Goodbye to San Diego

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Submitted by EconProf on February 22, 2021 - 2:26am

After 45 years in San Diego as teacher, real estate investor, and contractor we are leaving. Apparently, so are a lot of other people. The cost of living, and especially the housing cost difference is one of the many reasons, and here are the specifics:
1. Our brand new custom-designed house will cost about 1/3 the price we are getting for our current house and be 10% larger, all on one level.
2. Our HOA will fall from $495/month to about $100. For that HOA we will be a two-block walk from a clubhouse with an exercise room, two pools (one summer, one winter), tennis courts, pickleball courts, etc., etc.
3. Our property taxes will fall from $16,500 per year to about $3000.
4. Monthly utility costs will be vastly lower.

Piggs are invited to guess our destination.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 18, 2021 - 5:52am.

Coronita wrote:
note to self.... dont piss off scardey....i didnt think it would be possible...but if one manages to achieve the almost impossibility...boy are you in for an inrefutable rude awakening...

holy sheet....

nice kittycat.. nice kittycat..

Just joshing. Ultimately, it's still therapy.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 18, 2021 - 6:00am.

deadzone wrote:
I've observed many older, retired folks falling into the extreme political propaganda stuff. We all know the Fox news stereotype. But I've seen the same thing with my own parents on the liberal side. I think it is a combination of early onset dementia and just not having any real world problems (ie job, family, etc) to deal with.

I sure hope when I am retired I have enough hobbies to keep my mind away from politics.

Maybe old people just watch too much news. My super liberal mom worries the world's going to hell too. I beg her to stop watching CNN for hours. She refuses.

As for me, my wife says I'm starting to sound more conservative the last few. YearsOf course, she's practically a pinko commie.

Submitted by Coronita on May 18, 2021 - 6:00am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Coronita wrote:
note to self.... dont piss off scardey....i didnt think it would be possible...but if one manages to achieve the almost impossibility...boy are you in for an inrefutable rude awakening...

holy sheet....

nice kittycat.. nice kittycat..

Just joshing. Ultimately, it's still therapy.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 18, 2021 - 6:17am.

Coronita wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Coronita wrote:
note to self.... dont piss off scardey....i didnt think it would be possible...but if one manages to achieve the almost impossibility...boy are you in for an inrefutable rude awakening...

holy sheet....

nice kittycat.. nice kittycat..

Just joshing. Ultimately, it's still therapy.

Better to be kind. I'm in the middle of assertiveness training related to personal issues and lost my way.

Submitted by Coronita on May 18, 2021 - 6:38am.

Quote:

Coronita wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Coronita wrote:
note to self.... dont piss off scardey....i didnt think it would be possible...but if one manages to achieve the almost impossibility...boy are you in for an inrefutable rude awakening...

holy sheet....

nice kittycat.. nice kittycat..

Just joshing. Ultimately, it's still therapy.

Better to be kind. I'm in the middle of assertiveness training related to personal issues and lost my way.

I was suppose to undergo sensitivity training... Whoops....

Submitted by Coronita on May 24, 2021 - 6:47am.

https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/cali...

California powered U.S. job growth last month, accounting for 38% of the country's new jobs. However, one professor tells The Los Angeles Times that the hiring spree seen in the state is from a "lockdown harder and longer than in many parts of the country." And the comeback has a long way to go: California still has to fill more than half of the jobs lost during the pandemic, and its unemployment rate has stalled at 8.3%. Economists are optimistic the rebound will strengthen after the state’s full reopening, slated for June 15.

Worst should be over...unless we have a proliferation of anti-vaxxer idiots that want to politicize getting a vaccine in as much wearing a mask.

Submitted by svelte on May 24, 2021 - 7:15am.

scaredyclassic wrote:

.Utah is NEVER gonna release a repeat offenor from jail? 3 shopliftings and you get life? deadzone will buy a house before you see you're full of crap! basically, the republicans of utah will talk a good game of "personal responsibility" and instead of actually taking responsibility for its people,

My wife and I travel all over. People always warned us to watch our for NYC, Rome and Naples but you know what? Not a single problem in those cities and we are out late at night often.

Know where we have had problems? Utah! Not once but on two separate trips we've had our cc number stolen while there. I tend to think Utahans may not be that bright so scammers can run scams there a long, long time before getting caught. Had to have our cc canceled and new ones sent during the trips. What a pain in the butt.

scaredyclassic wrote:

hunker down in utah old man. keep on believing you're getting "smarter". i think old people get crankier and dumber because of aches and pain, general inflammation, and decreased blood flow, and fear, fear based on weakness...a sense that the world is slipping away, out of control, and the only way to ensure predictable safety is to bring the hammer down hard on everyone who presents any risk whatsoever.

I think that's part of it and part of it is that old folks get tired of seeing the world make the same stupid mistakes. We all have a different idea on what those mistakes are, but whatever their viewpoint it gets old seeing very little being learned from prior generations.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 24, 2021 - 7:27am.

Like the world would be better if it listened to me, or econprof? Lol. Essentially, we are all in agreement...destroy and consume the earth. Our only quibble is how fast to consume it and how to divide the carcass...

Submitted by svelte on May 24, 2021 - 1:54pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Like the world would be better if it listened to me, or econprof? Lol. Essentially, we are all in agreement...destroy and consume the earth. Our only quibble is how fast to consume it and how to divide the carcass...

look at the bright side, scaredy. The sun isn't going to last forever anyway. And when its gone, what we did to Mother Earth will not matter one iota.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 24, 2021 - 3:03pm.

svelte wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Like the world would be better if it listened to me, or econprof? Lol. Essentially, we are all in agreement...destroy and consume the earth. Our only quibble is how fast to consume it and how to divide the carcass...

look at the bright side, scaredy. The sun isn't going to last forever anyway. And when its gone, what we did to Mother Earth will not matter one iota.

Sure. If I get real hungry, I can just eat my grandkids. No worries.

Submitted by zk on May 24, 2021 - 9:07pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:

Sure. If I get real hungry, I can just eat my grandkids. No worries.

Classic scaredyclassic right there. The succinctness with which you can make your arguments (even big ones) is a wonder to behold.

Submitted by sdrealtor on May 24, 2021 - 9:31pm.

welcome back zk. We are talking about real estate again:)

Submitted by zk on May 24, 2021 - 9:55pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
welcome back zk. We are talking about real estate again:)

Yeah, definitely not as interesting as it used to be. Scaredy always has something fascinating to say, though.

Submitted by sdrealtor on May 24, 2021 - 10:07pm.

To the contrary I think RE is as interesting as its ever been. The run up has been huge and no one knows what is coming next

Submitted by zk on May 24, 2021 - 10:33pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
To the contrary I think RE is as interesting as its ever been. The run up has been huge and no one knows what is coming next

I didn't mean real estate is less interesting now. I meant this forum is less interesting now.

I do read some of the real estate stuff; I like to keep up to date in case an opportunity that I can't resist presents itself. And it is certainly an interesting time in real estate. But, overall, this forum is still less interesting than it used to be. The non-real-estate conversations on a variety of subjects with intelligent, interesting people were lively and stimulating, and as those have waned, so has the fun of this forum.

I mainly show up to see what scaredy is saying. He's a very rare talent, and we're lucky he posts his wildly original, frequently fascinating, usually funny, sometimes thought-provoking thoughts on this forum.

Submitted by sdrealtor on May 25, 2021 - 5:53am.

You should spend some time on the wine blogs. There are tons of interesting, quirky, highly intelligent people and like him many are lawyers

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 25, 2021 - 6:28am.

Right now I'm suddenly deeply interested in men's issues. Was up late reading no more Mr nice guy, by Dr. Glover. I may have to make big changes in my life, including not seeking approval in chat groups.

Submitted by barnaby33 on June 1, 2021 - 12:05pm.

Having just driven through St George a couple of days ago, the amount of building there is just nuts. Also reading the billboards while driving through dropped my IQ by a solid 10-15 points. I suppose beauty has it's price!
Josh

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 1, 2021 - 12:55pm.

That doesnt leave you many left;)

Submitted by svelte on June 13, 2021 - 7:50am.

EconProf wrote:

Of course much of this change is due to simply getting old. As Winston Churchill said, paraphrasing, "To be young and not liberal is to have no heart. To be old and not conservative is to have no head."

When I was in my 30s and 40s, I used to say that quote a lot.

I haven't said it for about 10 years.

The reason is that, as I began approaching "old" I did not turn very conservative and I started to think about why that is, in relation to that quote. I've come to this conclusion: it is describing (young & liberal then old & conservative) a self-centered person.

Young folks are typically poorer and often need to leverage public benefits like student loans or grants, assistance with health care, child care or even food. As one ages and acquires wealth, those public benefits no longer benefit them and they view them as expenses. They vote to minimize the public benefits that they themselves once used. Think school bonds to support their local school district.

Self-centered.

Submitted by zk on June 13, 2021 - 8:00pm.

To be conservative (today's typical American conservative, anyway) at any age is to have no heart. And no head, for that matter, given that most of them believe that trump won the election.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 14, 2021 - 8:02am.

To be young and conservative is to be brainless.
To be old and liberal is to be brave.

I'm veering toward old and conservative. Should we be investing for the future? Isn't that kinda far off?

Proposition a: it is dumb to vote against your own interests

Proposition b: ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for yr country.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 14, 2021 - 8:05am.

zk wrote:
To be conservative (today's typical American conservative, anyway) at any age is to have no heart. And no head, for that matter, given that most of them believe that trump won the election.

Too many Americans have internalized Oprah's version of THE SECRET by Byrne.

Visualize and receive.

This is a sign of the end of democracy.

Submitted by svelte on June 14, 2021 - 8:05am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
To be young and conservative is to be brainless.
To be old and liberal is to be brave.

Love it!

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 14, 2021 - 9:54am.

if young people lack the foresight and planning to have been born in the more distant past, I don't see why older people should have any requirement to take care of these irresponsible latecomers.

Submitted by svelte on July 8, 2021 - 8:37am.

EconProf wrote:

The population is exploding as new residents come in from everywhere, especially CA. Because St. George schools are largely open, teachers tell of CA parents desperate to get their kids into in-person learning, so some are living in St. George motels in order to do so.

This just in.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new...

"The exodus of Californians forecast in recent news headlines isn’t likely to happen soon, UC San Diego researchers reported in a survey released Wednesday."

"Another facet of the study, conducted by Stanford and Cornell Universities, analyzed two decades of Franchise Tax Board Data and found no evidence that millionaires are fleeing the state, despite increased taxes on high-wage earners.

A separate analysis from Cornell University gave a different spin to the parable of the Golden State. It showed that California’s share of U.S. venture capital dollars rose from one-third of the national total in 1995 to nearly half by 2021, far eclipsing other large states, including New York, Florida and Texas."

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 8, 2021 - 9:07am.

I pretty much said the same on page one of the thread. I've heard these claims for decades. What's amazing is that the data driven econ prof falls back on anecdotes to bash the state that created his wealth because of his political views after saying from the outset he's moving to be around family. Such nonsense

Submitted by Hobie on July 8, 2021 - 9:34am.

We are losing a house seat based on census data showing less people.
https://apnews.com/article/census-2020-g...

Submitted by Coronita on July 8, 2021 - 10:15am.

Hobie wrote:
We are losing a house seat based on census data showing less people.
https://apnews.com/article/census-2020-government-and-politics-california-dd4a4f3ce3070231b0aecdc1cac3e97b

Well since everyone likes to claim "fake data" I'l throw this out. Didn't the previous admin intentionally try to undercount the people in this state by excluding undocumented people?

Submitted by Coronita on July 8, 2021 - 10:20am.

svelte wrote:
EconProf wrote:

The population is exploding as new residents come in from everywhere, especially CA. Because St. George schools are largely open, teachers tell of CA parents desperate to get their kids into in-person learning, so some are living in St. George motels in order to do so.

This just in.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new...

"The exodus of Californians forecast in recent news headlines isn’t likely to happen soon, UC San Diego researchers reported in a survey released Wednesday."

"Another facet of the study, conducted by Stanford and Cornell Universities, analyzed two decades of Franchise Tax Board Data and found no evidence that millionaires are fleeing the state, despite increased taxes on high-wage earners.

A separate analysis from Cornell University gave a different spin to the parable of the Golden State. It showed that California’s share of U.S. venture capital dollars rose from one-third of the national total in 1995 to nearly half by 2021, far eclipsing other large states, including New York, Florida and Texas."

Low wage workers leaving. High net worth coming in...

B10....

BINGO!

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