Idiot SUV owners have trouble selling

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Submitted by TheBreeze on May 6, 2008 - 7:42am

This story warms my heart:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massach...

It seems that idiot SUV owners are going broke paying for gas and the entire gaggle of these morons is trying to unload these monstrosities at once. Not surprisingly, they're finding it difficult to find another greedy dimwit to take the unpractical, resource-hogging land boats off their hands.

I hope all of these morons take a huge collective bath. These people have been wasting resources and unnecessarily destroying the environment for years because they deemed it their God-given right to do so. I wonder how many of these nitwits are Bush voters? Probably greater than 90% I would imagine.

Submitted by OB Economist on May 6, 2008 - 8:08am.

Yes I too have problems feeling sorry for these people. They have blindly following the advice of Madison Avenue and Dick Cheney with no thought to the unsustainability of their behavior. Our tax code also encouraged this insanity.

I have friends who own a beauty salon. They were able to buy a massive Ford SUV (it has to be over 6,000 lbs gross vehicle weight to qualify) for their "business" and qualify for a tax CREDIT (not deduction). They have never hauled one bottle of shampoo or moved a salon chair in it.

Worse yet these vehicles have less stringent CAFE standards and some have less smog equipment. Meanwhile us bike commuters and hatchback drivers get blown off the road while these people are oblivious. I just feel sorry for the children who have these idiots as role models.

Submitted by macmichael on May 6, 2008 - 8:28am.

As oil passes $ 122 a barrel and the sight of future $ 5.00 gas starts coming into view only a fool will not recognize the day of the big SUV is over and none too soon. Peak oil is a reality and the motoring ways of the US will be due for major major changes in teh next few years.

The vast majority of all the big SUV buyers now and in the last several years will be so upside down it will be unbelievable. I lived through 1974 and 1978 and when gas prices / shortages went through the roof you couldn't give away big sedans and station wagons. Several recent articles speak to how used car dealers are reluctant to even buy SUV's for resale because they aren't reselling.

Submitted by bsrsharma on May 6, 2008 - 8:28am.

Look at the positive side of this! You can get a new or slightly used large vehicle for peanuts. I saw an ad for a brand new Jeep from a dealer for under $10K (not sure if 4WD). That is less than price of a Kia or Hyundai subcompact. If you don't drive a lot, this may even be a good deal. I heard they are not taking SUVs for trade in anymore. You may see offers to sell a near new SUV for a couple of thousands.

Only bad thing is that the Big Three auto who depend on large vehicles for profits will be driven to bankruptcy.

Submitted by raptorduck on May 6, 2008 - 8:39am.

Guilty as charged, on all counts (I am even a moron). Except I will not be selling my land boat any time soon. I even miss that Hummer H2 I once had. I might trade it in on a new one though. Prices are good now.

Submitted by NotCranky on May 6, 2008 - 8:45am.

Maybe these SUV's can be converted into affordable housing or maybe homeless shelters?

Submitted by h82rent on May 6, 2008 - 8:50am.

Just a little non-scientific info on who buys what type of car...

http://autos.aol.com/article/truck/_a/re...

I think the demographics are as expected, but it's not nearly as one-sided as some might think.

I don't declare myself as any party. I'm so sick of people spending so much time blaming and bashing ideas from the other parties, rather than rolling up their sleeves, and working through both ideas to get to the best solution.

I truly hope when we get a Democratic president in a few months (it's inevitable, right), that the country will turn on a dime, and everything will be wonderful. But forgive me if it's just not that easy, that working out the scientific and major geopolitical issues such as energy is going to be very complex, and will require intelligent, open-minded people from this country as well as the world.

And I’d love our country to have a strong sense of pride again. I really hope all the changes that are promised under a new president will come true. Time will tell…

Submitted by dharmagirl on May 6, 2008 - 9:09am.

Rustico,

Love your sense of humor!

There is an actually an architect who makes interesting "green" homes out of old shipping containers...why not SUVs? That could be interesting!

I was at the Leisure Living (Tem) closeout sale over the weekend (kind of a joke in my opinion...prices were way too high).

As I pulled into the lot - in my Prius - I was stunned by the sea of SUVs glinting in the sunlight.

I think gas will have to get to the $5+ per gallon before people WAKE UP.

It's amazing.

Submitted by meadandale on May 6, 2008 - 9:49am.

Good lord, what bunch of birkenstock wearing tree huggers.

I own a ford F150. I actually USE it for, you know, hauling stuff to the dump or home from Home Depot.

I can't really do any of that in a Prius or an Accord.

However, I recycle virtually everything possible, I compost yard waste and kitchen scraps, I drink filtered tap water. I make my own damn coffee at home and I have an organic garden in my back yard.

How many of you big car haters actually live your life you way you'd insist others do?

Submitted by luchabee on May 6, 2008 - 9:52am.

I might try to deflate a little bit of the smugness on this board when it comes to SUVs. (I'm pretty conservative, but I drive a boring American sedan.) However, there is much to be said for larger cars for protecting families. Like many of the unintended consquences of the "Green" movement (food shortgages because of ethanol and limited domestic oil production), our highway fatalities will likely increase with many people driving in hybrids and cars like the Honda "Fit." If I had a family, I would likely drive the largest car I could afford to fuel (while acknowledging that SOME of the SUVs are prone to rollovers).

Concerning increased deaths from smaller cars, here is a recent study below showing the correclation between higher CAFE standards and highway fatalities. (Many of you green types will have wished you were in a larger car as traffic suddently stops before you on the freeway and you've got no place to go.)

God love 'em for their concern for the environment (and attempting to keep us off foreign oil, etc.), but I find many of my single liberal friends only see the world through their lense and have a difficult time putting themselves into other people's shoes. If you have a family . . . you do not want to be cramming the two children you love more than anything in a Prius. I've even heard flack about mini-vans being too large . . . again they didn't have any kids. Why not strap the kids on a backpack and take them around on a motorcycle?

Here's the information on the CAFE standards and increased highway deaths: http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA546CAFE...

Submitted by seattle-relo on May 6, 2008 - 10:08am.

Gheez, what about the gas guzzling audi's and bmw's? My husband's audi gets almost as bad gas mileage as my explorer...maybe we should get them off the road too!

Submitted by nostradamus on May 6, 2008 - 10:09am.

I have friends who drive all kinds of cars, including the big ones. The reason I don't like huge vehicles is because the drivers feel overly confident in them and tend to tailgate or use less caution when they feel protected by their 5 tons of metal. I also don't like them because they block the view, you can't see around them or over them. For me it has nothing to do with gas consumption. Also, they just plain take up too much space (on the road, in the parking lot, wherever). If you've ever traveled you'd know why there is such an auto trade deficit: our vehicles don't fit on foreign roads.

I must admit that it's good to have friends with trucks, so I can hit them up when I need some junk hauled!!! ;D

Submitted by blahblahblah on May 6, 2008 - 10:15am.

Concerning increased deaths from smaller cars, here is a recent study below showing the correclation between higher CAFE standards and highway fatalities. (Many of you green types will have wished you were in a larger car as traffic suddently stops before you on the freeway and you've got no place to go.)

SUVs are not safer than regular cars, heavier cars are not safer than lighter cars in general. They are harder to steer in an emergency, they don't handle as well, and they don't stop as fast. It's simple physics. They do however transmit a lot more energy to their target in an accident. So if you just want to protect your family but you don't give a shit about anyone else (like 99% of Americans), drive a big old Excursion. That way when you run into a Prius after losing control at 80mph on I5 you'll kill the hippie family driving it but you might make it out allright. It's the American way.

Check out High And Mighty for more on this topic...

Submitted by NotCranky on May 6, 2008 - 10:26am.

I drive a f-250 7.3L. I like the metric system because it is more honest. The motor is named for how much gas it drinks per mile. When my redneck friends ask me what size motor it has I tell them "It's a two Galloner!".
I use it for hauling, towing and driving hybrids off the road.

I am starting to get self conscious even though I only drive it about 5k miles per year. Just waiting for that surreal moment when blood starts popping out of my hands while I am putting that pump to the tank. Might drip some on my birkenstocks.

Submitted by lostkitty on May 6, 2008 - 10:32am.

I have an Acura MDX that I love love love. Fits the kids, the cello, the friends perfectly and drives well in any sort of snow situation (which I have a lot of). I'd like to drive it until either it dies or I do.
The lease on it is coming due soon (yes, you may all spank me for having leased it in the first place - I know better now) and I actually want to buy the car. Residual on it is way too high though. Much higher than it would fetch on the market. Will dealerships negotiate the buyout price? They'll not get the buyout price for it - so if they dont negotiate with me I'll just turn it in and get something else. Or go buy someone else's used MDX for less!

Submitted by us858 on May 6, 2008 - 10:43am.

Don't you see the America is going another wrong direction? instead of researching smaller/gas efficient car (like the japanese Auto), they'd just coming out of all sort of hybrid version of Tahoe, Sierra, F-150 etc.

We're just stuck with huge SUV no matter what.

The Tahoe Hybrid got hopping 21/22 MPG vs 12/19. An average 25% saving on gas!

Submitted by Aecetia on May 6, 2008 - 10:51am.

My 1984 VW Rabbit gets great mileage. Can't say the same for the H3.

Submitted by jennyo on May 6, 2008 - 10:54am.

We have a 3/4 ton 4WD Suburban that we use for towing a boat, camping, and hauling our dogs and other things when needed. It mostly sits in the driveway. We put about 3,000 miles a year on it. It has vinyl bench seats, hand-roll-up windows, and smells a bit like dog. Totally classy.

Filling it up is definitely expensive (40-gallon tank), but we don't have to do it very often. My husband rides his bike to work and I drive a 4-cylinder Accord.

There have always been practical uses for these beasts, even during the gas-crunches of the 70s, but when they became a blingy status symbol things just got ridiculous.

Submitted by barnaby33 on May 6, 2008 - 11:03am.

Part of the reason they became a blingy status symbol is that Detroit figured out how to make them accelerate and handle much more like cars. If they drove like big heavy boats, only people who had some sort of need to would drive them.

Rather than rehash the points that others have made I'll just say that 4-5 dollar a gallon gas will fix the problem, ah the magic of the market.

Its already costing me 60 plus to fill the tank on my 4Runner, I can only imagine what an F-250 or Suburban costs to fill.

Josh

Submitted by Dukehorn on May 6, 2008 - 11:05am.

No one is mocking the pick-up or SUV owners that actually use the trucks for some utility. I haul a few kayaks and bikes with my SUV (along with two Siberian huskies).

BUT, when I'm wearing my Birks and sandals and loading up my truck and I see a Hummer with a 50 year old executive dressed in business casual, you really do have to snicker.

To each is own, but now that a fill-up of my Jeep is around $90, I drive the Mazda3 a lot more (and bike quite a lot).

Submitted by blahblahblah on May 6, 2008 - 11:12am.

Also, has anyone noticed that people are driving slower on the freeways these days? I recently slowed down to the legal speed limit when driving (used to speed -- I know it's bad) and my mileage has improved significantly from 26mpg to 29mpg+. Maybe others are doing the same...

Submitted by raptorduck on May 6, 2008 - 11:26am.

Fer the record, I have had a 2002 or later Ford F150, Hummer H2 (9mpg), a M class Benz, a Ford Freestyle (supposidly economical lighweight SUV for the environmentally concious), and currently own an Audi Q7. The best gas milage from that group I got was from the F150, which was also the most practical car I have ever had as I used it to haul absolultely everything, including 6 people and 2 motorcycles. BTW. My "giant" Q7 gets better gas milage than that Freestyle did (turns out CVT transmissions are not so economical on gas).

I also read recently that it takes 13 yrs for a Prius buyer to recoup the extra cost of buying the car in gas savings at current gas prices vs the cost to buy a comprable quality/type gas powered one plus costs to service a Prius vs a gas alternative. Of course, hopefully you drive the Prius to save the environment (and to clog the commuter lane) and not to save $$, but this thread seems to be about saving $$ and not the environment.

While I admit to having owned and currently owning gas guzzlers, my contribution to the environment(and my wallet) is to turn a 1-1.5hr commute to 5-10 min on a 2 seater or motorcycle depending on the weather. I also commutted to work for 6 years on a bicycle, when that was possible.

I still miss my Hummer though. With the drivers on the road driving the way they do, it was indeed nice to cruise in that thing, while hauling a trailer and feel like you were in a tank. It was also the best off road vehicle I have ever owned. It could go virtually anywhere and Tahoe trips in blizzards were a breeze.

Submitted by CardiffBaseball on May 6, 2008 - 11:35am.

I drive a Chevy Impala. I'd prefer to drive some kind of truck so that my trunk wasn't always full of baseball gear but as it stands I don't want to buy anything new right now.

The Impala provides for I think, pretty good gas mileage, whilst at the same time I am able to step on the gas and blow by the little dude in the Prius. Thus I want my sedan to allow me to exceed the speed limit by my comfortable range (5-7 MPH) and allow for better acceleration when the situation calls for it. I am totally happy with the Impala. I honestly know nothing about Japanese cars and have no idea what the comparable sedan's are though I am pretty sure one is the Camry. On a trip I rented a Camry and it didn't have the same pickup, whereas an Avalon did.

Submitted by CBad on May 6, 2008 - 11:46am.

Geez, thanks to some of you out there for a bit of rational thinking and perspective. How many miles do you drive a year and how much of the time are you the only person in the car? Because if someone owns a truck or SUV and drives 3,5,7K miles a year they are still way under any prius driver commuting vast amounts every day alone. We own a smaller SUV and a truck and I bet my environmental footprint is a lot smaller than yours. And guess what, we're not under water and we don't need to sell them. Also, whenever I get into my SUV, I have at least 3 other passengers with me and often 4. So my SUV averages 64-115mpg. Also, we walk or ride bikes for various every day needs like shopping and school. You? My husband also bikes to work 2 days a week and rides his motorcycle one day a week. Yeah, I'm betting we kick most prius drivers a** when you take a closer look.

Submitted by jennyo on May 6, 2008 - 11:52am.

Have any of you seen the South Park episode where the parents start buying Priuses? It talks about the vast amounts of "Smug" emitted by Prius drivers. Pretty funny episode.

Submitted by DrChaos on May 6, 2008 - 12:08pm.

"Good lord, what bunch of birkenstock wearing tree huggers.

I own a ford F150. I actually USE it for, you know, hauling stuff to the dump or home from Home Depot.

I can't really do any of that in a Prius or an Accord."

I'm a 'tree hugger' and wear normal shoes, but I don't have a problem with this. Really, few people do.

That's not a problem. That's the way it used to be, when truck owners owned trucks because they needed to. And trucks were 15% of vehicle sales, not 50%.

Take a look next time you drive in a city.

What fraction of full-sized trucks and SUV's are carrying more than 15% of their cargo capacity or towing something?

In reality, less than 5%. I bet 98% haven't towed anything in a year, and 70% of trucks, and 95% of SUV's haven't hauled anything more strenuous than a sofa or mattress, once, in the last year.

that's the problem.

If people want to park their land tugs and save them for the twice a year camping and hauling (or daily productive work), no problem.

Most likely is huge knobby (bad mileage, bad performance), chromed wheels, massively lifted (bad handling + safety), and completely shiny with no dirt and a pristine bed cover, not removed in months.

Think about it this way: those posers are wasting your gas, and costing you much more money. You should be mad at them, not the treehuggers. These vain 'dudes' are screwing the tradesmen and professional truckers who use their trucks for economically productive work.

Submitted by four walling on May 6, 2008 - 12:23pm.

I am a happy SUV idiot.

Here is our household car history since 1995:

1995 Range Rover (sold)
1995 Toyota Corolla (sold)
2002 Toyota Highlander (sold)
2004 Cayenne S (sold)
2006 Range Rover Sport S/C (current) YING
2008 Prius (current) YANG

There is no substitute for an SUV to make those Home Depot runs. However, at 47 MPG, the Prius is a fascinating vehicle.

From a financial standpoint it does not make sense to sell the R Rover. In the same vein, it did not make a lot of financial sense to purchase a Prius, but it is a "cool" (to me) car.

I do, however, think that I should get a license plate frame for the R Rover that says:

MY OTHER CAR IS A PRIUS.

Submitted by kev374 on May 6, 2008 - 12:43pm.

Some of the new crossovers (RX, FX etc.) combine the efficiency of a car and the look, space and utility of an SUV. There is no reason to buy a true gas guzzling SUV unless you plan to tread on the Rubicon trail on a regular basis.

BTW, I drive a Nissan Frontier, but it's a 4cyl so it gives me 24mpg. Also, since I used to race motorcycles I NEEDED it to transport my bikes to the racetrack. I made a concious decision to avoid the 6cyl even though the 4cyl is a bit difficult to use due to it's lack of power, I just could NOT accept 15mpg of the V6.

Submitted by LAAFTERHOURS on May 6, 2008 - 12:56pm.

4s Renter

Volvo XC driver here. Bought it to lug our 90 lb dog and kids and their stuff around. Wife drives a prius - company car. Id prefer to not drive an SUV but she wanted a safe SUV for our family and it serves its purpose. I wish the MPG was a lot better and if there was a way to reprogam the onboard computer, Id outlay the cash to do it.

Submitted by SHILOH on May 6, 2008 - 1:03pm.

Can some of the engineers weigh in on the "water-Power" technology....
This report says the military is going to use it on their Hummers - with a gas/water engine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZOsOB3z3IE
It's ...H2O to HHO..?

Is the hydrogen safe to use like this?

Submitted by dharmagirl on May 6, 2008 - 1:23pm.

Wow! Don't Californians get testy when someone challenges/comments on their car choice. Yowza.

I have no problem, either, with people who own trucks because they need them. There are plenty of people here in Temecula who need to pull horse trailers, boats, or use trucks for farming.

What I take issue with is the big, shiny "status symbol" SUVs. The fancy Escalades and other "blingy" cars. When I'm doing 71 mph on I-15 - and those vehicle angrily pass me and give me a dirty look, I just smirk at them. They either have no clue as to how inefficiently they are driving and/or dont care.

I'm sorry - I dont buy the excuse that you "need" a huge vehicle for kids. It's a "want" not a "need." I have friends who have kids and live in Europe. Yes, Europe has better public transport options than SoCA does...but my friends' kids play soccer, tennis, take cello lessons, etc and they seem to do just FINE without gas guzzling vehicles.

As I said earlier, we'll see how much people love/need their SUVs when gas is $5.37/gallon.

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