Goodbye to San Diego

User Forum Topic
Submitted by EconProf on February 22, 2021 - 2:26am

After 45 years in San Diego as teacher, real estate investor, and contractor we are leaving. Apparently, so are a lot of other people. The cost of living, and especially the housing cost difference is one of the many reasons, and here are the specifics:
1. Our brand new custom-designed house will cost about 1/3 the price we are getting for our current house and be 10% larger, all on one level.
2. Our HOA will fall from $495/month to about $100. For that HOA we will be a two-block walk from a clubhouse with an exercise room, two pools (one summer, one winter), tennis courts, pickleball courts, etc., etc.
3. Our property taxes will fall from $16,500 per year to about $3000.
4. Monthly utility costs will be vastly lower.

Piggs are invited to guess our destination.

Submitted by Myriad on May 4, 2021 - 9:24am.

The argument for moving to a different state is much stronger if you can't afford to own a SFR and you only option is a condo or don't currently own at home.
So basically no one on this forum, LOL

Submitted by Hobie on May 4, 2021 - 11:06am.

.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 4, 2021 - 10:56pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
sdrealtor wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Also, what abput the riff raff.

The Villages are calling you and Econ Prof

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9147745/Inside-Utopian-Disneyland-retirees-belies-sinister-underbelly-racism-orgies.html

DEFINITELY want to see that movie!!!..there's a writer, carl hiassen, who writes about various dirtbags, real estate developpers, criminals, weirdos in florida, fiction, he's funny, ive only read SKINNY DIP, made me firmly commit to NEVER moving to florida, even though it was comedic fiction.

Just finished SOME KIND OF HEAVEN, dark documentary set in the villages, Florida.

Five stars. Really well done. Dennis Dean, the 81 year old van dwelling Playboy steals the show. Rock star performance. Guy makes me wonder what the hell I've been worrying about. Amazing performance!

Submitted by The-Shoveler on May 5, 2021 - 8:02am.

Matt Foley

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 5, 2021 - 10:38am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
Matt Foley

No way. he's so fucking cool. 81. still partying. got tons of chicks. totally free. dude was an inspiration

Submitted by Coronita on May 9, 2021 - 7:42am.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-gov...

The interactive map shows in 2020 San Diego County lost 0.48% people, whereas riverside saw an increase of 0.56%

Hardly a mass exodus.

Submitted by sdrealtor on May 9, 2021 - 8:23am.

Less immigration due to Covid-19. Lower wage hospitality workers moved back home. Birth rate down. High cost of housing means less coming here but those that do are wealthier.

Will be interesting to watch over next decade. Could go either way

Submitted by gzz on May 10, 2021 - 11:49am.

I agree with SDR on major factors. Also seems like counties with a larger share of students had larger pop declines. Look at Santa Cruz at -3.5% in one year. Also look how Yolo Co (UC Davis) had a 1.7% loss while next door Sacramento was positive 0.5%.

Submitted by barnaby33 on May 11, 2021 - 12:07pm.

YOLO in Yolo, maybe once?
Josh

Submitted by svelte on May 12, 2021 - 3:24pm.

Well it had to happen. New home contracts being canceled in Utah. Hope your home is already built econ or you could be facing a contractor who now wants to renegotiate the price:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Hn088yvv4

Probably going to happen all over the US soon...

Submitted by sdrealtor on May 13, 2021 - 10:11am.

Utah and it's 3M residents had a $1.5B budget surplus. Sounds like a well run state. Poorly run California and it's 40M residents only had a $75B budget surplus

Submitted by Myriad on May 16, 2021 - 2:20pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Also, what abput the riff raff.

The Villages are calling you and Econ Prof

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9147745/Inside-Utopian-Disneyland-retirees-belies-sinister-underbelly-racism-orgies.html

I only read through half so far and it already sounds like dystopian hell for me.
Yeah, I guess if you live in the cold Northeast or Midwest, enjoy playing golf, and like chain restaurants, this is probably "heaven" .

For the rest of us in San Diego, the benefits don't seem so great comparatively.

I wonder if the writers of WestWorld spent some time there

Submitted by flyer on May 16, 2021 - 8:59pm.

Like so many of us on this forum, I know EP mentioned, along with the primary, he has/had? many investment properties. As mentioned in another thread, that's turned out to be much like winning the lottery--especially in San Diego--so, I'm guessing, he must have had significant reasons--other than financial--for making the move, and I wish him well.

Submitted by EconProf on May 17, 2021 - 6:23am.

Thanks Flyer, and you are quite right that the move was prompted less by financial motives than other factors.
Commentators on the left and the right agree that the nation is dividing into two geographic directions, or what could be called factions. The big cities, especially coastal ones versus the inland ones, the latter perhaps including the ex-urban parts of all cities.
Given current trends, I want to be part of the inland, more rural part. The culture, politics, and friendliness of the people are entirely different. We will never buy motels to house the homeless and addicted or free repeat-criminals from our jails or teach school children to be race-conscious. We won't close our schools unnecessarily. Our taxes and fiscal future will stay healthy, crime rates will stay low, and education levels high. Our influx of escaping "refugees" from the woke cities will continue.
As a long-ago liberal--it's hard to be a college teacher and not be liberal--my entry into the private sector via real estate investing and being a contractor in the inner city gave me a rude awakening.
Of course much of this change is due to simply getting old. As Winston Churchill said, paraphrasing, "To be young and not liberal is to have no heart. To be old and not conservative is to have no head."

Submitted by svelte on May 17, 2021 - 7:01am.

sdrealtor wrote:
Utah and it's 3M residents had a $1.5B budget surplus. Sounds like a well run state. Poorly run California and it's 40M residents only had a $75B budget surplus

+1

Yeah California society is pretty f'ed up all right. :-)

Submitted by phaster on May 17, 2021 - 8:11am.

EconProf wrote:

As a long-ago liberal--it's hard to be a college teacher and not be liberal--my entry into the private sector via real estate investing and being a contractor in the inner city gave me a rude awakening.
Of course much of this change is due to simply getting old. As Winston Churchill said, paraphrasing, "To be young and not liberal is to have no heart. To be old and not conservative is to have no head."

sigh,... seems local elected leadership didn't get the Churchill memo

Submitted by sdrealtor on May 17, 2021 - 9:43am.

EconProf wrote:
Thanks Flyer, and you are quite right that the move was prompted less by financial motives than other factors.
Commentators on the left and the right agree that the nation is dividing into two geographic directions, or what could be called factions. The big cities, especially coastal ones versus the inland ones, the latter perhaps including the ex-urban parts of all cities.
Given current trends, I want to be part of the inland, more rural part. The culture, politics, and friendliness of the people are entirely different. We will never buy motels to house the homeless and addicted or free repeat-criminals from our jails or teach school children to be race-conscious. We won't close our schools unnecessarily. Our taxes and fiscal future will stay healthy, crime rates will stay low, and education levels high. Our influx of escaping "refugees" from the woke cities will continue.
As a long-ago liberal--it's hard to be a college teacher and not be liberal--my entry into the private sector via real estate investing and being a contractor in the inner city gave me a rude awakening.
Of course much of this change is due to simply getting old. As Winston Churchill said, paraphrasing, "To be young and not liberal is to have no heart. To be old and not conservative is to have no head."

What hogwash and intellectual dishonesty. You moved to be near your children and grandchildren. You could've just left it at that! If they were here you still would be and you know that. You're just using your move to be near them as an excuse to bash CA on your way out.

Submitted by Coronita on May 17, 2021 - 11:08am.

EconProf wrote:
Thanks Flyer, and you are quite right that the move was prompted less by financial motives than other factors.
Commentators on the left and the right agree that the nation is dividing into two geographic directions, or what could be called factions. The big cities, especially coastal ones versus the inland ones, the latter perhaps including the ex-urban parts of all cities.
Given current trends, I want to be part of the inland, more rural part. The culture, politics, and friendliness of the people are entirely different. We will never buy motels to house the homeless and addicted or free repeat-criminals from our jails or teach school children to be race-conscious. We won't close our schools unnecessarily. Our taxes and fiscal future will stay healthy, crime rates will stay low, and education levels high. Our influx of escaping "refugees" from the woke cities will continue.
As a long-ago liberal--it's hard to be a college teacher and not be liberal--my entry into the private sector via real estate investing and being a contractor in the inner city gave me a rude awakening.
Of course much of this change is due to simply getting old. As Winston Churchill said, paraphrasing, "To be young and not liberal is to have no heart. To be old and not conservative is to have no head."

Why do people after a certain age roughly past 60+ feel so compelled to be so hateful? I mean, is there some sort of thing that once you get past 60, something happens in the brain chemistry that people just tend to process bitterness/anger more readily than things positive?

I see this in some of my own relatives. It's like there's a mental short circuit or something, and higher brain function starts to process negativity/bitter/hate often times choosing to process false negativity rather than truth positives.

I say this because I have a relative that watches fox news and cnn news. And while both news tend to lie and distort on different issues, fox news tends to do so by negative lies....cnn tends to lie on false positive lies... But the lies that I see being processed and believed are the falsehoods on Fox News, the hate rhetoric...I got this relative that actually believes 5G can cause covid because he read it on one of the alt-right "news outlets"... This is a guy who studied applied and engineering physics in college....

I don't get it.

Submitted by sdrealtor on May 17, 2021 - 1:49pm.

As I always say. California leads, the rest follow

https://patch.com/california/san-francis...

Submitted by an on May 17, 2021 - 1:54pm.

Coronita wrote:
EconProf wrote:
Thanks Flyer, and you are quite right that the move was prompted less by financial motives than other factors.
Commentators on the left and the right agree that the nation is dividing into two geographic directions, or what could be called factions. The big cities, especially coastal ones versus the inland ones, the latter perhaps including the ex-urban parts of all cities.
Given current trends, I want to be part of the inland, more rural part. The culture, politics, and friendliness of the people are entirely different. We will never buy motels to house the homeless and addicted or free repeat-criminals from our jails or teach school children to be race-conscious. We won't close our schools unnecessarily. Our taxes and fiscal future will stay healthy, crime rates will stay low, and education levels high. Our influx of escaping "refugees" from the woke cities will continue.
As a long-ago liberal--it's hard to be a college teacher and not be liberal--my entry into the private sector via real estate investing and being a contractor in the inner city gave me a rude awakening.
Of course much of this change is due to simply getting old. As Winston Churchill said, paraphrasing, "To be young and not liberal is to have no heart. To be old and not conservative is to have no head."

Why do people after a certain age roughly past 60+ feel so compelled to be so hateful? I mean, is there some sort of thing that once you get past 60, something happens in the brain chemistry that people just tend to process bitterness/anger more readily than things positive?

I see this in some of my own relatives. It's like there's a mental short circuit or something, and higher brain function starts to process negativity/bitter/hate often times choosing to process false negativity rather than truth positives.

I say this because I have a relative that watches fox news and cnn news. And while both news tend to lie and distort on different issues, fox news tends to do so by negative lies....cnn tends to lie on false positive lies... But the lies that I see being processed and believed are the falsehoods on Fox News, the hate rhetoric...I got this relative that actually believes 5G can cause covid because he read it on one of the alt-right "news outlets"... This is a guy who studied applied and engineering physics in college....

I don't get it.


I would say the positive vs negative will depend on which side is in the white house. Every time I turn on CNN during Trump, I would get an impression that the sky is falling and now, it's Fox's turn.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on May 17, 2021 - 3:32pm.

an wrote:

I would say the positive vs negative will depend on which side is in the white house. Every time I turn on CNN during Trump, I would get an impression that the sky is falling and now, it's Fox's turn.

LOL yes its a sad state of affairs where our major news media outlets have basically become propaganda outlets for one extreme view or the other.

Probably the only thing keeping CNN alive is Trump LOL, they don't really do world news anymore or for the last 5 or so years.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 17, 2021 - 4:27pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
EconProf wrote:
Thanks Flyer, and you are quite right that the move was prompted less by financial motives than other factors.
Commentators on the left and the right agree that the nation is dividing into two geographic directions, or what could be called factions. The big cities, especially coastal ones versus the inland ones, the latter perhaps including the ex-urban parts of all cities.
Given current trends, I want to be part of the inland, more rural part. The culture, politics, and friendliness of the people are entirely different. We will never buy motels to house the homeless and addicted or free repeat-criminals from our jails or teach school children to be race-conscious. We won't close our schools unnecessarily. Our taxes and fiscal future will stay healthy, crime rates will stay low, and education levels high. Our influx of escaping "refugees" from the woke cities will continue.
As a long-ago liberal--it's hard to be a college teacher and not be liberal--my entry into the private sector via real estate investing and being a contractor in the inner city gave me a rude awakening.
Of course much of this change is due to simply getting old. As Winston Churchill said, paraphrasing, "To be young and not liberal is to have no heart. To be old and not conservative is to have no head."

What hogwash and intellectual dishonesty. You moved to be near your children and grandchildren. You could've just left it at that! If they were here you still would be and you know that. You're just using your move to be near them as an excuse to bash CA on your way out.

utah's just 1 percent black. maybe utah schools can just teach that there's such a thing as other races, and work up to race consciousness, since your grandkids probably wont ever actually interact witha black kid at
school. and wait...Utah is NEVER gonna release a repeat offenor from jail? 3 shopliftings and you get life? deadzone will buy a house before you see you're full of crap! basically, the republicans of utah will talk a good game of "personal responsibility" and instead of actually taking responsibility for its people, they'll export their problems of their homeless people who fail to get with the program to california, not keep them in utah jails forever. haha! sucks to get old. Us Old people think we have more brains, but really it's just a narrowing, of the arteries, the heart, the vision for the future.

hunker down in utah old man. keep on believing you're getting "smarter". i think old people get crankier and dumber because of aches and pain, general inflammation, and decreased blood flow, and fear, fear based on weakness...a sense that the world is slipping away, out of control, and the only way to ensure predictable safety is to bring the hammer down hard on everyone who presents any risk whatsoever.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 17, 2021 - 4:55pm.

Also, Churchill never said that quote about liberals.

https://winstonchurchill.org/resources/q...

I'm not saying that to be pedantic or be smarter than you. I'm saying your head, and my head, is stuffed full of SHIT that is flat out UNTRUE. For instance your claim that Utah people are FRIENDLIER. Haha

https://sltrib.com/news/education/2020/0...

Clearly the state of Utah doesn't value education with money. Not sure how that bodes for the future. On the bright side, old rich farts like you who decamp with their cali cash what ch they never would've made in Utah, don't have to pay taxes to help the little fuckers in school by way of taxes. Haha. Winning....you get to piss on the state that made you rich, and give none of it back to where you're going.

Brilliant

I really doubt the neighbors will LOVE a Know it all California professor...

Submitted by sdrealtor on May 17, 2021 - 4:57pm.

/\ this

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 17, 2021 - 6:15pm.

interesting website; quoteinvestigator...tries to track down where this liberal/conservative brains heart quote actually came from...

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/24...

In 1923 the “Wall Street Journal” credited King Oscar II of Sweden with a version of the remark using the word “socialist” instead of “républicain” or “republican”.

By 1929 the saying had inspired the title of a play: “Before You’re 25” by Kenyon Nicholson which opened in New York and received a lukewarm review by a well-known drama critic:

.....

BUT: the one I like best is playwright george bernard shaw's version, which basically subverts the meaning you intend...

... a thematically connected statement was made by George Bernard Shaw when he delivered a speech at the University of Hong Kong in 1933:

If you don’t begin to be a revolutionist at the age of twenty then at fifty you will be an impossible old fossil. If you are a red revolutionary at the age of twenty you have some chance of being up to date when you are forty.

So, yeah, you botched not only the attribution of the quote, but its probable actual meaning, which is, move somewhat to the middle from your youthful extreme, or risk becoming a useless old fart who's stuck in a fairy tale past conservative fantasy land that doesn't and shouldnt exist.

No one wants to be an "impossible old fossil", right.

maybe itd be better for you to stay in so cal, where the youth culture, the sun and salt air, the vibrant populace and culture that INFLUENCES THE ENTIRE WORLD has a chance of keeping you out of fossildom!

let me ask you this; if me and Flyer can acquire the international exclusive rights to the property BEFORE YOU'RE 25, the play, would you be willing to finance a production at a local theatre? I can guarantee you 35% of the proceeds from any subsequent movie deal.

I guess at heart I am PROUD of california and hate when people piss on it. Retirement fantasies are for the old, the dying, the fossils.

Submitted by Coronita on May 17, 2021 - 9:05pm.

note to self.... dont piss off scardey....i didnt think it would be possible...but if one manages to achieve the almost impossibility...boy are you in for an inrefutable rude awakening...

holy sheet....

nice kittycat.. nice kittycat..

Submitted by flyer on May 17, 2021 - 9:43pm.

scaredy, I'll have to let you go solo on the play deal. My wife is the movie/play deal maker around our house, and she has more projects than she'll ever be able to complete in this lifetime. Don't know if there is a market for the type of project you're considering, but you never know what might sell.

Personally, I don't think EP deserves this much venom, just because his views may be different from those held by others. Conflicting views never bother me, because I realize each side always assumes they are absolutely right, which, of course, in and of itself, is a faulty premise. That premise as a given, I just consider the entire discourse on both sides nothing more or less than interesting.

Submitted by deadzone on May 17, 2021 - 11:34pm.

I've observed many older, retired folks falling into the extreme political propaganda stuff. We all know the Fox news stereotype. But I've seen the same thing with my own parents on the liberal side. I think it is a combination of early onset dementia and just not having any real world problems (ie job, family, etc) to deal with.

I sure hope when I am retired I have enough hobbies to keep my mind away from politics.

Submitted by Coronita on May 18, 2021 - 4:17am.

flyer wrote:
scaredy, I'll have to let you go solo on the play deal. My wife is the movie/play deal maker around our house, and she has more projects than she'll ever be able to complete in this lifetime. Don't know if there is a market for the type of project you're considering, but you never know what might sell.

Personally, I don't think EP deserves this much venom, just because his views may be different from those held by others. Conflicting views never bother me, because I realize each side always assumes they are absolutely right, which, of course, in and of itself, is a faulty premise. That premise as a given, I just consider the entire discourse on both sides nothing more or less than interesting.

Work, dealmaker???? pfff....only plebian poor people work...rich people are too busy comparing their yacht sizes...

Submitted by Coronita on May 18, 2021 - 5:53am.

.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.