Irony: Trump the liberal

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Submitted by EconProf on June 1, 2018 - 8:09am

In terms of accomplishing liberals' goals, Trump should be applauded. On many fronts--not all--he is succeeding. A booming economy, record low unemployment, wages picking up steam, state tax revenues exceeding all predictions. These are priorities liberals say they want. Perhaps that's why his popularity is climbing.
Overseas he is bringing North Koreas to the negotiating table, convinced NATO "allies" to up their defense budget, and stood up to Syria and ISIS.
Is all this why the Blue Wave in the upcoming midterm election is looking more like a ripple?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 3, 2018 - 9:05am.

Econprof, does that mean you are leaving?
Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Btw, AZ, NV, and TX are only a decade or two behind CA, but the latter 2 have no income taxes, Something to consider.

I was a great student, and I remember well what my Econ Prof taught me. Mobility of labor means efficiency and wealth creation.
If you look the bright tech sector of the economy, the great majority of workers come from elsewhere outside of California. That's very good. It means that we are attracting talent that can thrive in our economy. We want the turnover of people coming and going. It's like refreshing the population.

Submitted by zk on June 3, 2018 - 1:50pm.

EconProf wrote:

Whatever you may think of Trump personally, he is accomplishing objectives that liberals claimed to want. The irony is delicious.

Aw, EconProf, you poor little guy. This is all you have left to cling to, isn't it? A made-up narrative supported only by the standard half-truths, misinterpreted statistics, wishful thinking and distraction sold by right-wing spinners.

In truth, Trump is "accomplishing" next to nothing. Unless you count reducing our standing in the world, weakening the rule of law in our country, freeing racists and misogynists and islamophobes to speak up, giving rich people a tax cut that our children and grandchildren will pay for, and probably starting a trade war.

But good for you! You've found your happy place where none of that is real, trump is great for liberals, and America is great "again." Did they give you a lollipop and a pat on the head, too?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 3, 2018 - 12:00pm.

I don't know much about farming, but it seems like food prices are dropping because China is buying less or has threatened to. The markets responded accordingly. I embrace lower food prices. Good for my budget, so thank you, Trump!

Submitted by spdrun on June 3, 2018 - 5:18pm.

EconProf: assuming a moderately well-run "Medicare for all" system, the question isn't whether taxes would increase. The question is whether the average tax increase will be less or greater than the average person or company currently pays (per employee or person) for health care. Being able to pawn "benefits" off onto the government (i.e. "buy in" to Medicare for their employees for a known % of their income) and not have to deal with the shitshow known as benefits management would actually make life easier for a lot of employers.

I don't presently live in CA, but if it gets passed, I'll be on a plane the next day. Not having to worry about private insurance is a Godsend and one less thing to stress on.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 3, 2018 - 7:42pm.

I’m surprised that an economist doesn’t think on a macro level. If I remember, we spend less than 20% of GDP on health care. If we can improve aggregate health outcomes and spend less then we have more money to spend on other things. Trump said it would be so easy. It should be irrelevant whether health care is government run or not.

I’m with you spdrun. I hardly use health care, and I don’t want health insurance or signing up or all the crap. It should be show your Social Security card and be eligible for coverage.

Medicare is also crap in an advanced society IMO. It should be government run like the VA. I’m Ok with rationing (don’t like it? You can supplement with private insurance.)

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 9, 2018 - 11:52am.

Econprof is right but not in the ways he enumerated.

On trade and protectionism, Trump is very much like Jesse Jackson. Remember, Clinton signed NAFTA against Democrats.

On immigrantion, Trump is like the unions of the 1970s who feared competition from new immigrants. Since then, Democrats have become more cosmopolitan and multi-cultural

On Korea, Trump is talking to Kim at the highest levels without preconditions. That's something that hardliners would have never allowed before.

On Russia and China, Trump is weak. Anyone like that would have been accused of being a "commie." Like readmiting Russia to G7.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on June 12, 2018 - 8:13am.

I would take any California democrats promise of universal healthcare with a very large dose of skepticism.

As I said before they have already voted it down at least twice.

They seem very much in the pockets of the insurance companies.

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