I hate HAMILTON

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 22, 2020 - 10:49am

Only watched half so far on DISNEY, but i so far hate this beloved musical.

I hate the rapping. Its lame.

Im not crazy about founding father stories.

Im also lately of the opinion that things would be better here if we had never revolted, like canada, and just slowly grew away. Or maybe if we were still part of a british empire

Submitted by zk on July 22, 2020 - 1:18pm.

I watched it the other day. It was not at all what I expected.I hadn't heard anything about it except how great almost everybody thought it was.

If I'd known it was mostly rap/hip hop I wouldn't have gotten my expectations up. The first "song" was a super irritating rap piece. I paused it to read some reviews, and they talked about how many genres of music were in the show. So I was hoping it would improve. But it was dominated by rap. I only enjoyed very brief parts of it, particularly the guy who played King George and also an occasional funny joke or gag. I couldn't stand the guy who played Jefferson. Super hammy and not nearly as entertaining as he seemed to think he was.

I wouldn't say I hated it, but I did dislike it for sure.

I think a lot of the love for it is due to its inclusive qualities. Which isn't a great reason to love entertainment, if you ask me. It's either entertaining or it's not. And, to me, Hamilton was for the most part not entertaining.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 22, 2020 - 2:02pm.

I would say it sucked, which is just surprising to me, due to overwhelming love for it. Usually i feel like the crowd isnt 100 perc wrong, that if its universally hailed, its got to be at least ok.

I really expected to love it, and in fact went in with a completely positive excited viewpoint.

I wouldnt mind rap, but this rap s u c k s.

Repetitive sounding rap, done for suburban white people?

The storytelling....sucks.

Its just not moving. It seems like nonsense. Bad songs...not really funny. However

The king george bits are hilarious and awesome, though, i agree. Perfect little cameo. Just the right touch of effiminacy to be creepily terrifying. I expected more of that level of interestingness.

I was 100% bored.

Submitted by Hatfield on July 22, 2020 - 5:38pm.

Heard the soundtrack when it came out. Gave it 10 minutes and I was done. Zero desire to watch it. I hate rap and hip hop. Not my thing.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 22, 2020 - 6:12pm.

Hatfield wrote:
Heard the soundtrack when it came out. Gave it 10 minutes and I was done. Zero desire to watch it. I hate rap and hip hop. Not my thing.

I think its a little visually interesting.

The soundtrack alone would be much worse.

Submitted by svelte on July 23, 2020 - 2:56pm.

yeah. Theater is not our thing.

We try when we visit NYC. When in Rome and all.

The last time we sat in the back row. Had someone famous in it, can't remember who. So boring. I got up to get a wine in the concession stand. Was followed there and back by an usher with a flashlight. Annoying. It got so bad we started whispering to each other to break the monotony. Gay couple in front of us glared at me.

We've got friends in the Napa area that love that stuff. They met while they were in a play (onstage) in SF. They can have it. They were talking about Hamilton all the time when it was the rage. To each their own. Life is all the theater I need.

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 23, 2020 - 8:50pm.

Grew up going to theatre. My big sister worked on Broadway as well as music industry. Love Hamilton. Saw it in San Diego and on Broadway. Sitting in Palm Desert watching it again with my daughter. Loved it everytime, love it now. Sorry lame old white dudes. Go back to listening to the same old music you've probably been listening to since high school.. You know it's true.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 23, 2020 - 9:10pm.

No. Not true. Hamilton is sucky rap. Not real artful rap.

I did not listen obsessively to jazz in hs like i do now...

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 23, 2020 - 9:42pm.

More directed to others but then what real rap do you like? What music did you listen to by a new artist? Last 5 years? 10 years?

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 23, 2020 - 10:14pm.

Ok, i dont actually like rap, but ive tried many rap artists. I was told id like A TRIBE CALLED QUEST recently but, alas, did not.

I've asked rap fans for other artists and spotified dozens of the songs, but the only one that's really spoken to me is YOU A STUPID HO by nikki minaj. That is definitely a work of art, and i truly mean that. I also reallllllly like the video.

https://youtu.be/T6j4f8cHBIM

I dont see how anyone could dislike STUPID HO.

But even a rap dilletante like myself can spot the diffrrence between interesting rhythms and the boring repetitive hamilton stuff that sounds like a studrnt project type rhyming.

As opposed to minajsreal art:

I get it cracking like a bad back
Bitch talkin she the queen when she looking like a lab rat
I'm Angelina, you Jennifer come on bitch you see where Brad at?
Ice my wrist-es then I piss on bitches
You could suck my diznick, if you take these jizzes
You don't like them disses, give my ass some kisses
Yeah they know what this is, give bitches the business
Cause I pull up and I'm stuntin but I ain't a stuntman
Yes I'm rockin Jordans but I ain't a jumpman
Bitches play the back cuz they know I'm the frontman
Put me on a dollar cause I'm who they trust in
Ayo SB, what the fuck's good?
We ship platinum, them bitches is shippin wood
Them nappy headed hoes, but my kitchen good
I wish I wish I wish I wish a bitch would
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, yeah you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, yeah you a you a stupid hoe
Look Bubbles, go back to ya habitat
MJ gone and I ain't havin that
How you gonna be the stunt double to the nigga monkey??
Top of that I'm in the Phantom lookin hella chonky
Ice my wrist-es then I piss on bitches
You could suck my diznick, if you take these jizzes
You don't like them disses, give my ass some kisses
Yeah they know what this is, give bitches the business
'Cause I pull up in the Porsche but it ain't de Rossi
Pretty bitches only could get in my posse
Yes my name is Roman, last name is Zolanski
But no relation to Roman Polanski
Hey, yo Baby Bop, fuck you and your EP
Who's gassing this ho? BP?
Hmm.. thinks 1, 2, 3, do the Nicki Minaj blink
'Cause these hoes so busted, hoes is so crusty
These bitches is my sons and I don't want custody
Hoes so busted, hoes is so crusty these bitches is my sons and I don't want custody
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, yeah you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, you a you a stupid hoe
You a stupid hoe, yeah you a you a stupid hoe
If you cute, then your crew can roll
If you sexy, eat my cucka roll
Put ya cape on, you a super hoe
Twenty twelve, I'm at the super bowl
Stupid hoes is my enemy, stupid hoes is so wack
Stupid ho shoulda befriended me then she coulda prolly came back
Stupid hoes is my enemy, stupid hoes is so wack
Stupid ho shoulda befriended me then she could've probably came back
You a stupid ho, you a stupid ho, you a stupid ho
And I ain't hit that note but fuck a stupid ho, fuck you stupid hoe
I said fuck a stupid ho and fuck a stupid hoe
I said fuck a stupid ho and fuck a stupid hoe
I said fuck a stupid ho and fuck a stupid hoe
I am the female Weezy

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 23, 2020 - 11:19pm.

Compared to the virtuosity of minaj, hamilton sounds more like the soundtrack of oklahoma than contemporary black music.

I agree with the top youtube comment on STUPID HO:

"this will be the final credits at the end of the world".

Submitted by svelte on July 24, 2020 - 6:05am.

sdrealtor wrote:
More directed to others but then what real rap do you like? What music did you listen to by a new artist? Last 5 years? 10 years?

I've went Jazz the last two years, but in the last 10 here are some of the artists whose albums I've added to my music collection:

Missy Elliott
Pep & Rash
Eminem
Anna Lunoe
Coldplay
Nicki Minaj
YG (loved toot it and boot it!)
Robin Thicke
Groove Session
Q-Tip
2Pac (greatest hits)
Gwen Stefani
Jason Aldean
Imagine Dragons
Brantley Gilbert
Bruno Mars
Darius Rucker
Riff Raff
10cent
Lil Nas (love Old Town Road!)

Thats probably only 10-15% of the artists whose albums I've bought in last 10 years, many more I can't think of right now..I'd say 50% of what I've bought is older stuff, 50% new music including those listed above.

Submitted by svelte on July 24, 2020 - 6:30am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
... but the only one that's really spoken to me is YOU A STUPID HO by nikki minaj. That is definitely a work of art, and i truly mean that. I also reallllllly like the video.

https://youtu.be/T6j4f8cHBIM

I dont see how anyone could dislike STUPID HO.

I don't think I could sit and listen to that song - too repetitive for me to enjoy. The video is fun though!

We are a big Nicki fan in our house. My all time favorite of hers is "Beez in the Trap". I swear I saw heaven when that played in my darkened music room, 4 foot speakers, huge subwoofer, a little something to sip on (no not Purple Drank), and enjoyable company. Turn it up and feel the low frequencies! Truly a work of art.

We also enjoy Starships and Anaconda.

And she puts out some awesome vids - Va Va Voom, Pound the Alarm, others...

Oh and forgot to mention before we've also bought a Khia album. I looove My Neck, My Back. When we have guests over it always gets a belly laugh out of someone...they're not expecting to hear that playing on the speakers in our house!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T6Fnwbtzp8

That's another song with great bass...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 24, 2020 - 7:24am.

I reminds mbe of a bad movie adaptation of a musical from my childhood, 1776.

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/1776-...

Which humanized the mythical founders with bad song.

Funny that we stkll find it shocking, to think of founding fathers as regular dudes, whether dweebs as in 1776 or bad rappers, as in hamilton

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 24, 2020 - 7:27am.

"It just sounded like when they sent people to rap multiplication to me when I was an inner-city youth, 'cause they're like, that's the way we're going to get through to them," he said.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 24, 2020 - 7:58am.

Part, but not all, of my distaste is that lately ive bern feeling that history here wouldve been better without the american revolution. That it was just all a giant mistake, that we couldve evolved into something better, like canada.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/...

"The Revolution remains the last bulwark of national myth. Academics write on the growth of the Founding Father biographical genre in our time; the rule for any new writer should be that if you want a Pulitzer and a best-seller you must find a Founding Father and fetishize him. While no longer reverential, these accounts are always heroic in the core sense of showing us men, and now, occasionally, women, who transcend their flaws with spirit (though these flaws may include little things like holding other human beings as property, dividing their families, and selling off their children). The phenomenon of “Hamilton,” the hip-hop musical that is, contrary to one’s expectations, wholly faithful to a heroic view of American independence, reinforces the sanctity of the American Revolution in American life.

Academic histories of the Revolution, though, have been peeping over the parapets, joining scholarly scruples to contemporary polemic. One new take insists that we misunderstand the Revolution if we make what was an intramural and fratricidal battle of ideas in the English-speaking Empire look like a modern colonial rebellion. Another insists that the Revolution was a piece of great-power politics, fought in unimaginably brutal terms, and no more connected to ideas or principles than any other piece of great-power politics: America was essentially a Third World country that became the battlefield for two First World powers. Stirred into the larger pot of recent revisionism, these arguments leave us with a big question: was it really worth it, and are we better off for its having happened? In plain American, is Donald Trump a bug or a feature of the American heritage?"

Submitted by svelte on July 24, 2020 - 9:25am.

I could be wrong, but I can only think of one album I own that was part of a musical or in any theater production.

For the most part, I dislike musical soundtracks.

There are rare exceptions and probably a few I like that I didn't know were in musicals. I liked the song "Oklahoma" but don't own it. I liked a few songs from "South Pacific" but again don't own them. I saw those two musicals as performed by colleges I attended and actually enjoyed them, but that was probably more due to I saw them with a pretty date on my arm...pretty sure that influenced my opinion of the play.

The only musical soundtrack that I can think of that I own is Pink Floyd The Wall, and if I'm not mistaken the album came out before the musical.

Which I think gets to the root of the problem...it's the same reason for the most part I dislike Christian music: the song is there to support something else, it was written like a commercial ad jingle. It's purpose is to support a point of view. Granted there are exceptions, I'm speaking in generalities here.

True there are other songs written intentionally to be hits so they too are written for a specific purpose - but I think they have more leeway than a song written to support a religion or an actress/actor's character in a play. Those are boxed in from the get-go...and probably under more time constraints which leads to a poorer quality song.

On a side note, we had a 10-15 year tradition to see plays performed by local folks on our anniversary. We saw them often in Coronado and the La Jolla Playhouse. I enjoyed the comedies a bit, but not too much the others. A couple of years ago, my wife asked to end that tradition. She gave it a go for many years, but was not enjoying the experience.

We've probably attended our last broadway play and local play. We tried.

Submitted by zk on July 24, 2020 - 11:38am.

Musicals where the dialogue is spoken and there are song/dance numbers are sometimes enjoyable. Sometimes they're great. But when most, or even a lot, of the dialogue is sung, I can't stand it. Sung dialogue almost never has an interesting melody, if you can even call what they're doing a melody. It generally sounds the same as all the other sung dialog in all the other sung-dialogue musicals. It sounds artificial and lame. It doesn't sound musical. It sounds like dialogue in a musical.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 24, 2020 - 11:54am.

the music in a musical should involve a flight of spirit so extreme that words cannot contain the feeling.

Now, as for great musicals, THE BOOK OF MORMON by the south park fellows is pretty perfect.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 24, 2020 - 1:31pm.

bachs mass in b minor is decent christian music. but yeah, christian rock is proof that G-d does not exist. ingeneral any music played live in a random church s u c k s..... if He existed, he would make it stop. or improve it. anything but let it continue. when i used to go to mass, the music made me want to cry with sadness, please, please let it stop

Silence would be much preferable for imbuing a spiritual presence.

Submitted by svelte on July 24, 2020 - 12:43pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
the music in a musical should involve a flight of spirit so extreme that words cannot contain the feeling.

I agree with that.

Also, there are some church choir songs that are inspiring in the same sort of way. I don't enjoy it often, but when done right - and I think predominately black churches do it better than predominately white churches - it is very uplifting.

It is coming back to me. The last anniversary play we saw was a Shakespeare play in the Old Globe [edit: actually Lowell Davies theater outside]. I had procrastinated to the last minute and by some fluke 2 front row seats came available. We had the best seats ever. The weather was perfect, the night was clear, and we sat there barely understanding a single word of the English language. It was frustrating. It was a comedy and some people laughed, but we weren't getting the jokes for the most part. Way too much energy just to follow the dialog - I didn't have the bandwidth left to piece together and enjoy the story.

After that, she said that's it. I quit.

Which reminds me of a great BB King song...If That Ain't It I Quit

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 24, 2020 - 1:02pm.

svelte wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
the music in a musical should involve a flight of spirit so extreme that words cannot contain the feeling.

I agree with that.

Also, there are some church choir songs that are inspiring in the same sort of way. I don't enjoy it often, but when done right - and I think predominately black churches do it better than predominately white churches - it is very uplifting.

It is coming back to me. The last anniversary play we saw was a Shakespeare play in the Old Globe [edit: actually Lowell Davies theater outside]. I had procrastinated to the last minute and by some fluke 2 front row seats came available. We had the best seats ever. The weather was perfect, the night was clear, and we sat there barely understanding a single word of the English language. It was frustrating. It was a comedy and some people laughed, but we weren't getting the jokes for the most part. Way too much energy just to follow the dialog - I didn't have the bandwidth left to piece together and enjoy the story.

After that, she said that's it. I quit.

Which reminds me of a great BB King song...If That Ain't It I Quit

theres a piece by charles mingus called wednesday Night prayer meeting, which is a raucous bluesy jazz simulation of a prayer meeting that is spiritual, powerful, funny, and entertaining, and takes music to soaring heights by transforming what recognizeable human like voices into pure sound and rhythm . it has some of the qaulities id expect in a superior musical, but substitutes instruments for human voices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1WQR8Ti1vk

Submitted by svelte on July 24, 2020 - 1:13pm.

I just adore this song and this video...everything about them. Just fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7qovpFAGrQ

Don't know if you know the backstory, but Lil Nas was broke and living on his sister's couch. All his plans in ruins. Somewhere in the South if I'm not mistaken. That's where he wrote this song.

That's where the lyric "cain't nobody tell me nothin" comes from - he was poking at himself and how he doesn't listen to reason.

The lyrics are just awesome.

And the video - oh my just perfect. Love the line "you have a good day get off my car".

Another song with awesome bass. I see a trend here. Getting those subs has really changed my taste in music.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 24, 2020 - 1:29pm.

ok, i agree, based on the video he's kind of adorable. video improves the song. as a musical should d o.

Submitted by svelte on July 26, 2020 - 3:26am.

This all gets down to a point I didn't understand to my early 20s. Some musicians view music as an art, some view it as entertainment.

I guess I realized that when I started hanging out with a musician (or wanna-be musician depending on your point of view) and he pointed out to me the showmanship aspect of it all. I think we were talking about Prince at the time.

It got me thinking...some musician do view it as a show to be performed. Others view it as an artist views a painting.

I'm not picking a side here, as both types of music are appropriate. I like the show, but I also like the art.

As long as the "show" is quality music, I'm on board.

Prince: I'm not dissing Prince, I'm a fan of his music. My wife is a BIG prince fan.

Which reminds me of a time 10 yrs back when we were in a hole-in-the-wall bar in SF. We've met all sorts of Europeans in that place and we're not shy, we've struck up conversations with them - it's fun!

Anyway, we are at this bar in SF and the band starts playing Willie Nelson. My wife goes nuts. The singer goes "I see we got a little Willie fan in the audience." as he looks at my wife. Without missing a beat, my wife replies "no, I'm a BIG Willie fan!" knowing full well what she just said. The band had no comeback.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 26, 2020 - 7:45am.

This one goes out to all the big willie fans, who drink it stiff, work it hard, stand tall and never give up till the job is done"

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