Does powayseller post too much?

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Submitted by sdduuuude on October 2, 2006 - 12:24am

I count at least 10 new posts from powayseller today. I used to come to this forum to read Rich's analyses, which were short, sweet, brilliant, insightful, and convincing.

Now I see 10 of the active forum topics were started by 1 person in one day who really does nothing but ask questions, repeat what Rich has already taught me, and spin articles to match her forgone conclusions.

I don't know about anyone else, but I would rather see 1 post per day (even 1 per week) that are useful and interesting than 10 a day, one of which is marginally interesting. I know for sure I would like to see others start some posts.

It is somewhat rude, I think, for someone to just post and post and post and post and post like that.

The insight-to-blah-blah-blah ratio is not there for me any more. I'm not claiming my last post here - just wondering if anyone else is feeling that 10 or 15 posts in a day devalues this "powaselleriggington" forum.

Submitted by SDSoldOct05 on October 2, 2006 - 1:04am.

I Agree, I visit for the same reasons. PS please exercise some self disciple and keep it to a reasonable number of posts per day. If you really can not exercise this self control, suggest you create you own blog vice hijacking piggington.

Submitted by BikeRider on October 2, 2006 - 5:34am.

I think people should be free to do what they want, within reason of course. If you don't want to read someone's posts, the name is listed at the top of it, just skip the darn thing.

Submitted by powayseller on October 2, 2006 - 6:28am.

At the meetup, my husband asked Rich how much time he spends on this site. He happily replied that he didn't need to post too much anymore, since I write so much of the content. That's when I first realized how much I've been helping out Rich, and I'm happy to do so. When the forums get new posts, people keep coming to the site.

My posts are very good, and I know it. I bring out questions, information, and analysis that isn't available elsewhere. You are free to disagree, so if you don't like my posts, why read them? I agree with you - I love Rich's posts, and wish that Rich and others would write more.

Your idea is so great, I suggest you get the ball rolling!
Start some posts yourself on housing and the economy. Tell us what you think about gold, the stock market, Open Houses. What insights have you gleaned about the stalled market, how to sell a house, builder adjustments to the slowdown? Can you give us your analysis of Christopher Cagan's report, or give us a link to some economist interviews on the housing market? If you just complain about me, without offering anything productive, you sound like sour grapes. Starting a thread about housing, rather than about me, would certainly be more productive and interesting. So get the ball rolling, and maybe others will follow your exemplary lead!

Submitted by lewman on October 2, 2006 - 6:43am.

powayseller I enjoy your posts and appreciate the information you shared; but when you start new threads as often as you do you push others off the active list; I believe you mentioned previously you intended to start a new blog; since you have so much to share, perhaps the best way to do it is to have your own forum. I for one will add your blog to my favorites.

Submitted by Chrispy on October 2, 2006 - 6:52am.

I agree with Lewman. I have stopped visiting Piggington as often as I used to because the majority of the content seemed to be coming from one source. I feel I know Powayseller's views on the housing market thoroughly and would like to see more topics from others. However, others who do post get knocked to the bottom or in the archives because she posts so often.

I do like her topics but perhaps a break is in order to freshen up the site?

Submitted by privatebanker on October 2, 2006 - 7:04am.

Yes, I'd have to say PS posts a lot of naive comments/articles. The general reason for this forum is for anyone to freely post and comment, etc. But there needs to be a limit. PS, nothing personal, just use a filter on some of your posts/comments. Another thought would be for you to start your own blog?

Submitted by jg on October 2, 2006 - 7:55am.

PS digs up stuff that I don't come across in my web 'travels,' some of which I found useful, some of which I find really useful (e.g., pointing out the RGE website). I appreciate her efforts, and ignore her posts that I don't find of interest, just as I do in my daily read of the Union-Buffoon.

Submitted by JES on October 2, 2006 - 7:57am.

Powayseller has initiated 11 out of the 15 current forum topics that are listed right now. Perhaps Rich could dedicate a topic area to you called "poway seller's corner". That way you can post all you want, others can visit, and if you feel compelled you can also post to other topics.

Submitted by zk on October 2, 2006 - 8:12am.

While I agree that a person should be able to post as much as they want, I think that a monopolization of the forums by one person saying pretty much the same thing over and over does detract from the diversity of ideas that make this forum so interesting and valuable.

I have an idea.

Maybe Rich can add another section to the "user forums" section. A "powayseller" section.

That way, she, and whichever readers agree with her opinion that her posts are "very good" and that she's "helping Rich" can go to that section and read her stuff. And the rest of the posters don't get pushed to the bottom when she posts 10 posts in a row.

It'll be kinda like her own little blog, it'll take only a little tiny bit of work on Rich's part, and those who don't want to read her stuff can skip it.

Maybe he doesn't have to call it the "powayseller" section. Perhaps new visitors would think he is somehow endorsing her views is she has her own section. Maybe he can call it the "post your research here" section, or something equally vague, and we'll all just know it's ps's own little domain.

Submitted by bubba99 on October 2, 2006 - 8:06am.

Blogs are like books. You can read or not read whatever part you prefer. If one poster is not to your liking, dont read his or her writings. There does not seem to be a limit to the number of active posts that the site can maintain.

Submitted by konakai on October 2, 2006 - 8:12am.

Could not agree more with the idea to give PS her own corner. She is quite egocentric (eg: "While I was working out at the gym, a comment was made I do correct push ups.") What does this have to do with the housing bubble?

I suppose PS will say I'm being "Sour Grapes" for repeating that ego comment.

Unfortunatly this forum has lost much value due to PS having too much time on her hands and turning Rich's site into her own personal blog.

Fire away PS.

Submitted by h82rent on October 2, 2006 - 8:13am.

Powayseller, if you decide to post elsewhere let us know. I filter what I do/don't want to read from you and everyone else. I still want to have that opportunity in the future, as I miss some of the postings from people who left this forum.

Submitted by rseiser on October 2, 2006 - 8:19am.

You guys are really hard on her. I appreciate some of the information posted which I might have skipped otherwise. That said, I also felt that some of the posts wouldn't need to be own posts and could be fitted into previous threads. E.g. there is no need to make a post "What do you think of this or that gold investment" since we already had threads about gold.
Further, some articles from the press are quite long, and maybe a link to them might be enough. Yes, the link might dissapear one day, but it's probably irrelevant by then anyways. If it's just a link, it would also easier fit onto the bottom of other threads, and one could skip over it. To quote the punchlines from certain articles would be great though.
There could be a thread called "NAR news releases" or similar for this kind of messages, if they are similar in content, i.e. that NAR provides a bullish outlook. (what's new, haha)

Submitted by Chrispy on October 2, 2006 - 8:26am.

It's true that we can all filter past PS's posts, but it does to time to scroll scroll scroll to get to the "new" stuff. I also think we have lost some valued members due to some of PS's commentary. It's not PS's blog but Rich's blog but he seems to be the silent partner in all this.

Submitted by sdduuuude on October 2, 2006 - 9:43am.

"so if you don't like my posts, why read them?"

Actually, after realizing that nearly all of the posts in the active forum topics were your yours, I stopped reading them and started this post.

I have three actions I'll take:

1) I engourage everyone who thinks she posts too much to stop replying to her posts. When children scream really loud for attention, I ignore them and after a while, they learn to stop.

2) Also, place a few posts in old threads that you like - it will push hers off the ative topic list.

3) A separate powayseller section would be nice, as long as those posts don't show up in the active forum topics section and push the others to the bottom.

I think she posted all those posts to get rid of the embarassing posts she made earlier. I'll be sure to bring those back up.

Submitted by PerryChase on October 2, 2006 - 10:09am.

I enjoy powayseller's posts. If you don't like them, don't read them.

Submitted by speedingpullet on October 2, 2006 - 10:11am.

I read and enjoy her intital posts, but find the ensuing posts by others, on semantics and her personal qualities, very dull.

Submitted by powayseller on October 2, 2006 - 10:38am.

Thanks for all the comments so far. I am sorry if I was inconsiderate to other threads, by making them go further down the list. I never had the malice that is attributed to me. I posted not to make someone else's post go down the list, but to provide new information that I came across.

This is a great opportunity for sduuude to begin some threads. I can take this time to put the finishing touches on my own website, and you guys can redirect the forums. I am anxious to read the threads that you all start, and look forward to learning more what everyone else thinks.

Submitted by IONEGARM on October 2, 2006 - 10:56am.

Short answer, Yes.

Long answer: I come to the board itself rarely, but when I do all I have seen is powaysellers posts. One person dominating a conversation (poorly) isn't a conversation it is someone wanting to hear them speak. The posts I have read of powayseller all seemed more reporting than insightful thinking. I would argue that she should concentrate on quality rather than quantity.

Try limiting yourself to one or two posts a day, and really work on those posts and you might surprise yourself with the insight you come up with.

Submitted by Colombo on October 2, 2006 - 11:45am.

Short Answer: No. Poway does NOT post too much.

Long Answer: Who does post too much: Whiny cranky sduuuuuuuuuuuuuude and his minions bitching and moaning about Poway. Jesus Christ, get a frickin' life. If you don't like reading her posts, skip them and move on.

I for one am getting tired of seeing all the moaning about Poway and her opinions. It's not as if you complainers are adding any compelling material to this blog. Agree with her or not, her posts are at least interesting.

Submitted by lawguy on October 2, 2006 - 12:01pm.

This thread intrigues me. Can one person take over someone else's blog and change its course, and what has been the contribution of the complainers? It's easy enough to count and my inquisitive nature got the better of me.

In the past 2 weeks there are 111 new threads: 39 from powayseller, 1 from sduuuude, 1 from Chrispy, 2 from IONEGARM. Not a single thread was started by the other complainers: zk, konokai, JES,privatebanker, SDSOLDOct05.

They write nothing, she writes a lot. Two extremes. Maybe we should start a thread saying that if you just read this blog and don't contribute, you're being a leach, LOL! That's me for sure. I just don't have the interest or time to dig up stuff and post on a blog so I like all the posts on piggington and other places. The more, the better for me.

I'm game to see how this forum would change without her posts, so take a break powayseller and start your own website. As for sduuude, man, give her a fu*king break and get over your hard-on for her. Show us if you're really man enough to make a post, besides the ones where you pick on powayseller. You're giving us guys a bad rap, dude!

Cheers, lawguy

Submitted by Daniel on October 2, 2006 - 12:21pm.

I don't see a problem with PS posting often (even though I've been known to disagree with her on some issues). What is a bit of a problem is the format of this blog, where new threads keep pushing old ones off the list.

My suggestion: make the "Active forum topics" list a bit longer. For example, everything that had a single post in the last day (that would be brand new threads) AND ALSO everything that had at least 10 posts in the past 3 days (that would be active topics that may otherwise fall off the radar).

I almost never go back to the threads that fall off (OK, I'm lazy). For all I know, questions may have been directed to me on those threads, and I never replied.

Submitted by ex lurker on October 2, 2006 - 12:29pm.

As someone who has been reading this blog since April of 2006, my vote as a reader would be for Powayseller to create her own blog.

The usefullness of this blog is first of all Rich's articles. In addition, I used to like the user forums for the purpose of seeing what other people in the southern california real estate community were thinking about what's happening, their reactions and thoughts.

The user forum is no longer useful for this purpose because the user forums have become basically a Powayseller blog that has hitched it's wagon to Rich's content.

I disagree with those who suggest that the most appropriate solution is to just wade past Powayseller's posts or to start more of our own threads.

One reason is a question of quality versus quantity. It wouldn't help with the quality or diversity of opinions to just have others posting as frequently, we would just have to wade through more posts that don't bring new opinions on new topics. The likely result would not truly be diversity of topic or opinion, just more quantity.

Another reason is that it just makes more sense, if Powayseller has so much to say, she should have a blog that people who want to hear it can go to, rather than filling up a community dialogue with her opinions.

I think that the best solution for everyone would be for Powayseller to have her own blog. That way those who want to read her content can, and those of us who would like to see a more balanced participation of those in the community would have active forum topics that have a tone of balance and diversity of opinion.

Submitted by PerryChase on October 2, 2006 - 1:04pm.

I'm afraid that these discussion forums will die if it weren't for powayseller's posts.

The Professor updates his contents only once in a while and I beleive that his new job as a financial consultant prevents him from posting in user forums.

In my view, Piggington is all about the bubble. It's not a site for circumspect "balanced" analysis of the real estate market. For that we can all read Business Week.

I love how powayseller pokes fun at the perma-bulls.

powayseller, i'm a fan of yours. Let us know were you go and I'll follow.

jg, I'm surprised you don't like the "Union Buffoon." Isn't it a conservative newspaper? Do you watch Fox News?

Submitted by BikeRider on October 2, 2006 - 1:04pm.

This is a crazy thread. This blog is in America, right? Or did it get redirected to China or something? You want to cast out an individual because they are enjoying something? Powayseller hasn't driven her SUV through a group of people. I didn't see her beat any baby seals over the head. She tends to post alot. She appears to be very dedicated to her cause. If EVERYONE had something to say and said it, then Powayseller wouldn't really be standing out at all. I like reading all the posts. I admit sometimes I skip past some of Powayseller's more long winded entries, but it never crosses my mind that she needs to be tared and feathered over her writings. Lighten up.

Submitted by renterclint on October 2, 2006 - 1:09pm.

No, Powayseller should post as many times as she wants provided she has something interesting/meaningful to say.

To be honest, some of PS's comments really get on my nerves. Especially, when she arrogantly assumes that her fairly far-fetched assumption that homes will lose 50% of their value is the gospel (although I hope that she's right - minus the doomsday element of course). Several times in her threads, she criticizes new buyers for their "ignorance". We all have our theories about housing, yet most of us realize that our predictions are not a sure thing. Poway does not seem to get that. It also annoys me when she talks about how she's tired of "teaching" everyone about these issues, like she some kind of ultimate expert.

Even with these annoyances, I still find her posts mostly interesting, and I appreciate the time that she puts into sharing new info she comes across.

I've been coming to this site for almost a year now, and I think I've posted maybe 3 responses. It's not like I've contributed enough to really criticize anyone... but I guess I just did.

Even though you annoy me, keep up the good work, Powayseller!! :)

Submitted by PerryChase on October 2, 2006 - 1:14pm.

part of powayseller's charm is her strong character. I would rather have her frank hard-hitting posts than the comments of some boring economist.

Submitted by sdcellar on October 2, 2006 - 1:19pm.

I like to think that Piggington is all about reality. I am most interested in quality posts related to the present and future state of the real estate market.

The bubble is reality. It's just a question of what's going to happen next and staying a step or two ahead of it.

I like Rich's tag line about everyone else bringing data. I don't think he's asking us to be bearish for the sake of being bearish.

I'm making no comments about powayseller here, rather that balanced is good if that's the "truth". If perma-bearing is what I was looking for, I'd hang out at Housing Panic (no thank you very much).

Submitted by BikeRider on October 2, 2006 - 1:23pm.

"No, Powayseller should post as many times as she wants provided she has something interesting/meaningful to say."

I think the rub is that some people feel they know exactly when something is "interesting/meaningful" to THEM, and the THEM part is the problem. I guess they feel they are entitled to what THEY want to read. Entitlement??? in the blog??? what the?????

Submitted by whitesoftheireyes on October 2, 2006 - 1:29pm.

Short answer = YES!!!

Less short answer =
Long time reader, first time poster here. I check Piggington about once every couple of weeks these days simply because I’m weary of a few contributors (i.e. Powayseller) typing out every thought that passes b/w their ears. Sure, the occasional post adds incremental value to the body of knowledge, but >90% of the time it's just drivel. I’m actually impressed that someone said something to her.

Powayseller - PLEASE start your own blog so that you may dispense your nuggets of wisdom solely to those whom are actually impressed with your analytical abilities. Either that, or just formally take over Pigginton so that those of us, who are under whelmed by your critical thinking, can have closure and move on. In short, Powayseller, you’re a blog-jacker and, in my opinion, have detracted from the overall usefulness of this website.

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