Fantastic article!

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Submitted by NeetaT on March 6, 2020 - 11:06am

It appears that the CA public school system is viewed as a giant wrecking ball and I couldn't agree more.

https://mailchi.mp/calpolicycenter.org/r...

Submitted by svelte on March 6, 2020 - 12:42pm.

Why in the hell do you live in California? You never have anything good to say about it that I can recall.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 6, 2020 - 1:35pm.

Svelte, you forgot to say “please move forthwith and stay away. I’m sure some of us will help you pack.”

I’m being facetious.

Submitted by NeetaT on March 6, 2020 - 8:55pm.

OK, so I guess the people writing these articles should also leave CA. All they are doing is calling out an avaricious / profligate government. The California Policy Center is assessing CA in real time.

Submitted by Coronita on March 7, 2020 - 10:43am.

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Submitted by Coronita on March 7, 2020 - 10:34am.

NeetaT wrote:
OK, so I guess the people writing these articles should also leave CA. All they are doing is calling out an avaricious / profligate government. The California Policy Center is assessing CA in real time.

yes.

Lots of people should leave california. For a lot of people, it no longer financially makes sense to stay in CA. Certainly if you a minimum wage worker, you would be far better off in another state, where your dollars would go a lot longer way and there wouldn't be such a long waiting period for government help. That's just reality. Some people want to point the problem at the state government . Some people are pointing the fingers at wealth inequality. It's a combination of the two probably where it's probably much harder for someone starting out to succeed here in CA then it is for those that's been here some time and have a significant investment in some of the expensive assets in this state. Housing is a good example. Home prices are expensive here and so is rent prices . someone in minimum wage will have a tough lifestyle here and struggle a lot. Meanwhile, homeowners get the protection of a low prop tax and have equity to play with. Also CA tends to reward people typically who have the higher paid careers versus other states, whereas people who are minimum wage workers need to find lower cost places in US where then can have a decent lifestyle. Most of CA isn't it.
That's what there's some migration in to this state and others migrating out. Incoming folks tend to be professionals from Jersey and Illinois. There was an dozen of articles about this.

Submitted by TheBrianNarrative on March 7, 2020 - 11:42am.

So in come buyers from the north east out go liars from Hawaii

Submitted by svelte on March 7, 2020 - 12:16pm.

NeetaT wrote:
OK, so I guess the people writing these articles should also leave CA. All they are doing is calling out an avaricious / profligate government. The California Policy Center is assessing CA in real time.

I didn't say you should leave, I asked why you live here.

The fact is there are 49 other states and surely one of them is closer to your ideals. Why don't you live there?

I know a family right now who is not happy with CA so they are moving to the Texas coast. They are taking action on their dissatisfaction. Personally I think they'll find a whole nuther set of things to be unhappy about, but maybe not.

I think it was Will Rogers who said most people are about as happy as they make up their mind to be.

Submitted by svelte on March 7, 2020 - 12:18pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Svelte, you forgot to say “please move forthwith and stay away. I’m sure some of us will help you pack.”

I’m being facetious.

I don't really care if s/he stays or goes.

I'm just wondering why someone would put themselves in a situation where they are so bitter and unhappy.

Facetious - is that your new favorite word? You've used it in at least two threads in the last 24 hours.

Submitted by Hobie on March 7, 2020 - 12:49pm.

svelte wrote:
Will Rogers who said most people are about as happy as they make up their mind to be.

This is so true!

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 8, 2020 - 12:18am.

NeetaT wrote:
OK, so I guess the people writing these articles should also leave CA. All they are doing is calling out an avaricious / profligate government. The California Policy Center is assessing CA in real time.

It’s the traitorous critic argument. If you criticize, especially the prevailing thinking, then you’re a traitor and you should leave. But If you believe that the USA is #1, you can still live in another state.

On another thread, Flu told me to move to China and stay there because i praised some of the things they do. I didn’t even criticize the USA.
In that case, the traitorous critic fallacy was expanded to encompass praising a competitor. So be careful, if you praise Kansas, you must also leave California.

Submitted by Coronita on March 8, 2020 - 12:39am.

svelte wrote:
NeetaT wrote:
OK, so I guess the people writing these articles should also leave CA. All they are doing is calling out an avaricious / profligate government. The California Policy Center is assessing CA in real time.

I didn't say you should leave, I asked why you live here.

The fact is there are 49 other states and surely one of them is closer to your ideals. Why don't you live there?

I know a family right now who is not happy with CA so they are moving to the Texas coast. They are taking action on their dissatisfaction. Personally I think they'll find a whole nuther set of things to be unhappy about, but maybe not.

I think it was Will Rogers who said most people are about as happy as they make up their mind to be.

Austin and Dallas ain't bad. But they ain't exactly cheap living there now too. I kinda like it when I was there a few times. I dunno but I somehow always end up with a lot of friends from Texas, maybe being born and lived there had something to do with it. Hey, maybe that explains it. Maybe I really do have a cousin named Bubba with a missing front tooth. That would be awesome. Yeeehaw!

Submitted by an on March 8, 2020 - 1:00am.

flu wrote:
Austin and Dallas ain't bad. But they ain't exactly cheap living there now too. I kinda like it when I was there a few times. I dunno but I somehow always end up with a lot of friends from Texas, maybe being born and lived there had something to do with it. Hey, maybe that explains it. Maybe I really do have a cousin named Bubba with a missing front tooth. That would be awesome. Yeeehaw!

Austin is still hella cheap. https://www.tollbrothers.com/luxury-home.... 4200 sq-ft luxury house for $575k? That's a lot cheaper than Fresno, much less San Diego.

Submitted by Coronita on March 8, 2020 - 9:09am.

AN wrote:
flu wrote:
Austin and Dallas ain't bad. But they ain't exactly cheap living there now too. I kinda like it when I was there a few times. I dunno but I somehow always end up with a lot of friends from Texas, maybe being born and lived there had something to do with it. Hey, maybe that explains it. Maybe I really do have a cousin named Bubba with a missing front tooth. That would be awesome. Yeeehaw!

Austin is still hella cheap. https://www.tollbrothers.com/luxury-home.... 4200 sq-ft luxury house for $575k? That's a lot cheaper than Fresno, much less San Diego.

True, it's more expensive than the rest of texas. But lots of high tech jobs and the employees aren't really paying that much lower than here in sd. One of my last tenant that moved there before the QC layoffs happened a year or two ago( I forget when, short term memory with old age is failing lol) . He ended up doing pretty well because I think a company out their paid him San Diego embedded software engineer wages sponsored his green card and started the process right away, and last he sent to me was a pix of his beautiful gnormous house there that I think he paid $700k for, but it's supposedly in the best area with the best school distric. His property taxes are much larger, but no state income tax I think.

I think he had an offer from Bay Area company too and had asked where he should go, and I mentioned Austin wasn't bad if you can stand the heat and SF is overrated especially with a family,.and you won't be able to buy a decent SFH for sometime unless you hit the stock/rsu bandwagon. And apparently once he moved there he felt pretty good about it since there are a lot of people exactly like him that did the same thing.Glad it worked out for him , his wife, and his newborn. He was tired of paying me rent for a 1/1 the past 4 years.

Submitted by an on March 8, 2020 - 4:09pm.

flu wrote:

True, it's more expensive than the rest of texas. But lots of high tech jobs and the employees aren't really paying that much lower than here in sd. One of my last tenant that moved there before the QC layoffs happened a year or two ago( I forget when, short term memory with old age is failing lol) . He ended up doing pretty well because I think a company out their paid him San Diego embedded software engineer wages sponsored his green card and started the process right away, and last he sent to me was a pix of his beautiful gnormous house there that I think he paid $700k for, but it's supposedly in the best area with the best school distric. His property taxes are much larger, but no state income tax I think.

I think he had an offer from Bay Area company too and had asked where he should go, and I mentioned Austin wasn't bad if you can stand the heat and SF is overrated especially with a family,.and you won't be able to buy a decent SFH for sometime unless you hit the stock/rsu bandwagon. And apparently once he moved there he felt pretty good about it since there are a lot of people exactly like him that did the same thing.Glad it worked out for him , his wife, and his newborn. He was tired of paying me rent for a 1/1 the past 4 years.

This is why I don't understand why people would rather living in places like Fresno than Austin. Same goes for people who are struggling on at 40k-ish salary. You could be buying your own home on that salary vs having to be on food stamp because you're well below the poverty level here.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 9, 2020 - 10:22am.

Dallas is not really suitable for “disgusted” Californians to relocate to. Maybe Amarillo.
Definitely not Austin.

They are supposed to build a HSR between. Dallas and Houston. That would be too much to bear.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/tr...

Submitted by Coronita on March 9, 2020 - 10:55am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Dallas is not really suitable for “disgusted” Californians to relocate to. Maybe Amarillo.
Definitely not Austin.

They are supposed to build a HSR between. Dallas and Houston. That would be too much to bear.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/transportation/article/Company-announces-14-billion-deal-with-build-14437777.php

You sir continue to paint that broad brushstroke for people.. It's sad and funny at the same time. I'm sure in real life that must make you reaaally popular.

The main reason why some people hate public transportation in CA is because it sucks because the way infrastructure was done earlier, it's difficult to use, not efficient, and not reliable, especially in SoCal, which is car capital. Up in the Bay Area, I don't think you will hear many people complain about bart, or the caltrain.
I loved using calltrain when I had to briefly work in SF during a startup day, when I lived in Santa Clara. Parking was free, I hopped on a train, and for the next 50 minutes could do whatever I wanted. That lasted until the company went public and, acquired a company in Sunnyvale, and then we all moved down there.

Plus, in CA we have a lot of bureaucrat things that make it difficult simply to run a train system through CA. Look at the ridiculous disastrous high speed train effort that in CA that failed miserably, wasting a boatload of money in part duet bureaucracy.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the new trolley train that they are putting in San Diego that connects the La Jolla/UTC area to downtown. Awesome SD is getting it done.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 9, 2020 - 11:30am.

Really, flu? You’re the one who assigns nicknames to people a la Trump.

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