Gun control and real estate

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Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 5, 2017 - 7:21pm

Why bother trying to pass gun control? It’s a total waste time.

Let’s relax gun ownership rules and let freedom flourish.

Private real estate owners will need to do what it takes to keep their businesses secure lest they lose money. And if shootings get worse, business owners will be leading the charge for reform. You can bet your ass that if the Venitian is attacked, Shelton Aldelson will be on the phone with Trump.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 9, 2017 - 4:38pm.

Well, I’m just glad is wasn’t a Muslim terrorist attack because people could be sacred and that would be bad for business.

Notwithstanding that this was the worse shooting, Vegas is scoffing it off. I am in Vegas now and over the weekend with friends. It was packed full. White men mass shooters do not seem to scare people. Fine by me. Let the free markets decide.

Submitted by outtamojo on October 9, 2017 - 6:25pm.

Flyer you shoulda named your thread gun proliferation and real estate. It is clear now that gun proliferation has not made us safer. If attempts to limit arms have no effect why are we beefing with North Korea and Iran?

Submitted by svelte on October 9, 2017 - 8:19pm.

njtosd wrote:
ocrenter wrote:

Guns are not the problem. Lack of regulation that allows someone to buy and own 40+ weapons and endless ammo is the problem.

If cars need to be registered, if dogs need to be registered, then why not guns?

How can you be sure? People used to be able to buy most of what is available now through mail order or at sporting goods stores, and there weren't problems like Steven Paddock. How do you know that more regulations won't increase criminal activity in terms of stealing firearms or trafficking in illegal firearms?
As I've said a couple of times - I am not a gun enthusiast. But, I think everyone wants to believe that these sorts of tragedies can be prevented with more gun control. Exaggerating to make a point: I'm sure there is a lot of gun control in North Korea - that doesn't make it a great place to live.

I don't think it's the number of guns one owns that is a problem. I think it is how fast they can be fired. I remember all of the gun racks in the back windows of trucks when I was a kid in the Midwest. There are actually good reasons to own guns. I just don't think there are good reasons to own guns that can fire automatically. And back in the early years of my life, no one owned such weapons. At least no one I knew.

My opinion.

Submitted by ocrenter on October 10, 2017 - 12:39pm.

njtosd wrote:
ocrenter wrote:

Guns are not the problem. Lack of regulation that allows someone to buy and own 40+ weapons and endless ammo is the problem.

If cars need to be registered, if dogs need to be registered, then why not guns?

How can you be sure? People used to be able to buy most of what is available now through mail order or at sporting goods stores, and there weren't problems like Steven Paddock. How do you know that more regulations won't increase criminal activity in terms of stealing firearms or trafficking in illegal firearms?
As I've said a couple of times - I am not a gun enthusiast. But, I think everyone wants to believe that these sorts of tragedies can be prevented with more gun control. Exaggerating to make a point: I'm sure there is a lot of gun control in North Korea - that doesn't make it a great place to live.

No one can be sure of course. Except to say there are plenty of examples of success throughout the world in regard to gun control, much like universal healthcare. Yet we act like this has never been tried before anywhere else and we are somehow trailblazing our way through this, when in reality we are the lagging way behind the curve.

Submitted by harvey on October 10, 2017 - 1:36pm.

The fundamental capabilities of guns that are available to the public haven't changed much over the years. You could legally get a semi automatic rifle or pistol decades ago - if you wanted one.

But the gun manufacturers have found ways to make gun sexier, and it is a surprisingly successful marketing approach. The changes are superficial: black metal/plastic bodies instead of wood, accessory rails, ergonomic grips, etc. None of this stuff has any real application outside of military use but people think it's cool, and it definitely sells more guns.

In any gun control debate you'll be sure to hear the argument that "assault rifle" bans are pointless because they only focus on cosmetic differences in firearms. And it is generally true: The decked-out Call of Duty style M4 loaded with "tactical" accessories is not going to be more deadly in the hands of a mass-shooter-crazy than a wooden M14 from the early 1960s.

But the killer seems to always choose the sexy gun.

That's one of the reasons pragmatic gun control is difficult. It's really impossible to outlaw guns that are suitable for "mass shooters" because mass shooters fundamentally use guns that have been very ordinary for a long time.

Submitted by CA renter on October 15, 2017 - 5:50pm.

svelte wrote:
gun deaths per state

Not sure where this map is from or what year they used (edited: I see where it's from, but not the source data or year), but the CDC map (below) tells a different story. Granted, the CDC map is for total homicides (not just limited to "gun deaths"), but I think that total homicide rates matter more to those who are honestly concerned about safety than the "gun death" rate which excludes homicides of other types, and includes suicides, which comprise around two-thirds of the "gun death" rate.

So, here is a map with homicide rates:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosma...

You'll notice that the states with the lowest homicide rates also have some of the least restrictive gun laws in the U.S., with some of them having effectively no gun laws. (You'll also notice that some of the states with very high homicide rates have less restrictive gun laws, as well.)

The information regarding gun laws by state can be found here (this is an anti-gun site, so no pro-gun bias here):

http://smartgunlaws.org/search-gun-law-b...

You can also see here that homicide and violent crime rates actually increased for a number of years after a number of countries passed their most restrictive gun laws. After around 5 years of a rising trend, the trend declined, but the same declining trend in homicide/violent crime rates was seen in the U.S. as gun ownership and proliferation increased dramatically (and gun bans were not instituted).

https://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder...

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling...

FWIW, I think that fully-automatic weapons should be banned across the board. They are designed for indiscriminate killing, and I don't trust the government with this power any more than I trust some Joe Schmoe with this power. Nobody should have fully automatic weapons.

Submitted by harvey on October 16, 2017 - 6:23am.

Lol, we'd be all be safer if the Marines weren't allowed to have machine guns.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 16, 2017 - 12:36pm.

CA renter wrote:

FWIW, I think that fully-automatic weapons should be banned across the board. They are designed for indiscriminate killing, and I don't trust the government with this power any more than I trust some Joe Schmoe with this power. Nobody should have fully automatic weapons.

At least you're consistent. If anyone will come take our guns away, the military will.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 6, 2017 - 8:50am.

Why weren’t there more good guys with guns at the church to kill the bad guy?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 16, 2018 - 8:43am.

I guess now, the operators of buildings where people gather should have an active shooter plan, just like a fire escape plan.
I wonder if real estate operators can be held liable for not developing a plan.

Submitted by spdrun on February 16, 2018 - 3:34pm.

Yeah, like what? Like an old "duck and cover" nuclear war drill?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 16, 2018 - 4:26pm.

spdrun wrote:
Yeah, like what? Like an old "duck and cover" nuclear war drill?

Yeah, something like that just for formality's sake.
Some buildings need hazmat plans, etc... already.

Marjory Stoneman is a good school but not the best.
But wow, this junior sure speaks extemporaneously really well. I wish I were like him at that age. My speaking ability sucked in HS.
https://youtu.be/2XExNsQZZZM

Submitted by outtamojo on February 16, 2018 - 5:13pm.

Crawl inside a womb.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 23, 2019 - 8:12pm.

Seems like there’s a mass shooting once a month.

https://youtu.be/tFnmYJtlcjw

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 15, 2019 - 2:16pm.

Another active shooter at a business park. Multiple people, multiple officers down.

Companies that don't have training and contingency plans for active shooters will be sued like MGM was sued for not having adequate security. What is adequate? Of course, the additional costs translate to higher rates for businesses and travelers.

Submitted by NeetaT on February 18, 2019 - 1:25pm.

I do not own a gun, because gun laws are so strict as they are. Unless I am allowed to carry a loaded 30 round .40 cal hollow point capable pistol next to me in my car, why bother to own a gun? If someone tries to carjack me, I will just push them into oncoming traffic and let 5 or so cars run over them.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on February 19, 2019 - 8:21am.

always be prepared to bite a large chunk of another humans flesh off.

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