Escondido - Harmony Grove Village - Cavalli?

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Submitted by bryan995 on July 28, 2018 - 7:08pm

Visited the Cavalli grand opening within Harmony Grove Village (escondido) today.

Houses seem quite nice, and these seem to be the only new construction detached homes < 800K in the greater SD area ... Quite a few 4/3 2800sqft homes for ~$670.

We are renting now, since 2016. paying $2600 for a 2/2 in UTC. Love the UTC location but want to find something larger. Young family with 1 child (1yr old, planning for 2nd.

We've also looked at PHR up in carmel valley and love the area, but prices are now 1.2+, and just too much of a stretch for comfort.

Any insights / thoughts on the HGV area of escondido? HGV in particular?
We've be coming down to both downtown and UTC area (quite the drive I suspect).

Thanks!

Submitted by gzz on July 29, 2018 - 1:02pm.

Congratulations on the babies and saving up the down payment.

If you have a 700k budget and have La Jolla/Downtown commutes, Claremont seems a much better option. Here's a 1700sf 4/2:

https://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-180038635-5...

Here's a newer 2000sf 4/3 for $829k:

https://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-180037506-4...

Escondido may have mello roos and HOA so $829 in claremont might have the same payments as $729 in new developments.

Submitted by flyer on July 29, 2018 - 6:15pm.

With pricing so relatively reasonable compared to other locations in San Diego, I can definitely see why you'd be considering HGV, but, based upon what you've mentioned regarding your commutes, imo, finding something further south might also be a consideration.

Also, even though your children are very young, you will want to think about school districts, so that's another important consideration when deciding on a home, and here's a great resource for that:

https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/wp-conte...

For young families, purchasing a home in San Diego is definitely a challenge on many fronts, so, you'll just have to prioritize your needs/wants, and decide what makes the most sense.

Best of luck!

Submitted by Myriad on July 29, 2018 - 6:25pm.

After looking at some 1800-2200 sq ft townhomes in Del Sur that are $700k and $4-6k in mello roos, and $400 in HOA, those prices in HGV look great.
But as other posters mentioned, HGV is tough commute to UTC. At least with DT, you can take the express bus.

Submitted by Ribbles on July 30, 2018 - 6:45am.

If it helps, I can tell you that my wife did the Temecula to UTC commute for many years. At 10am with fastpass it was one hour. I know that's very different from 8am, so it's probably worth your time to test it from Escondido one morning.

Having small kids with a long commute is not easy. Now that ours are older and she works locally, there's a lot less stressing on schedules. I think of my Carlsbad commute (work 6-3) to be downtime and even fun for a good portion. Lots of twisties.

Also consider the cost of gas, maintenance, wear items, and depreciation on your cars. Wow does it add up. A 20-minute commute instead of an hour commute is the equivalent of giving yourself a $10-15k+ raise, depending on how much additional child care you need and what kind of cars you buy.

Submitted by bryan995 on July 30, 2018 - 11:20am.

Thanks for all of the comments.

Agreed that HGV is just a too much of a hike given our current work commutes.
We appreciate the insights and advice. It looked as if it would be 1 hour+ for each of us..

As of now, HGV is out. We also disliked the fact that the development is in what seems to be a a wildfire hotspot? Not much to do in the surrounding area. And that the schools are average to sub-par. We also disliked the obvious climate differences, moving from semi-coastal to inland and HOT would be a difficult adjustment.

If only there was newer construction right where we are now, priced at 800k ;)

We took a look at the Weston in Santee as well. Pardee & Tri-point homes. Again very nice, lots of amenities we would enjoy. Priced right around $700K for a 4/3 2600sqft (+20k for required solar). The commute to work doesn't seem all that bad, 20 mins and 33 mins. But going back home looks to be 45mins and 45 mins (unless we can negotiate some creative work hours + 1 day working at home - very possible). Again same issues as HGV, high hoa, mello-roos, much hotter climate etc. But we'd get the style of home that we are looking for, modern/open/spanish style.

Decisions decisions ...

Submitted by bryan995 on July 30, 2018 - 11:18am.

dupe, sorry.

Submitted by gzz on July 30, 2018 - 1:51pm.

Ahhh the young generation with their high sq footage requirements!

My childhood homes were all 4/2.5 2000sf and seemed like plenty of space for 2 adults and 3 kids.

TVs and PCs are also smaller now, making living rooms and study areas less bulky. Those first PCs had 60 lb CRT monitors, external disk drives, external modem, space around everything to ventilate the heat, cords everywhere.

Submitted by spdrun on July 30, 2018 - 2:13pm.

Yes, but sproglets stay inside yappin' on Snapchat and gaming instead of actually playing outside. And idiot American neighbors would likely call the pigs on someone who lets their kids (zOMG) play outside, unsupervised.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 30, 2018 - 2:24pm.

gzz wrote:
Ahhh the young generation with their high sq footage requirements!

My childhood homes were all 4/2.5 2000sf and seemed like plenty of space for 2 adults and 3 kids.

TVs and PCs are also smaller now, making living rooms and study areas less bulky. Those first PCs had 60 lb CRT monitors, external disk drives, external modem, space around everything to ventilate the heat, cords everywhere.

Big is nice. But good design is better. I appreciate nice design and location, location, location.

Submitted by ucodegen on July 30, 2018 - 2:58pm.

spdrun wrote:
Yes, but sproglets stay inside yappin' on Snapchat and gaming instead of actually playing outside. And idiot American neighbors would likely call the pigs on someone who lets their kids (zOMG) play outside, unsupervised.

For those who think it doesn't happen, or that it is far fetched;
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...
more info on the prev noted case:
https://www.thenation.com/article/has-ch...

Canada:
https://www.scarymommy.com/mom-child-ser...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/14/fl...
http://time.com/3728832/child-neglect-ma...

Notes on consequences of kids not having 'unstructured' time;
https://inhabitat.com/inhabitots/the-con...

Submitted by spdrun on July 30, 2018 - 3:11pm.

Yep -- people (and the assholes in authority) in the so-called "land of the free" have an extremely hard time minding their own damn business and keeping their traps zipped when something doesn't concern them.

Though I suspect there was more to some of those stories, like a bad blood between neighbors and someone looking for an excuse to make their neighbor's life difficult. Also, Ukrainian Village in Chicago is relatively white, and the mom in question just so happened to be of Afro-Latina heritage...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 30, 2018 - 3:09pm.

A condo association where I am a board member sends letters and fines people for letting play unsupervised. I’m ok with that because kids destroy property.

Submitted by spdrun on July 30, 2018 - 3:15pm.

I'd be OK with some of the board members responsible for this policy being hit with a discrimination suit. Or just being kicked in the junque repeatedly by an irate parent.

Want total peace and quiet? Buy yourself a nice big trailer somewhere out in the desert. String some barbed wire around it and keep a junkyard dog if it pleases you. Don't snitch on your neighbors because they have a family and you were too miserable for anyone to breed with you.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 30, 2018 - 4:47pm.

Ouch, that was hard.
I used to play unsupervised and even took bus and subway as a child when we lived in different countries. Even in US, we played unsupervised, but we didn’t venture in the city.

But kids these days are little monsters and I care more about my property values.

Submitted by spdrun on July 30, 2018 - 6:44pm.

If kids aren't socialized to play outside and are stuck inside, then they'll BECOME little monsters when finally let outside. You're failing to grasp the direction of causation.

Submitted by bryan995 on July 30, 2018 - 6:54pm.

Hard to find anything new under 2500sqft. It seems all builders are going for these days are 5/4 3500sqft mcmansions. I'd gladly scoop up something newer and smaller in a better location. 4/2.5 2000sqft sounds perfect ( assuming newer with an open layout ;) ). All of the older homes in UTC/clairemont area seem to need so much work. From what I can see most are littered with DIY re-models and repairs.

Even though I see the absurdity in buying a massive newer home, there seem to be plenty of buyers lining up for these. So why not play the game, enjoy the property and then sell it to the next millennial with oversized dreams? :).

Submitted by spdrun on July 30, 2018 - 6:59pm.

So don't buy new -- most new houses are formaldehyde-infested ticky-tacky boxes anyway. Buy in a nice, established area.

Submitted by gzz on July 30, 2018 - 9:03pm.

"It seems all builders are going for these days are 5/4 3500sqft mcmansions."

It doesn't cost a lot more to add that extra 1000sf, so they do it everywhere.

That is one reason I prefer older areas of San Diego, it feels a little claustrophobic in the new areas that are basically suburban, but every single house is built to the absolute max SF and lot coverage.

So with that bias, if you want something newer and without any additions, the old suburbs like La Mesa, San Carlos, and Tierrasanta.

The remodel on this one looks very well done. The outside says Brady Bunch, the inside is modern and cozy, though the staging furniture looks kind of ugly and uncomfortable. I wouldn't want to sit on a single one of those chairs.

https://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-180041510-6...

Submitted by Ribbles on July 31, 2018 - 6:41am.

bryan995 wrote:
4/2.5 2000sqft sounds perfect

Our previous home was a 2,000sf 4/2.75 with a great layout in Temecula. It was perfect for us and our kids actually miss it, even though we're in a much bigger place now. We probably looked at 20-30 homes built in 1995-2005 before finding it, and nearly all of the others had terrible floor plans. "What were they thinking??" 70's houses are better, with the exception of the tiny kitchens, and if the neighborhood is really well-kept, the dated architecture ends up being kinda cool. Like stepping out of a time machine.

Anyway yes 2,000sf is plenty big for a family of 4-5. I grew up with 5 in 1,400sf and it never seemed too small. Of course the big back yard helped.

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