electric vs gas

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Submitted by moneymaker on August 17, 2018 - 8:27am

So in the last 5 years what has gone up more electricity or gasoline. My guess would be electricity. I'm already using all the electricity my solar produces so why would I buy an electric vehicle? Tax write off is the only reason I can think of right now. Evidently SDG&E can just raise rates whenever they see a problem coming down the road.
Current vehicle is a diesel that gets 40+ mpg highway.

Submitted by spdrun on August 17, 2018 - 9:49am.

Maybe there are more important things than pure cost, like being part of the expungement of fossil-fueled transport from Mother Earth...

Submitted by outtamojo on August 17, 2018 - 10:40am.

Go test drive a Tesla and then decide...if you go electric there should be a few more viable alternatives coming out in the next year or so.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 17, 2018 - 10:56am.

Some people enjoy free parking and charging at work.

Submitted by moneymaker on August 17, 2018 - 9:23pm.

Is charging really free these days? I was under the impression one has to pay nowadays.

Submitted by outtamojo on August 17, 2018 - 11:06pm.

A lot of hotels offer free charging for guests.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 18, 2018 - 7:42am.

my ebike charges for pennies.

10 mile hilly commute feels like an easy stroll, can do it even when exhausted.

Submitted by barnaby33 on August 18, 2018 - 9:05am.

Is adding onto your solar to have extra capacity for a car, not an option? That or something like a powerwall to charge during the day so you can charge the car at night? Cost is probably not the good reason to go electric if it is your only reason. There is at least one major improvement coming down the pike in ICE engines that will push efficiency up to around 50-55 mpg for smaller cars.

Josh

Submitted by RichardJamesEsquire on August 18, 2018 - 9:29am.

um natural gas is a fossil fuel. Over half of SDGE's electricity comes from burning it...

Submitted by spdrun on August 18, 2018 - 11:11am.

Yep, NIMBY cowards in California are closing clean, efficient nuclear power plants instead of building new ones.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 18, 2018 - 12:32pm.

RichardJamesEsquire wrote:
um natural gas is a fossil fuel. Over half of SDGE's electricity comes from burning it...

That’s ok, the power plants are further east.

Electric transport will clean up noise and emissions pollution in the cities making them proportionately more desirable than they already are today.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 18, 2018 - 12:52pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
my ebike charges for pennies.

10 mile hilly commute feels like an easy stroll, can do it even when exhausted.

I think it would be cool if cities develop where the majority of people move around on bikes. Ebikes can pull carts to transport large items. Denmark, the Netherlands, potentially China on a big scale.

This is how I picture you scaredy:
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/lates...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 18, 2018 - 1:27pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
my ebike charges for pennies.

10 mile hilly commute feels like an easy stroll, can do it even when exhausted.

I think it would be cool if cities develop where the majority of people move around on bikes. Ebikes can pull carts to transport large items. Denmark, the Netherlands, potentially China on a big scale.

This is how I picture you scaredy:
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/dutch-pm-forms-new-government-rides-his-bike-to-the-palace-to-tell-the-king-and-even-locks-it-up-355466

thanks but not really. i am more dressed like a hobo, flip flops, lots of reflective gear, bags on bike.

change clothes at work after quick rinse off.

Submitted by moneymaker on August 18, 2018 - 9:10pm.

35 rate changes in the last 9 years https://www.sdge.com/total-electric-rates
My 2015 VW Passat TDI that gets 40 mpg freeway is virtually the same price to run as the Tesla model 3 that averages about 3 mi. per KWh.

Submitted by outtamojo on August 19, 2018 - 12:55am.

Ah but the instant torque and the feeling of being quicker than just about anything out there....

Submitted by moneymaker on August 19, 2018 - 7:32am.

True.... And after posting above I checked the wiki and evidently the model 3 gets about 4 mi. to the KWh, but probably not the way outtamojo drives, and only the single rear drive at that.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 19, 2018 - 9:28am.

outtamojo wrote:
Ah but the instant torque and the feeling of being quicker than just about anything out there....

I love it. It used to be people said electric didn't have performance.
Now them anti-electric folks complain that electric has no character. No wroom wroom.

Submitted by outtamojo on August 19, 2018 - 11:17am.

moneymaker wrote:
True.... And after posting above I checked the wiki and evidently the model 3 gets about 4 mi. to the KWh, but probably not the way outtamojo drives, and only the single rear drive at that.

LOL I drive like the old fogey that I am. It's the lane changes that I love- I swear as soon as I hit my left blinker the next lane drivers speed up. With a Tesla accelerating into the next lane is effortless.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 20, 2018 - 5:03pm.

outtamojo wrote:
moneymaker wrote:
True.... And after posting above I checked the wiki and evidently the model 3 gets about 4 mi. to the KWh, but probably not the way outtamojo drives, and only the single rear drive at that.

LOL I drive like the old fogey that I am. It's the lane changes that I love- I swear as soon as I hit my left blinker the next lane drivers speed up. With a Tesla accelerating into the next lane is effortless.

Not just the Tesla. But any electric car is fast.

Submitted by barnaby33 on August 20, 2018 - 7:10pm.

NIMBY's know what a fat tail is, something SPDRun seems not to.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 21, 2018 - 7:56am.

i pedal softly and go 20 mph!!!

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 7, 2018 - 11:57pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
i pedal softly and go 20 mph!!!

The French and Danes bike. That's pretty cool.
https://youtu.be/gph9nz79_Vc

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 8, 2018 - 12:12am.

I just got my HOA to allow me to install a 240V outlet on the exterior wall of the condo so my tenant can charge. Luckily the assigned parking stop in this garden style complex is just outside. I see this as future proofing my property.

I have another condo where I put a 240V outlet in the patio/balcony area.

But I can see how electric cars in condos will be a problem. Somebody will have to build the charging infrastructure and they will need to make a profit thus making electric less attractive. So people with private garages may have an advantage in acquiring electric cars, so that could encourage sprawl.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 8, 2018 - 3:01pm.

VW and Ford plan to cooperate. Good match since Ford is getting out of small cars.
In a few years, we should have lots of eclectic choices.

VW plans to sell electric Tesla rival for less than $23,000: source - Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volks...

Submitted by outtamojo on November 8, 2018 - 3:32pm.

The problem with "tesla rivals" is they are all in the planning stage. We want alternatives NOW.

Submitted by ocrenter on November 9, 2018 - 7:35am.

outtamojo wrote:
The problem with "tesla rivals" is they are all in the planning stage. We want alternatives NOW.

Patience, model year 2020 will see large expansion of EV choices. That’s exactly a year away. Plus with Tesla giving the luxury car makers a severe beating, they are going to finally be more serious about EVs.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 9, 2018 - 1:01pm.

Yes, with economies of scale, things will change fast.
It’s actually cheaper, labor wise, to build electrics. All else being equal, there will be job losses in the auto industry because it takes less time and fewer parts to build electric cars.

The cities will become quiet, and wonderful places to live without the petrol pollution.

Submitted by Escoguy on November 12, 2018 - 9:57pm.

With the new rate of 9 cents per kWh, my wife's Model 3 costs about 26% of the cost of gas or $20 a month to drive 900 miles.

So the annual savings of the Model 3 are about $720 vs a 40 mpg gasoline car.

assume $3.5/gallon gas with 40 mpg or 9 cents/mile
assume 9.3 cents/ kWh with .250 kWh/mile or 2.3 cents per mile

860 miles/month

If the car lasts 15 years, fuel savings would be about 25% of the cost of the vehicle. We're on our fourth EV (Model S/Model 3) My wife's old Leaf was "totaled" in an accident. My daughter drives my Handa PHEV.

We installed solar but it really isn't necessary with the EVTOU-5 rate.
yes there is a $16/month surcharge but with our over production and climate credit and $500 per vehicle EV rebate, we don't pay for gasoline, natural gas or electric.

Total investment to do this for solar would be about $22K.
Depending on energy consumption patterns, payback is about 5 years.

EVs are more fun to drive too.

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