Goodbye to San Diego

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Submitted by EconProf on February 22, 2021 - 2:26am

After 45 years in San Diego as teacher, real estate investor, and contractor we are leaving. Apparently, so are a lot of other people. The cost of living, and especially the housing cost difference is one of the many reasons, and here are the specifics:
1. Our brand new custom-designed house will cost about 1/3 the price we are getting for our current house and be 10% larger, all on one level.
2. Our HOA will fall from $495/month to about $100. For that HOA we will be a two-block walk from a clubhouse with an exercise room, two pools (one summer, one winter), tennis courts, pickleball courts, etc., etc.
3. Our property taxes will fall from $16,500 per year to about $3000.
4. Monthly utility costs will be vastly lower.

Piggs are invited to guess our destination.

Submitted by Escoguy on July 17, 2021 - 7:06pm.

deadzone wrote:
sdrealtor wrote:
So here is some data for EP.

My hometown of Cherry Hill NJ has a median HH income of $105K. It has demographics similar to Carlsbad, top rated schools and healthcare. Its an easy one hour drive to lovely Jersey Shore towns. Its an easy 15 minute drive to Philadephia with great jobs, multiple teaching hospitals some of which rank among the best in the country and Ivy League schools nearby. They have professional sports and world class musuems and theatre in Philly. School funding is among the highest in the country. The median home price is $336K.

The median HH income in St George is under $50K. It has none of that. School funding is among the lowest in the country. The only university was recentlya two year associate degree college. No theatre, no international airport, no teaching hospitals, no major industries, no pro sports, no beaches, no culture or diversity. The median home price is $430K.

And you dont think you just bought into one big time bubble that will come crashing down as soon as the economy turns? You have bought into Hemet circa 2005.

You make some good points sdr but come on, lay off the guy. He is going there to retire and live out his golden years among like minded people. Don't think he cares if the RE bubble bursts in St George. If it bursts there it will be due to the everything bubble bursting anyway (obviously it will crush St George far worse than SD or other areas granted).

Drought, now floods: I hope everyone stays safe but with an eye on Germany, some forces of nature can be very impactful:

https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archiv...

Submitted by DataAgent on July 23, 2021 - 7:49am.

My wife and I are now almost 70 years old. Back around 2018, I looked all over the west coast for a cheaper place to retire. When we discovered the strong influence of the Mormon church on the St George area, St George was was quickly removed from our list. My wife and I are very anti-organized religion. When we learned that about 75% of the permanent residents were Mormon, St George didn't make the first cut.

My wife and I have been married for over 45 years. We grew up over 2000 miles apart. We met in the US Air Force. From Day 1, we were planning our retirement. Our families were very poor and gave us nothing to start with. So money was our biggest initial concern. We got very lucky in the business world and we always loved San Diego. Once we made it here, we're not leaving. We hate the high cost of living in San Diego but we're staying put. No other major west coast city comes close to the amenities and personality of San Diego.

As an ex-CPA, our current assets should carry us well into our 90s. I really hate blowing our money on the CA economy but there's no place like home.

Submitted by flyer on July 23, 2021 - 9:18am.

That is a great story. Congratulations on your success. Although we enjoy living various places, we'll always keep property here also, and so will our kids, for as long as we all have left on earth. Since my wife and I were actually born and raised here, there really is no place like home for us and our large extended family.

To each his or her own regarding "beliefs," but agree that not being of the Mormon faith, and living in Utah, could be a challenge, but for those who embrace those beliefs, it's the perfect spot.

We all make different choices in life for various reasons, and, as long we're each happy with our choices, that's what really matters. That's why I don't find it necessary to criticize others, just because they have made choices I would never make. In the final analysis, beliefs or no beliefs, all life on earth is temporary.

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 23, 2021 - 11:18am.

Would've been easier to say nice story, now let me tell mine again for the 1300th time because after all it is all about me

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 23, 2021 - 2:10pm.

DataAgent wrote:
My wife and I are now almost 70 years old. Back around 2018, I looked all over the west coast for a cheaper place to retire. When we discovered the strong influence of the Mormon church on the St George area, St George was was quickly removed from our list. My wife and I are very anti-organized religion. When we learned that about 75% of the permanent residents were Mormon, St George didn't make the first cut.

My wife and I have been married for over 45 years. We grew up over 2000 miles apart. We met in the US Air Force. From Day 1, we were planning our retirement. Our families were very poor and gave us nothing to start with. So money was our biggest initial concern. We got very lucky in the business world and we always loved San Diego. Once we made it here, we're not leaving. We hate the high cost of living in San Diego but we're staying put. No other major west coast city comes close to the amenities and personality of San Diego.

As an ex-CPA, our current assets should carry us well into our 90s. I really hate blowing our money on the CA economy but there's no place like home.

Imagine that! Living the place that is among the nicest spots in the country is expensive. It's great here and only reasonable to expect that you gotta pay to play

Currently 100 degrees in St george

Submitted by Coronita on July 23, 2021 - 5:23pm.

i havent made it to st george yet, but so far my trip to the Salt Flats, West Jordan, Bryce Canyon, Zion Park has been pleasant.

But one thing. Gas prices is not cheap here. its not as expensive as San Diego, but it certainly is not cheap. Its $4 for regular, $4.20 for mid grade, 4.30 for premium roughly .. and the other thing, i dont think the octane rating for the fuel is the same. In CA , we have 87, 89, 91 octane. In Utah its 85, 88, 91...Now given that modern day cars can run lower octane fuel by simply retarding timing...usually when that happens it also lowers fuel economy and efficiency. So the savings might not be as pronounced....how much is gas right now in SD for 87 octane?

Submitted by DataAgent on July 24, 2021 - 12:27am.

We have 2 non-Tesla EVs and an over-sized rooftop solar array. Our solar panels power our house and both of our cars. We use net-metering and pay no monthly electric bills. We net-up in November. In November of 2020, out total electric bill for the entire year of 2020 and late 2019 was $50. I'm satisfied with a $50 annual electric bill. However, there are members of my local EV Club who spend lots of time trying to get their annual electric bill as close to $0 as possible. Their Zoom presentations bore me to log-off early.

Submitted by Coronita on July 24, 2021 - 7:55am.

I do like the salt flats where you can pretty much run flatout. even in a chevy tahoe...thank god its not my car though..... beautiful place.

Its been hot,but its been raining in the late afternoon too.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on July 24, 2021 - 9:50am.

I paid $3.95 a gal at Temecula Costco yesterday (for 87).

Submitted by Escoguy on July 24, 2021 - 1:29pm.

DataAgent wrote:
We have 2 non-Tesla EVs and an over-sized rooftop solar array. Our solar panels power our house and both of our cars. We use net-metering and pay no monthly electric bills. We net-up in November. In November of 2020, out total electric bill for the entire year of 2020 and late 2019 was $50. I'm satisfied with a $50 annual electric bill. However, there are members of my local EV Club who spend lots of time trying to get their annual electric bill as close to $0 as possible. Their Zoom presentations bore me to log-off early.

I am content with the $16 per month EVTOU5 rate which powers the house/pool and two EVs plus one plug in hybrid. Solar covers the usage. The climate credit brings the annual bill down to approx $150.

The discussion about gas prices bore me so I often go to sleep when it is discussed.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 25, 2021 - 9:52am.

Escoguy wrote:
DataAgent wrote:
We have 2 non-Tesla EVs and an over-sized rooftop solar array. Our solar panels power our house and both of our cars. We use net-metering and pay no monthly electric bills. We net-up in November. In November of 2020, out total electric bill for the entire year of 2020 and late 2019 was $50. I'm satisfied with a $50 annual electric bill. However, there are members of my local EV Club who spend lots of time trying to get their annual electric bill as close to $0 as possible. Their Zoom presentations bore me to log-off early.

I am content with the $16 per month EVTOU5 rate which powers the house/pool and two EVs plus one plug in hybrid. Solar covers the usage. The climate credit brings the annual bill down to approx $150.

The discussion about gas prices bore me so I often go to sleep when it is discussed.

Hey I just had a business idea. A gas station with way higher prices...the surplus goes to environmental remediation causes.

Fucking brilliant. It would be high status to gas up there. Middle of l.a. Instagram spot.

Gas station of the stars.

100$ a gallon. 500 a gallon for super unleaded.

Full service though. A PhD in environmental studies cleans the windshield on your ferrari.

Or maybe there are no pumps. Just Jerry cans. Your gas decanted by hand by a petroleum sommelier/engineer.

An anti gas gas station. An on staff hippie protesting fracking. Some asshole kid screaming about bicycles.

Part theatre, part gas station.

Price it so we only need 2 customers a day...

Submitted by an on July 25, 2021 - 10:41am.

Gas station can't stay in business selling gas. They make their money from the stuff they sell inside. It'll probably more beneficial for you to just donate the money you would have spent on the failed business idea to your favorite environmental cause charity.

Submitted by Coronita on July 25, 2021 - 6:58pm.

Unfortunately, we got sort of lost at the Peek-A-Boo Canyons, just as the flash flood storm moved in, and it threw the rest of our trip off by a few hours (fortunately, we didnt up as the dumb missing hikers on the 6pm news) ....so we arrived at St George pretty late in the afternoon and missed the last round of Bingo at the community center...maybe next time...
hellohello

In all seriousness though, Utah is a beautiful place to hike and camp. Had a good time, especially at Zion... Definitely worth the trip.
Next time though, i should pack a GPS and a satellite phone when going to remote places...
The cell phone coverage understandably is spotty.

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 25, 2021 - 9:50pm.

Yes very beautiful in many parts. And I hear there is a panda express there

Submitted by Coronita on July 26, 2021 - 12:15am.

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Submitted by svelte on July 27, 2021 - 7:23pm.

San Diego housing prices rose second highest in the nation.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/bus...

And if you look at the list of top rising metro areas, looks split pretty well between blue and red. I notice no trend.

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 27, 2021 - 11:40pm.

Huh? The top markets are either turning blue or already blue.

Submitted by svelte on July 28, 2021 - 7:05am.

sdrealtor wrote:
Huh? The top markets are either turning blue or already blue.

Phoenix metro area - which is the only city with higher yoy home prices that San Diego - did indeed vote Biden in 2020 (50.1%), but it voted Trump in 2016. I think the Trump hatred is an anomaly and that Phoenix will return to red voting in 2024 (unless Trump runs).

Dallas/FW metro area - while it is true that Dallas is very blue, Ft Worth is very red. And it is the same with this area - 50.6% Biden in 2020 but voted Trump in 2016.

In my opinion, we'll have to wait for another election cycle to see if they really are turning blue.

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 28, 2021 - 8:33am.

You just made my case for me. While Phoenix could come back to GOP the trend is clearly blue in what was once Goldwater country. Dallas and Texas are behind them on the curve but again the trend is clear. Whether it gets to a blue majority is irrelevant. Prices are being driven by immigration from blue states. Even if we send red folks they are far more liberal than the old time conservatives in those states and politics will shift left as we export weed smoking, socially liberal Republicans.

Submitted by svelte on July 28, 2021 - 9:18am.

sdrealtor wrote:
You just made my case for me. While Phoenix could come back to GOP the trend is clearly blue in what was once Goldwater country. Dallas and Texas are behind them on the curve but again the trend is clear. Whether it gets to a blue majority is irrelevant. Prices are being driven by immigration from blue states. Even if we send red folks they are far more liberal than the old time conservatives in those states and politics will shift left as we export weed smoking, socially liberal Republicans.

Actually I didn't. You're reading things into the move from blue states to red states. EconProf is a prime example, as are other republicans I know who are currently migrating to Arizona/Utah.

"Whether it gets to a blue majority is irrelevant" is an amazing statement in the context of what I wrote...I said there was a mixture of red and blue cities in the list and you disagreed. Now you're saying yeah well the red cities are more liberal now because republicans are more liberal. Apparently you are saying red = blue. Can't disagree more.

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 28, 2021 - 9:44am.

sdrealtor wrote:
Huh? The top markets are either turning blue or already blue.

This is what I said. I stand by it and your post supported it. They are blue or turning blue

Yes guys like EP are moving but so are other more liberal, younger and non-white folks. The shift is happening in Phoenix and in Dallas

Submitted by svelte on July 28, 2021 - 10:17am.

sdrealtor wrote:
The shift is happening in Phoenix and in Dallas

Truth be told, Phoenix party registration by percentage of voters is moving away from both the Democratic and Republican parties:

https://ktar.com/story/4468106/gop-democ...

There are still more Republicans that Democrats registered there though Republicans lost a few voters and Democrats picked up a few. "Other" is picking up the most ground and taking a bigger slice of the Phoenix voting population...the Rep and Dem shares are both dropping.

Texas doesn't require voters to select a political party when registering, so the Dallas/Ft Worth metro area is harder to measure.

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 28, 2021 - 12:57pm.

Those Phoenix numbers are minute. A few thousand voters. Arizona was reliably deep red for decades. Not any more. The non white population is growing and it has become more progressive through retirees and influx of high tech white collar professionals. There is no argument it is a more progressive than it was 20 years ago

Submitted by The-Shoveler on July 28, 2021 - 1:12pm.

IMO Even California has flipped several times from blue to red and back again. Would not surprise me too much to see if flip again someday. Not every republican is white as well.

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 28, 2021 - 2:16pm.

Of course over time anything could happen. And non-whites are overwhelming not republican taken as whole

Submitted by barnaby33 on July 28, 2021 - 3:12pm.

I'm always deeply suspect of anyone who conflates growth in Latino populations with a leftward political shift. Most Latinos are very conservative. They may have voted more liberal because of wedge issues, but for the most part their values align better with conservatives/Republicans.
Josh

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 28, 2021 - 3:23pm.

I did not specifically call out Latino but since you asked they lose votes based upon perceived racism and anit-immigration postiions in the party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_a...

Submitted by sdrealtor on August 3, 2021 - 6:27pm.

Looks like they may hit 110 tomorrow in St George.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 4, 2021 - 7:33am.

Indios 120. Humans live there. But how.

I once left a bottle of wine in my car out there by mistake and it exploded.

My new life plan is to spend every July or aug in Vermont. Maybe I need a Burlington timeshare.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 5, 2021 - 2:18pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
Looks like they may hit 110 tomorrow in St George.

111.

Money may be the least of our problems soon. The world has a fever.

Maybe invest in water

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