Home defense

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 13, 2020 - 8:30am

This pandemics made me consider home defense more than my usual I'll judt call 911 position.

Even considered guns though I hate guns.

Guns make me worry about my error.

But I'm attracted to a pistol that shoots shotgun shells.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mo...

Might start with pepper spray and a cold steel war club.

This ones well reviewed on amazon

https://www.atlantacutlery.com/gunstock-...

It would be pretty awesome to have killed someone who deserved it with that.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 13, 2020 - 12:40pm.

You need home automation and cameras to guard your estate.
The cameras and sensors will alert you of any breach.

I have guns, but I would not kill anyone. It’s not worth the ramifications.

Submitted by spdrun on May 13, 2020 - 6:07pm.

Crossbow. If I saw Darryl chasing me, I'd run. Fast.

Also, a Jivaro Indian blowgun, but apparently those are illegal in CA :)

Submitted by svelte on May 13, 2020 - 6:35pm.

We have layers of protection that I won't go into here.

Starts with surveillance and progresses to lethal force.

The problem is that by the time you know you need lethal force, it's too late to buy it. Better to get it in advance and be prepared.

Submitted by svelte on May 13, 2020 - 6:45pm.

Have a funny story about protection.

We got a new pup last summer and she loves walks each evening. This fall as the days became shorter, it was hard for me to get home from work in time to take her for a walk before dusk. So the walks became darker and darker.

Sometimes we would hear coyotes relatively close and it spooked both of us. So I bought bear spray in case I needed it. Never did get around to bringing it on the walk with us as I figured out a way to get home earlier.

I've also bought compressed air cans that I use to keep her from barking as she scares other dogs - she is so happy to see them she just goes crazy barking. A quick spritz of air pointed at the sky creates a sound she hates and she stops barking immediately...nothing else has worked to stop her.

She also barks very loudly when we have visitors. While we haven't had many of those recently given the situation, we did have one come by last week. I stayed with the pup in the office behind a doggy gate while the visitor was there. When the pup started barking, I reached for the compressed air and shot it towards the ceiling. I looked up. Ceiling was red. I had accidently picked up the bear spray. I coughed in the room for the rest of the guest's visit. I have now put the bear spray in a box with a big sign "BEAR SPRAY" on it.

Submitted by zk on May 13, 2020 - 9:09pm.

I'm generally the opposite of survivalist types. I always think of them as wildly paranoid. I think we're an extremely long way from a complete breakdown of society, but I also think we're less far away than we've been in my lifetime.

As much as an academic exercise as anything else - although I have to admit that I've actually considered buying these things just in case (maybe I'm not as opposite as I thought) - I put together a list of what I thought would assist my family's survival in such a situation.

I'm not talking about how to survive for three weeks or three months. I'm talking about a permanent and complete breakdown.

I am as far from an expert on this as you can be. I did just a quick google search and found that most advice involves surviving for a relatively short period of time. But this list I made up myself. I would like to hear other ideas on what else might come in handy or what on this list wouldn't be necessary. I realize that rechargeable batteries, even with a generator, would only last for so long.

Fishing net
Magnifying glass, matches, flint
Survival book, Medical book
Water still, water purifying tablets/liquids
Water storage jugs
Shotgun, Hunting Rifle, Sniper rifle, several different-sized revolvers
Ammo
Hunting knife
Ax, hammer, pocket knife, Saw, files
Rope, twine
Tent, tarp
Sleeping bags
Bow and arrows
Fishing pole, lures, hooks, lines, sinkers.
Compass, maps
Sextant and manual
Very large backpack
Shovel
Water, food
Salt
Mouse, rat traps
First aid kit
Antibiotics
Clothes, shoes, jackets
Cooking grill, utensils
Eating utensils, plates, cups
Mirror
Sewing kit
Plastic bags, ziploc bags
Duct tape
Snare
Night vision goggles
Scissors
Extra fishing line for trip wires
Binoculars
Hand-powered electric generator for charging batteries/electronics
Battery charger/rechargeable batteries
A dog

Submitted by outtamojo on May 13, 2020 - 9:10pm.

Some of those 10 mile walkies.

Submitted by zk on May 13, 2020 - 9:12pm.

outtamojo wrote:
Some of those 10 mile walkies.

Yes! Excellent.

I was also thinking maybe a dog. They eat a lot of food, but they're good at hearing danger approaching.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 14, 2020 - 11:52am.

You have to train a guard dog. You would need a Doberman or a fierce looking black Shepard with a mean bark. A lab or golden would be useless.

Staying in San Diego during a collapse of society is a bad idea. Anywhere on the mainland with marauding bands of deplorables with guns is bad. I would retire to a remote tropical Island where you can survive on the fertile land and where there is plenty of rain water. Raise chicken, rabbits and veggies.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 14, 2020 - 11:59am.

Svelte, if your dog barks, then you’re not training it well. You need to be strict, the dog needs to know who is boss. If not, the dog needs to go to school for training.

Submitted by svelte on May 14, 2020 - 12:43pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Svelte, if your dog barks, then you’re not training it well. You need to be strict, the dog needs to know who is boss. If not, the dog needs to go to school for training.

She's been in training with an instructor since we got her.

The instructor has not been able to break her of it either and he has her 8 hrs a day, 3 days a week as part of a lessons/day care program. But she stole his heart and the two of them are like glue when they are together. (on temporary hiatus given the current situation)

You can pontificate all you want, but if a professional instructor hasn't stopped her, we sure aren't going to be able to.

She's quiet at home and for the most part when we take walks now (I am making progress with her), but when she sees a dog she really likes there is not much that stops her from barking. Just ask her instructor.

Submitted by zk on May 14, 2020 - 12:47pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Staying in San Diego during a collapse of society is a bad idea. Anywhere on the mainland with marauding bands of deplorables with guns is bad. I would retire to a remote tropical Island where you can survive on the fertile land and where there is plenty of rain water. Raise chicken, rabbits and veggies.

7 Billion people in the world, all fighting for survival, and you manage to find a paradise all your own. Amazing. Well done. You don't live in a fantasy world at all.

If there were a way to get to such a place, marauding bands of deplorables with guns would find their way there, too. And they'd take your shit if you didn't have your own guns.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 14, 2020 - 1:05pm.

ZK, go the big island of Hawaii for example. It’s developed now but very sparsely populated with pacific people. there are isolated places on the island too. And the marauding bands of deplorables can’t get there over the oceans. If you live on the continent, hungry bands of deplorables will be roaming the country in their pickups.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 14, 2020 - 1:11pm.

svelte wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
Svelte, if your dog barks, then you’re not training it well. You need to be strict, the dog needs to know who is boss. If not, the dog needs to go to school for training.

She's been in training with an instructor since we got her.

The instructor has not been able to break her of it either and he has her 8 hrs a day, 3 days a week as part of a lessons/day care program. But she stole his heart and the two of them are like glue when they are together. (on temporary hiatus given the current situation)

You can pontificate all you want, but if a professional instructor hasn't stopped her, we sure aren't going to be able to.

She's quiet at home and for the most part when we take walks now (I am making progress with her), but when she sees a dog she really likes there is not much that stops her from barking. Just ask her instructor.

Oh. Excellent. You sound like a very responsible dog dad.
Sorry for being preachy. I have seen too many owners who don’t control their pets.

Submitted by pluto on May 16, 2020 - 2:14am.

In all seriousness, you should understand what your defense needs are. That is what is the furthest distance you have to defend? What are the points of entry., etc. If youre in an apartment a simple handgun maybe all you need. If you have a large backyard you may need a rifle. But it doesnt make sense to to have a tool that you dont know how to use. You may use it improperly under stress of the moment. It's not as simple as having a gun, you still have to get to it and be accurate. If you are not familiar with guns, pepper spray or a knife; My best advice is to focus on preventing the opportunity to enter than what you would do once they come in. Put effort into delaying them entering because you cant prevent a determined intruder. Time is not on the intruders time.

Submitted by zk on May 16, 2020 - 7:36am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
ZK, go the big island of Hawaii for example. It’s developed now but very sparsely populated with pacific people. there are isolated places on the island too. And the marauding bands of deplorables can’t get there over the oceans. If you live on the continent, hungry bands of deplorables will be roaming the country in their pickups.

If you can get there, they can get there.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you're so hubristic as to think otherwise.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 16, 2020 - 10:11am.

I’m trying to be objective actually. In a total breakdown of society, the continental USA is the worse place to be. Americans with guns are very dangerous. Law enforcement will become warlords.

The climate and monoculture will make it hard for you to get a healthy complete diet of fruit and veggies and protein.

You want to be somewhere remote and tropical where food grows without much effort, without much cultivation and labor.

The hypothetical is total breakdown of society where there is no running water or electricity.

Submitted by Coronita on May 16, 2020 - 10:18am.

I'm prepared for a zombie apocolypse. I dug a trench around my house and ran a propane gas line around the perimeter. If I need to, I turn on the gas line attached to my.portable propane tanks, light it up, and have Kentucky Fried Zombies for dinner.

Submitted by outtamojo on May 16, 2020 - 10:42am.

Coronita wrote:
I'm prepared for a zombie apocolypse. I dug a trench around my house and ran a propane gas line around the perimeter. If I need to, I turn on the gas line attached to my.portable propane tanks, light it up, and have Kentucky Fried Zombies for dinner.

I can see that you have watched ZERO zombie movies. Lighting zombies on fire does not kill them. They will stumble into your trench until enough of them fill your trench (forming a bridge) and then the walking flaming zombies will set your house on fire. NEVER USE FIRE ON ZOMBIES NEAR WHERE YOU LIVE.

Submitted by zk on May 16, 2020 - 1:40pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:

You want to be somewhere remote and tropical where food grows without much effort, without much cultivation and labor.

Yeah, you and 7 billion other people all want to be in a place just like that. But somehow you think only you or maybe a small group of people just like you will make it there. Marauding bands of deplorables with guns will have a much easier time forcing their way over there than you will have getting there by trading veggies and spices or whatever Brianesque plan you have in mind.

Submitted by Coronita on May 16, 2020 - 12:59pm.

outtamojo wrote:
Coronita wrote:
I'm prepared for a zombie apocolypse. I dug a trench around my house and ran a propane gas line around the perimeter. If I need to, I turn on the gas line attached to my.portable propane tanks, light it up, and have Kentucky Fried Zombies for dinner.

I can see that you have watched ZERO zombie movies. Lighting zombies on fire does not kill them. They will stumble into your trench until enough of them fill your trench (forming a bridge) and then the walking flaming zombies will set your house on fire. NEVER USE FIRE ON ZOMBIES NEAR WHERE YOU LIVE.

Damnit. You are right.

Submitted by zk on May 16, 2020 - 2:25pm.

zk wrote:
Marauding bands of deplorables with guns will have a much easier time forcing their way over there than you will have getting there by trading veggies and spices or whatever Brianesque plan you have in mind.

It occurs to me now that maybe that's why some nutjobs seem to relish the thought of government overthrow and anarchy and chaos. Then, instead of being stuck working in some god-forsaken job where they get shit on all day by people smarter than them, they'd be the ones sticking a gun in your face saying, "I'm taking your shit now, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, you pansy-ass poindexter."

That's probably been obvious to everybody but me for a long time.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 16, 2020 - 3:42pm.

zk wrote:
zk wrote:
Marauding bands of deplorables with guns will have a much easier time forcing their way over there than you will have getting there by trading veggies and spices or whatever Brianesque plan you have in mind.

It occurs to me now that maybe that's why some nutjobs seem to relish the thought of government overthrow and anarchy and chaos. Then, instead of being stuck working in some god-forsaken job where they get shit on all day by people smarter than them, they'd be the ones sticking a gun in your face saying, "I'm taking your shit now, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, you pansy-ass poindexter."

That's probably been obvious to everybody but me for a long time.

American is one large enraged but chair bound fatman posting patriotic memes on liberty on facebook but afraid to ride a bike in his own neighborhood

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