experience they want. Somebody that can get something working from front to back that is likely sub optimal in some area or a really solid front to back implementation. I think most companies have that legacy code base that nobody wants to look at because it was done in the heyday by some fly by night programmer that had no idea what they were doing, but it worked.
no_such_reality
August 10, 2015 @
8:05 PM
That smells of small company. That smells of small company. LinkedIn shows them as 200-500 employees.
You see a lot of those kinds of job postings where it will be title VP IT or Director IT and proceed to list skills for hands on network management, SQL queries, DB management, backups, server builds, email, security, patching, etc. might as well just say be the IT person.
FlyerInHi
August 12, 2015 @
1:35 PM
Maybe a sociological factor. Maybe a sociological factor.
Could it be that as tech becomes more dominated by Asians, Whites are perceived as less smart? Or maybe not less smart, but more lackadaisical and less willing to put in the hard work, especially in production.
I mean, you can’t chill, play football, smoke weed and have fun and expect to get good grades and prestigious degrees that lead to well-paying tech careers.
Put yourself in the position of the recruiter. For production work, would you rather hire a B student from San Diego State, or an honor student from IIT.
Coronita
August 10, 2015 @
9:53 AM
For me that hates those brain For me that hates those brain teaser software interview questions, I was preparing for the worst from companies like Google. I ended up signing up for a refresher at Interviewcake.com. turns out I never went through with the Google interview, because I found something down here and wanted to leave the Google option open for the future (1 year interview cycle). Plus hopefully Google decides to expand the San Diego company they just bought a few months ago.
August 5, 2015 @ 10:02 AM
Employers are constantly
Employers are constantly complaining that they can’t find talent. And this is not just in one single area of IT but across the board from Network specialists to all areas of Software Engineering.
Do you believe this is a myth or is there any truth to it?
August 5, 2015 @ 10:05 AM
There might be a shortage at
There might be a shortage at rates that they’re willing to pay.
August 5, 2015 @ 12:08 PM
Definitely not in IT.
Definitely not in IT.
August 5, 2015 @ 5:43 PM
flu wrote:Definitely not in
[quote=flu]Definitely not in IT.[/quote]
Definitely not what? Definitely not a myth or definitely not the truth?
August 5, 2015 @ 6:20 PM
SK in CV wrote:flu
[quote=SK in CV][quote=flu]Definitely not in IT.[/quote]
Definitely not what? Definitely not a myth or definitely not the truth?[/quote]
Majority of IT jobs, there’s no shortage. There are pockets of specialization but majority of IT jobs, there are plenty of people that can do it.
August 5, 2015 @ 6:31 PM
A lot of the complaints I
A lot of the complaints I think also stem from wanting very specific skillsets that not many people have or bother to learn or need to learn.
That, and no company really “trains” anyone anymore so they have a job rec with very limited/few people qualified or it’s not a common skillset.
Some are also unreasonable like someone who, say has 10 years experience with Windows 10 or something.
That, and as above, the pay is very low.
August 5, 2015 @ 6:51 PM
what’s up with recruiters
what’s up with recruiters asking you to come into their office first for a pre-interview? Is it just a waste of my time?
August 5, 2015 @ 11:46 PM
kev374 wrote:what’s up with
[quote=kev374]what’s up with recruiters asking you to come into their office first for a pre-interview? Is it just a waste of my time?[/quote]I would say so. I would never do that. Recruiters works for you, not the other way around. They get paid when they get someone like you to fill the position. So, the furthest I would go is meet a recruiter over coffee but I wouldn’t bother with an in person pre-interview.
August 6, 2015 @ 9:16 AM
AN wrote:kev374 wrote:what’s
[quote=AN][quote=kev374]what’s up with recruiters asking you to come into their office first for a pre-interview? Is it just a waste of my time?[/quote]I would say so. I would never do that. Recruiters works for you, not the other way around. They get paid when they get someone like you to fill the position. So, the furthest I would go is meet a recruiter over coffee but I wouldn’t bother with an in person pre-interview.[/quote]
I stupidly agreed to meet a recruiter at their office tomorrow, I think I will have to go through with it. In addition they are expecting me to pay the $5 parking because they can’t validate…what BS is this?
August 6, 2015 @ 10:26 AM
kev374 wrote:AN wrote:kev374
[quote=kev374][quote=AN][quote=kev374]what’s up with recruiters asking you to come into their office first for a pre-interview? Is it just a waste of my time?[/quote]I would say so. I would never do that. Recruiters works for you, not the other way around. They get paid when they get someone like you to fill the position. So, the furthest I would go is meet a recruiter over coffee but I wouldn’t bother with an in person pre-interview.[/quote]
I stupidly agreed to meet a recruiter at their office tomorrow, I think I will have to go through with it. In addition they are expecting me to pay the $5 parking because they can’t validate…what BS is this?[/quote]That’s total BS. Just cancel. Say you got a meeting at work that just came up and you can’t make it. Tell them if they can meet you at a Starbucks on a different day instead if you really care to do biz w/ them.
August 6, 2015 @ 6:42 PM
AN wrote:That’s total BS.
[quote=AN]That’s total BS. Just cancel. Say you got a meeting at work that just came up and you can’t make it. Tell them if they can meet you at a Starbucks on a different day instead if you really care to do biz w/ them.[/quote]
Yep, thanks, I called and cancelled. My buddy thought I was nuts to do that… as you said I am a client as far as the recruiter is concerned. !
August 9, 2015 @ 9:46 AM
Recruiters don’t work for
Recruiters don’t work for you. They work for the person paying them. YOU are the product. Just like any good pimp a recruiter wants to inspect the merchandise before endorsing it, or putting it out there!
Josh
August 5, 2015 @ 11:51 PM
There is no shortage. Just a
There is no shortage. Just a shortage at the price they’re willing to pay in conjunction with their desire to train.
August 6, 2015 @ 8:24 PM
As someone with 15 years
As someone with 15 years experience and multiple certifications and a college degree from top school, I was laid off six months ago. Now I am having a very difficult time finding work. If I was a cheap charlie H1b Indian then it would not be an issue. I am seeing workplaces 90% Indian and Chinese for tech jobs.
August 7, 2015 @ 8:21 AM
mixxalot wrote:As someone
[quote=mixxalot]As someone with 15 years experience and multiple certifications and a college degree from top school, I was laid off six months ago. Now I am having a very difficult time finding work. If I was a cheap charlie H1b Indian then it would not be an issue. I am seeing workplaces 90% Indian and Chinese for tech jobs.[/quote]
People that came over during the Clinton’s expansion of H1B are either gone, or US citizens (some people from India might still be PR/GC, but from the work status perspective they are as good as citizens in most cases). So the 90% Indian/Chinese that you are seeing are likely your fellow citizens, not temporary residents with dual intention (H1B).
August 9, 2015 @ 11:07 AM
all wrote:mixxalot wrote:As
[quote=all][quote=mixxalot]As someone with 15 years experience and multiple certifications and a college degree from top school, I was laid off six months ago. Now I am having a very difficult time finding work. If I was a cheap charlie H1b Indian then it would not be an issue. I am seeing workplaces 90% Indian and Chinese for tech jobs.[/quote]
People that came over during the Clinton’s expansion of H1B are either gone, or US citizens (some people from India might still be PR/GC, but from the work status perspective they are as good as citizens in most cases). So the 90% Indian/Chinese that you are seeing are likely your fellow citizens, not temporary residents with dual intention (H1B).[/quote]
Just curious, what “Path to citizenship” actually exists for an H1B visa holder? Outside of marrying a U.S. Citizen I doubt there is any path. As a result, most Chinese and Indians in the work force are probably either American born or H1B.
August 10, 2015 @ 8:46 AM
deadzone wrote:all
[quote=deadzone][quote=all]
People that came over during the Clinton’s expansion of H1B are either gone, or US citizens (some people from India might still be PR/GC, but from the work status perspective they are as good as citizens in most cases). So the 90% Indian/Chinese that you are seeing are likely your fellow citizens, not temporary residents with dual intention (H1B).[/quote]
Just curious, what “Path to citizenship” actually exists for an H1B visa holder? Outside of marrying a U.S. Citizen I doubt there is any path. As a result, most Chinese and Indians in the work force are probably either American born or H1B.[/quote]
Family based and employment based programs are available to any person, not just H1B’s.
The Immigrant Visa Process
The dual-intent designation of H1B allows you to remain in the country while somebody is petitioning for your GC (you can also use pending petition to extend your H1B stay beyond the maximum 6 years – that is how many Chinese/Indian H1B’s managed to stay in status).
You can apply for citizenship five years after you gain your permanent residence status.
August 7, 2015 @ 8:30 AM
mixxalot wrote:As someone
[quote=mixxalot]As someone with 15 years experience and multiple certifications and a college degree from top school, I was laid off six months ago. Now I am having a very difficult time finding work. If I was a cheap charlie H1b Indian then it would not be an issue. I am seeing workplaces 90% Indian and Chinese for tech jobs.[/quote]
Why can’t you be a cheap charlie H1b too? For a person with 15 years experience… you should have figured out that is more than a grand total of $0 (not incl. unemployment money) that you probably are making right now.
My sympathies for the situation you are in now, and it is very human to blame the ‘other’ but I find it funny that the most vehement free-market proponents turn into raging protectionists when it comes to their own job.
August 7, 2015 @ 8:56 AM
mixxalot wrote:As someone
[quote=mixxalot]As someone with 15 years experience and multiple certifications and a college degree from top school, I was laid off six months ago. Now I am having a very difficult time finding work. If I was a cheap charlie H1b Indian then it would not be an issue. I am seeing workplaces 90% Indian and Chinese for tech jobs.[/quote]
I think Charlie means Vietnamese. Indian is more likely Andy.
August 7, 2015 @ 10:01 AM
So why are Indians so
So why are Indians so pervasive in IT? Isn’t it perplexing that one type of people are most prevalent in the entire field? I mean I would find it really bizzare if all US Postal workers were from Colombia or something like that.
Whichever company I go to and look at the IT team, there are an overwhelming number of Indians. I wonder why there isn’t more of a mix in terms of race.
August 7, 2015 @ 10:52 AM
kev374 wrote:So why are
[quote=kev374]So why are Indians so pervasive in IT? Isn’t it perplexing that one type of people are most prevalent in the entire field? I mean I would find it really bizzare if all US Postal workers were from Colombia or something like that.
Whichever company I go to and look at the IT team, there are an overwhelming number of Indians. I wonder why there isn’t more of a mix in terms of race.[/quote]
Well, there are 1.2 billion people from india and 1.3 billion from china. Combined, both graduate about 1 million STEM degreed kids every YEAR.
August 7, 2015 @ 11:59 AM
flu wrote:kev374 wrote:So why
[quote=flu][quote=kev374]So why are Indians so pervasive in IT? Isn’t it perplexing that one type of people are most prevalent in the entire field? I mean I would find it really bizzare if all US Postal workers were from Colombia or something like that.
Whichever company I go to and look at the IT team, there are an overwhelming number of Indians. I wonder why there isn’t more of a mix in terms of race.[/quote]
Well, there are 1.2 billion people from india and 1.3 billion from china. Combined, both graduate about 1 million STEM degreed kids every YEAR.
LoL, so true.
August 7, 2015 @ 1:13 PM
The way to effectively
The way to effectively compete against Indians and Chinese is to create and invent stuff that you can patent and sell. Indians and Chinese are herd mentality like the Borg collective from Star Trek. They lack creativity for the most part and tend to be risk averse. Entrepreneurs require courage to take risk and creativity out of box thinking to innovate.
August 7, 2015 @ 1:31 PM
I agree and disagree as
I agree and disagree as well.
I’d not stereotype Chinese and Indians like this.
Americans who are exposed to Chinese and Indians are the ones who are in general first generation immigrants with no social or financial support.
This kind of forces them to resort to guaranteed return careers like engineering and medicine.
The first generation chinese and indians are definitely more conservative
But this would change with next generations of chinese and indians.
Just watch it for few decades and it’d be proven with time.
August 7, 2015 @ 1:47 PM
mixxalot wrote:The way to
[quote=mixxalot]The way to effectively compete against Indians and Chinese is to create and invent stuff that you can patent and sell. Indians and Chinese are herd mentality like the Borg collective from Star Trek. They lack creativity for the most part and tend to be risk averse. Entrepreneurs require courage to take risk and creativity out of box thinking to innovate.[/quote]
75% of Americans that think they are exceptionally creative aren’t actually exceptionally creative. If they were, they wouldn’t be employees worried about being replaced by H1-B’s cheaper labor…They would be running the show… Just saying…. The reason why there’s a lot more indian and asians in tech and why more of them are succeeding is (1) there’s a lot of them, and a lot of them want it more badly then everyone else, because for them, they have nothing to lose.
August 7, 2015 @ 1:53 PM
flu wrote:
75% of Americans
[quote=flu]
75% of Americans that think they are exceptionally creative aren’t actually exceptionally creative. If they were, they wouldn’t be employees worried about being replaced by H1-B’s cheaper labor…They would be running the show… Just saying…. The reason why there’s a lot more indian and asians in tech and why more of them are succeeding is (1) there’s a lot of them, and a lot of them want it more badly then everyone else, because for them, they have nothing to lose.[/quote]
So true! I think I’m creative but my laziness is far stronger, hence I don’t run the show, that is currently running like a slow speed train wreck. Time to go lay out in the sun!
August 7, 2015 @ 2:32 PM
The world is more objectively
The world is more objectively oriented. We want objective measures of qualifications and intelligence.
The question is: how many real Americans have STEM masters or above with 4.0 gpa?
I know people who bitch a lot but their own kids are rather worthless.
Flu is right. If you think you’re that creative, then the market will reward you.
August 7, 2015 @ 3:04 PM
Regarding recruiters, there
Regarding recruiters, there is a HUGE difference if it’s an internal recruiter vs. freelance.
Internal recruiters are actually handing off resumes to hiring managers to review. So they make the pool of candidates managers pick from. It seems rare to have a phone interview with an internal recruiter and not at least get a phone interview. You may not get the job (seems like recruiters like to get 2, maybe 3 qualified candidates for each job), but the likelyhood of an interview is good.
Outside recruiters basically work for themselves. This means for contract positions you can get contacted by several recruiters about the same job. They have incentive to get you hired, but no real sway in the hiring process at all. They’re basically just a middleman in the hiring process.
August 7, 2015 @ 4:15 PM
We have a number of friends
We have a number of friends and acquaintances who are in tech fields. Some have been at the right place at the right time, and have done extremely well, but, from our discussions, it seems most worry about the future of their jobs all the time–regardless of their ethnicity.
Our kids chose medicine and the business side of the film business, as well as real estate investment (per our suggestion) and, in retrospect, we’re glad they did.
I always encourage friends who have younger kids to level with them about the challenges of the global marketplace, and to make their college and career choices wisely.
August 7, 2015 @ 3:45 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:The world is
[quote=FlyerInHi]The world is more objectively oriented. We want objective measures of qualifications and intelligence.
The question is: how many real Americans have STEM masters or above with 4.0 gpa?
I know people who bitch a lot but their own kids are rather worthless.
Flu is right. If you think you’re that creative, then the market will reward you.[/quote]
This isn’t to say I agree that this is how it should be. I am merely mentioning this is how it will be. The only way you will be able to commend a much higher comp than someone else across the ocean is if you do something that is unique that is also in demand or if you are at the top of your game. Just like US companies, you won’t be able to compete on cost alone. There are exceptions. For example, working for someone that requires security clearance.
August 7, 2015 @ 5:22 PM
Flu, I’m in agreement with
Flu, I’m in agreement with you. It’s not necessarily how it should be, but it is.
Some people have designed it that way thinking they would always be on top.
Unfortunately there will always be someone smarter, richer, better looking, harder working.
The voting rights act was in the news lately. Back before, voters had to take a test in order to vote. What if we were to administer an IQ test today?
The reality today is that excellence in education is a measure of hard-work and qualifications.
Sure, if you have connections, you can make it. But the numbers are against you. And even if you make it with connections, one day, thanks to big data, someone will ask “how did this moron make it?”
Another way is to own your own assets (like real estate), or your own business. But statistically not a good path for everyone.
August 7, 2015 @ 6:15 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:
Some people
[quote=FlyerInHi]
Some people have designed it that way thinking they would always be on top.
Unfortunately there will always be someone smarter, richer, better looking, harder working.
[/quote]
The lesson to learn here is life isn’t fair. So people need to really get over it.
[quote]
The voting rights act was in the news lately. Back before, voters had to take a test in order to vote. What if we were to administer an IQ test today?
[/quote]
Won’t ever happen because 75% of the U.S. population would fail (maybe more)….Funny part is a lot of those IQ tests I would probably do bad on simply because I suck at taking tests or doing those stupid brain teaser questions.
[quote]
The reality today is that excellence in education is a measure of hard-work and qualifications.
Sure, if you have connections, you can make it. But the numbers are against you. And even if you make it with connections, one day, thanks to big data, someone will ask “how did this moron make it?”
[/quote]
Alot of this has a lot more to do with relationships you establish in your profession and your reputation. I probably wouldn’t have been able to get my current opportunity if it wasn’t for the fact that I had a really good working relationship with some of the people at the new company. Employment hiring can really be random, you can be a total guru, and for some random reason, not get hired. Or you can be a total doofus and slip through.
Going through a traditional recruiter without knowing anyone where you are going is harder than going to a place that people can vouch for you. In some cases, they might not be an official position, and they end up creating one for you. Especially more so in this age of increased competition and many people looking, it really matters much more who you know (or more correctly, who knows you). And that’s the part I think a lot of engineers/technical people don’t get. They spend a considerable amount of time focusing only on the project ,when they do need spend a good amount of time on building relationships. It just makes things a lot easier. I hate “networking” and I don’t generally like to do it. But I do spend time making sure I build relationships with people I enjoy working with. Because you never know when they might need your help and when you might need their help. And it’s a good feeling to be able to help someone that helped you in the past and vice versa.
And let’s face it. While most of us want to think we’re exceptionally smart, most of us (inclusive) aren’t geniuses that can sell ourselves strictly on the merits of how “exceptional” we are. That’s maybe 5% of the population or less, and that’s nothing you can really do about it because you were either born gifted or not… So for the remainder 95% of the rest of us, you even the playing field by focusing on your reputation and relationships, which is completely in your control.
I would assume this is especially the case when it comes to contracting, when you need to justify why you cost much more than someone from across the ocean…
[quote]
Another way is to own your own assets (like real estate), or your own business. But statistically not a good path for everyone.[/quote]
Yes, and hopefully people learn this lesson at a much younger age than when I learned it. Ideally, when you’re in your twenties.
August 7, 2015 @ 11:29 PM
Flu, I don’t have kids, but I
Flu, I don’t have kids, but I tell my teenage nieces to save their money and invest in real estate.
For example, they could own a cheap apartment in Riveside and manage it. Good experience to juggle things and learn the stresses of life, and deal with people. Better than sit around and do useless teenage things.
I bought something on Craigslist at a place going out of business. The building is owned by an attorney who made his teenage son sell all the stuff left behind. The kid didn’t seem to like having to meet me. I got a good deal.
Honestly, I’d rather own a few properties, run around and do what needs done than work in an office having to wonder if the job is stable. In today’s new economy, there are many things you can do as an independent contractor. But still get good grades and go to college as an insurance policy. Plus college makes people more intellectually curious and broad minded.
Incidentally, Obamacare is great for folks who don’t want to be tied down to any particular job.
August 14, 2015 @ 9:10 AM
mixxalot wrote:The way to
[quote=mixxalot]The way to effectively compete against Indians and Chinese is to create and invent stuff that you can patent and sell. Indians and Chinese are herd mentality like the Borg collective from Star Trek. They lack creativity for the most part and tend to be risk averse. Entrepreneurs require courage to take risk and creativity out of box thinking to innovate.[/quote]
Although I might take exception with some of your generalizations, I would say your first sentence is spot on no matter who you want to compete with (although trademarks are often more valuable than patents – COKE, CRAYOLA, etc – so are copyrights). Create and protect an asset that you are in control of. If you are completely dependent on others to create your job you will always feel yanked around, even if you’re at the top of the food chain.
August 7, 2015 @ 10:38 AM
Not just IT..
QCOM engg team
Not just IT..
QCOM engg team is full of Indians
A lot of doctors are Indians
Anything which is high paying with hard work/studies not with connections/networking, you’d find first generation immigrant Indians..
A wave of second generation is now getting ready for other high profile high power networking centric professions…
August 7, 2015 @ 1:33 PM
I just want my kid to go to
I just want my kid to go to medical school or vet school and not deal with this…
August 7, 2015 @ 9:11 PM
Then again, maybe our younger
Then again, maybe our younger generation are more positive then us old farts…
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/06/technology/ilooklikeanengineer-billboard/index.html
August 9, 2015 @ 10:40 PM
I think there is real
I think there is real shortage of IT Talent based on current needs. Any IT company these days uses about 10 different technologies out of 100+ different technologies available for essentially developing some web application. so just calculate all permutations & combination are possible with all those technologies.
People don’t realize that if someone is good at A1 then s/he can learn A2 etc much faster. Recruiters look for someone with only A2 skill but not A1 even though its very similar.
just look at technical requirements of this job. there might be ton of people with .net experience but if you take all other technologies into account you may not find 1 person in san diego with all those skills.
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/sof/5161743396.html
so going forward these 100 technologies becomes 200 or 300 and permutations and combinations will go much higher and availability of the people with your specific skill set go down.
I think its a never ending problem unless someone logically thinks and sets the much broader criteria for the selection process and more than mere technical skills someone should have problem solving skills.
August 10, 2015 @ 7:22 AM
usr145 wrote:I think there is
[quote=usr145]I think there is real shortage of IT Talent based on current needs. Any IT company these days uses about 10 different technologies out of 100+ different technologies available for essentially developing some web application. so just calculate all permutations & combination are possible with all those technologies.
People don’t realize that if someone is good at A1 then s/he can learn A2 etc much faster. Recruiters look for someone with only A2 skill but not A1 even though its very similar.
just look at technical requirements of this job. there might be ton of people with .net experience but if you take all other technologies into account you may not find 1 person in san diego with all those skills.
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/sof/5161743396.html
so going forward these 100 technologies becomes 200 or 300 and permutations and combinations will go much higher and availability of the people with your specific skill set go down.
I think its a never ending problem unless someone logically thinks and sets the much broader criteria for the selection process and more than mere technical skills someone should have problem solving skills.[/quote]
Companies like to throw the “kitchen sink” at skillsets one needs when they start looking for a new hire. But it’s unlikely the person that ends up getting hired will have more than 3-4 of the listed skills this employer wants. So it becomes a waiting game. The employer is just going to camp out waiting for the ideal candidate, and about 2 weeks before the req. ends up disappearing, they are going to find a candidate, and he/she won’t have anywhere close to those skills listed. This job listing is probably fairly new. Give it another 2-3 months, and the employer will be much more flexible in the candidate it is seeking. It’s the way some of these companies roll…It doesn’t matter how good you really are right now. If you interview with this company right when the job was posted, there is a high probability you won’t get the job, because will want to see “who is better out there”…Give it another 2-3 months, after they passed a lot of good candidates, and they get sick of trying to find one, and finance telling them that the position will disappear if they don’t fill it, then they’ll end up hiring someone of much lesser qualification, out of desperation to fill it….I see it happen all the time.
August 10, 2015 @ 8:49 AM
I don’t know if there is a
I don’t know if there is a talent shortage…but there is certainly an overabundance of under qualified individuals who have been bluffing their way through their career.
I’ve been interviewing people over the last year and started giving them a variant of the FizzBuzz test (which any freshman programmer ought to be able to complete). You’d be amazed at the number of people with a decade of experience who couldn’t complete this simple programming task.
I find that most of the people you want to hire are rarely on the market.
August 10, 2015 @ 9:48 AM
meadandale wrote:
I’ve been
[quote=meadandale]
I’ve been interviewing people over the last year and started giving them a variant of the FizzBuzz test (which any freshman programmer ought to be able to complete). You’d be amazed at the number of people with a decade of experience who couldn’t complete this simple programming task.[/quote]
I agree that fizzbuzz is a pretty straightforward test of writing a simple algorithm but I can’t remember the last time I used a modulus operator in real world code.
August 10, 2015 @ 1:31 PM
livinincali wrote:meadandale
[quote=livinincali][quote=meadandale]
I’ve been interviewing people over the last year and started giving them a variant of the FizzBuzz test (which any freshman programmer ought to be able to complete). You’d be amazed at the number of people with a decade of experience who couldn’t complete this simple programming task.[/quote]
I agree that fizzbuzz is a pretty straightforward test of writing a simple algorithm but I can’t remember the last time I used a modulus operator in real world code.[/quote]
I just did on friday. I guess it depends on the type of code you write.
August 10, 2015 @ 1:54 PM
meadandale wrote:livinincali
[quote=meadandale][quote=livinincali][quote=meadandale]
I’ve been interviewing people over the last year and started giving them a variant of the FizzBuzz test (which any freshman programmer ought to be able to complete). You’d be amazed at the number of people with a decade of experience who couldn’t complete this simple programming task.[/quote]
I agree that fizzbuzz is a pretty straightforward test of writing a simple algorithm but I can’t remember the last time I used a modulus operator in real world code.[/quote]
I just did on friday. I guess it depends on the type of code you write.[/quote]Yep, it all depends on the type of code you write. I’ve never used it in my entire career.
August 10, 2015 @ 10:05 AM
usr145 wrote:
just look at
[quote=usr145]
just look at technical requirements of this job. there might be ton of people with .net experience but if you take all other technologies into account you may not find 1 person in san diego with all those skills.
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/sof/5161743396.html
[/quote]
I guess that’s the one problem with so many open source projects where a standard hasn’t quite emerged yet. Some of those tools are probably here to stay especially with large players behind stuff like Angular (Google). Others will fall by the wayside and frankly they aren’t doing anything revolutionary or new. Bower is just another package manager, nothing particularly special about it.
August 10, 2015 @ 12:49 PM
livinincali wrote:
I guess
[quote=livinincali]
I guess that’s the one problem with so many open source projects where a standard hasn’t quite emerged yet. Some of those tools are probably here to stay especially with large players behind stuff like Angular (Google). Others will fall by the wayside and frankly they aren’t doing anything revolutionary or new. Bower is just another package manager, nothing particularly special about it.[/quote]
That’s certainly one problem. Another one is that this employer is apparently looking for someone who is a UI designer, frontend developer, backend developer, product manager, and database administrator. They don’t show the compensation offered (“depends on experience”), but I’m guessing it’s below the $250k+/year they’d need to offer to actually find someone who has competency in all of that.
August 10, 2015 @ 1:33 PM
jeff303 wrote:livinincali
[quote=jeff303][quote=livinincali]
I guess that’s the one problem with so many open source projects where a standard hasn’t quite emerged yet. Some of those tools are probably here to stay especially with large players behind stuff like Angular (Google). Others will fall by the wayside and frankly they aren’t doing anything revolutionary or new. Bower is just another package manager, nothing particularly special about it.[/quote]
That’s certainly one problem. Another one is that this employer is apparently looking for someone who is a UI designer, frontend developer, backend developer, product manager, and database administrator. They don’t show the compensation offered (“depends on experience”), but I’m guessing it’s below the $250k+/year they’d need to offer to actually find someone who has competency in all of that.[/quote]
Agree, our company is segmented between FE and BE. I stopped keeping up with FE tech a few years ago because I specialize in BE. Half those requirements are for skills/techs are specific to FE development.
August 10, 2015 @ 1:56 PM
jeff303 wrote:
That’s
[quote=jeff303]
That’s certainly one problem. Another one is that this employer is apparently looking for someone who is a UI designer, frontend developer, backend developer, product manager, and database administrator. They don’t show the compensation offered (“depends on experience”), but I’m guessing it’s below the $250k+/year they’d need to offer to actually find someone who has competency in all of that.[/quote]
Not sure the size of this organization but certainly in the realm of small shop startups you don’t necessarily have separate FE and BE teams. I guess it depends on how much experience they want. Somebody that can get something working from front to back that is likely sub optimal in some area or a really solid front to back implementation. I think most companies have that legacy code base that nobody wants to look at because it was done in the heyday by some fly by night programmer that had no idea what they were doing, but it worked.
August 10, 2015 @ 8:05 PM
That smells of small company.
That smells of small company. LinkedIn shows them as 200-500 employees.
You see a lot of those kinds of job postings where it will be title VP IT or Director IT and proceed to list skills for hands on network management, SQL queries, DB management, backups, server builds, email, security, patching, etc. might as well just say be the IT person.
August 12, 2015 @ 1:35 PM
Maybe a sociological factor.
Maybe a sociological factor.
Could it be that as tech becomes more dominated by Asians, Whites are perceived as less smart? Or maybe not less smart, but more lackadaisical and less willing to put in the hard work, especially in production.
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/caixin/2015/07/silicon_valley_white_asian_divide_why_families_self_segregate_and_what_can.html
I mean, you can’t chill, play football, smoke weed and have fun and expect to get good grades and prestigious degrees that lead to well-paying tech careers.
Put yourself in the position of the recruiter. For production work, would you rather hire a B student from San Diego State, or an honor student from IIT.
August 10, 2015 @ 9:53 AM
For me that hates those brain
For me that hates those brain teaser software interview questions, I was preparing for the worst from companies like Google. I ended up signing up for a refresher at Interviewcake.com. turns out I never went through with the Google interview, because I found something down here and wanted to leave the Google option open for the future (1 year interview cycle). Plus hopefully Google decides to expand the San Diego company they just bought a few months ago.