Dishwasher recommendations? Black Friday coming up!

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Submitted by bibsoconner on November 20, 2019 - 1:53pm

Hello all,

I considered hijacking this Black Friday post (https://www.piggington.com/black_friday_...) as my question is somewhat related but decided it warrants its own post.

I'm looking for recommendations for dishwasher, particularly basic, cheap ones.

I've been having trouble with my supposedly top of the line Bosch dishwasher. Model is SHX68T55UC and it's only about 3 1/2 years old. Cost was about $800 at Lowes I think. Rather than fix it, I'm seriously considering junking it. I realize some of you have not just your home dishwasher, but rental unit ones too, and therefore have more experience than me! This time, I'm leaning towards ignoring the boss (wife) and going super cheap and buying at Costco (I think I get 2 extra years of warranty). My reasoning is that if it's going to break in 4 years, I'll be 50% less upset if it costs $400 rather than $800.

The cost to have someone look at the Bosch (Bosch certified folks) is about $139 PLUS $50 every fifteen minutes. That last part of the sentence is not a typo! $50/15 minutes, or $200/hr. I'm somewhat handy myself but this problem has me stumped. I've taken the door off and the lower panel and observed the bottom part of the unit getting water in it. The flood sensor (E-15) came on, and sure enough there is water in the lower electronics basin, but for the life of me, I can't figure out where it's coming from. I'm somewhat tempted to pay the money just because I'm curious what the problem actually is! More details of my Bosch unit woes are at:

https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/...

I posted there for advice.

I'll close with a warning for those who don't know.... Don't use liquid soap if you run out of dishwasher tablets. I followed a recipe from Dr. Google, consisting of a few drops of liquid soap and some baking soda. Did that for 4 nights. My problems might be coincidental, but it sufficiently scared me not to use liquid soap again!

Thanks,
Dave

P.S. On the plus side of this fiasco, I've been having the kids wash dishes by hand, so at least I'm getting some work out of them!

Submitted by flu on November 20, 2019 - 2:39pm.

I bought a whirpool from home Depot for about $290. For personal use, I would spend an extra $70 to get the same one with a stainless steel bin.

For rental, the plastic tub is fine since they usually need to replaced more frequently

made in USA too.

sorry I was wrong. It was $276 in October. And it was free delivery and haul away of old one. I did a self install, so no installation charges. dishwashers are pretty easy to install.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Whirlpool-Fr...

the ones with a steel bin inside are usually $100 more. if this was my own owner occupied home I would probably get this Maytag.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Maytag-Front...

Maytag is owned by Whirpool and both Maytag and Whirpool are pretty reliable and not that expensive.

I'd stay away from GE (which is basically Haier now). I'd also stay away from Samsung and LG. when they break down (not a question of if), they will be expensive to repair

You might also want to consider spending $95 to get an extended 5 year warranty especially if it's a rental.

oh, and if you don't already have one, I would run a solid copper water supply lines not one of those plastic or even steel braided supply lines. A copper line will probably last 20+years without worrying about it bursting.

Submitted by bibsoconner on November 20, 2019 - 3:13pm.

Thanks Flu,

FYI, the same model Whirlpool is available at Costco for $1.99 more. I mention this because somebody (you?) mentioned the warranty is extended at Costco if you pay with Costco credit card.

Currently 329.99 at Costco
328.00 at Home Depot.

Thanks!

Submitted by The-Shoveler on November 20, 2019 - 3:31pm.

Sometimes if not in a real hurry you can find a close out or dent return.

I got a Samsung stainless for less than $250.00

Can hardly see the dent after I took the plunger (with a little oil to add suction) to it.

Submitted by flu on November 20, 2019 - 9:11pm.

bibsoconner wrote:
Thanks Flu,

FYI, the same model Whirlpool is available at Costco for $1.99 more. I mention this because somebody (you?) mentioned the warranty is extended at Costco if you pay with Costco credit card.

Currently 329.99 at Costco
328.00 at Home Depot.

Thanks!

The one I got is plastic inside. I would get the slightly more expensive version with stainless steel inside for personal use

double-check Costco's warranty and credit card warranty. Remember that the extended was when it was American Express. I don't know if that has changed now it's Citibank.

Also the Costco 2+2 warranty is for electronics. I am not sure if it covers appliances. It might not .

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 20, 2019 - 7:26pm.

As much as I hate it, I drive up the 15 frequently. I discovered the Best Buy outlet in Moreno Valley, only open Friday, Saturday, Sunday. They have the best prices, but not worth the trip for 1 appliance.

I like Samsung dishwashers. They pops open automatically when done to air dry. Energy saver! Why didn’t anyone think of that earlier?

Who said Samsung and LG are expensive to own and repair? I have Samsung and LG from 2006/2007. They still run fine. It’s time to replace them anyway.

To avoid water spots, use powder detergent with Lemi Shine. Some tablets are good, but expensive.

Submitted by flu on November 21, 2019 - 5:30am.

The reason why I recommend a middle tier Whirpool is very simple.

Whirpool sticks with much simpler designs that have been tried and proven over decades. They are the largest contractor brand and parts for the volume of appliances are easy to find from not only Whirpool but a bunch of third party. And every appliance repair person knows how to repair a whirpool. Think of it as a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla. Simple, reliable, easily serviced, does not drastically change year after year, lots of people can service it. For every home my parents and I lived in, they were all Whirpool and lasted 15-20 years. I replaced my dishwasher in old primary home in San Diego exactly once when I first moved in while it lasted 15 years and never had a service call. I only recently replaced it because I accidentally left it closed with moisture in it for months, and then when I opened it, there was mildew all over the plastic tub, but it was still working, and could have probably lasted a few more years. But $276 was cheap for a brand new one that looked like stainless steel on the outside for now a rental. And while I am not a full on bleeding heart environmentalist...having a dishwasher last 15-20 years is certainly better for the environment than replacing one every 5-7 years. So pay slightly more for the Whirpool/Maytag with the steel tub liner inside if you want to keep it for a long time. The steel tub liner will also cut down on the sound. For rental, go with the cheapest thing since its going to get trashed anyway. It's just a stupid dishwasher, you don't need most of the rinse cycles, and the more simple and less "gimicky" the design is, the more reliable it will be, just like Honda Civics/Toyota Corollas

It's like the Whirpool Series 60 washers and dryers that have a reputation of being reliable, cheap to fix,and clean really well ... often times better than most of the new front loading washers that also break down more easily. again, it's also a stupid washer and dryer. Who cares how fancy it looks

GE was never really that great, and recently GE was bought by Chinese firm Haier.

Bosch was never known for reliability, just like German cars.

LG & Samsung are slightly more reliable than Bosch, but when they do go out parts supply might be lacking, and they generally cost a lot more to repair, because when they go out, it's most likely the complicated electronics they put into them, that are not field servicable and must require an entire logic board/etc to be replaced.

Kenmore, I wouldn't buy unless you know which manufacturer they are contracting with. A long time ago, Kenmore appliances were basically rebadged Whirpools, and that was one of the major reasons with Kenmore brands were very popular. Then they went to the less reliable GE. Then they went to LG and Samsung.

Oh, and check out Lowe's too. They are pretty good too. I bought appliances there too.

https://www.lowes.com/c/Dishwashers-Appl...

Most people have better ways to spend money than on stupid appliances that are there only for utility, and most of them all look the same these days in stainless steel facades, and it's probably never going to come up in those conversations "I'm better than you because my dishwasher is a Bosch or LG or Samsung etc"... Nobody cares. It's a stupid dishwasher.

Submitted by temeculaguy on November 21, 2019 - 12:31am.

I hate my Bosch dishwasher. I hate my Samsung fridge. Love my Kenmore micro and W/D. I realize Kenmore is just other brands rebranded but all the appliances that have given more than 10 years of reliable service came from Sears and I've been able to repair them myself using youtube. Now that Sears is fading into oblivion, not sure what to do when replacements are needed. I also love all my craftsman tools, I'm going to miss Sears, they should have stuck with just tools, sheds, patio furniture and appliances. I guess in 30 years, people will lament Amazon going out of business. My Kenmore HE3t W/D is 16 years old and works like a champ. i got it used 11 years ago, rebuilt it twice for under $100 and it only took n hour or so to replace the parts. I've had the Bosch dishwasher for 2 years and it wasn't cheap and it has always sucked, but it is quiet and pretty.

Flu's car analogy is spot on, get the Honda accord of dishwashers.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 21, 2019 - 5:08am.

Just saying, before we had the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry, there was the Ford Taurus and the olds cutlass.

For dishwasher, the drying cycles uses almost 1/2 the energy. Don’t use that feature and open the machine to air dry as soon as the rinse is finished, while the dishes are still hot. Or let the machine pop itself automatically for you.

Top load washers are detergent, water and energy hogs. Detergent, water and energy will cost you more within a couple years. You want a front load washer that spins fast to get the dirt and water out thus shortening the drying time.

Submitted by flu on November 21, 2019 - 7:28am.

Brian,

Ok, Boomer....

Submitted by The-Shoveler on November 21, 2019 - 7:49am.

LOL!!!

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 21, 2019 - 8:26am.

flu wrote:

Ok, Boomer....

I am of the generation after the boomers. Dad was born before the war and mom was born after.

Since your brought it up, I love this meme used to dismiss inflexible folks who minimize global warming and who are extremely brand loyal. People who buy big food brands, and brands they knew from childhood.

The 21st century is all about change, adapting to change, and innovating in the way we live and consume.

Submitted by spdrun on November 21, 2019 - 9:09am.

FlyerInHI, what's "drying time?" If you really want to be eco, hang the clothes on a line after washing them. CA has a law requiring HOAs to allow clothes lines outdoors.

Submitted by flu on November 21, 2019 - 10:03am.

Sure Brian,

If you think buying a washer/dryer/dishwasher that lasts 5-7 years and needs to be thrown out into the landfill (which usually gets shipped to places like Thailand and Vietnam since China stopped taking Western trash, out of sight and out of mind of most hypocritical "environmentalists" here in the US) and replaced by a new unit is more eco-friendly than a washer/dryer/dishwasher that lasts 15-20 years, and you're also one of the american wastefuls that does a ridiculous number of loads of laundry and uses a dishwasher regularly, despite being a single person with no significant other and family when it would make economically and eco-friendly more sense to run those appliances. Well, then, like I said.

Sure. Ok, Boomer.

I never used a dishwasher when I was single a long long time ago. And given you've been single a lot longer than me, there would be no need for you to use a dishwasher to even be commenting on a dishwasher. So either (a) you really are eco-friendly and don't use a dishwasher, which then means you aren't knowledgeable enough to talk about which dishwasher is better or (b) you really are an expert in which dishwasher is better because you took the time to shop for one... But then, that means you aren't eco-friendly given your expected carbon footprint for an individual.

In either case, it doesn't look good for you either way, because in either scenario, you clearly aren't walking your talk. But hey, it's ok. There's a lot of this on piggington these days. It's right up there with the 529k advice from folks that have no 529k or no kids.

So like I said,

Ok, Boomer.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 21, 2019 - 10:25am.

Dup

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 21, 2019 - 10:31am.

It costs a lot less in water and energy (heating) to use an efficient dishwasher than washing by hand, unless you don’t let the water run. Water is a finite resource, electricity less so.

There is also the time savings involved, and the benefit of a clutter free kitchen that you enjoy more, and the human benefit of using technology to improve the human condition.
In fact, I now have 2 dishwashers, and I move my daily stuff from one machine to another. Always a nice and neat kitchen without the tedious labor of putting dishes away.

Being eco did not mean doing without and living in a commune. Just like being progressive does not mean giving everything away and being poor. Do not make the fallacy of composition.

Submitted by ltsdd on November 21, 2019 - 10:41am.

When it comes home appliances, I stick with the traditional "American" brands - Kenmore, Whirlpool, Maytag, GE, Fridgidaire, etc...My purchase decision is pretty simple, buy the least expensive model with the style that I want and so far I have pretty good luck with them.

Maytag refrigerator: Still going after 12+ years
Kenmore Dryer: 17+ years (replaced the belt once)
GE Washing Machine: 12+ years (getting noisy during the spin cycle)

All those were bought for around $550-$600.

The Whirlpool dishwasher and stove/micrwave that came with the house are still going strong after almost 20 years.

Would like hear from others about the brands of your appliances and their lifespan.

Submitted by flu on November 21, 2019 - 5:48pm.

ltsdd wrote:
When it comes home appliances, I stick with the traditional "American" brands - Kenmore, Whirlpool, Maytag, GE, Fridgidaire, etc...My purchase decision is pretty simple, buy the least expensive model with the style that I want and so far I have pretty good luck with them.

Maytag refrigerator: Still going after 12+ years
Kenmore Dryer: 17+ years (replaced the belt once)
GE Washing Machine: 12+ years (getting noisy during the spin cycle)

All those were bought for around $550-$600.

The Whirlpool dishwasher and stove/micrwave that came with the house are still going strong after almost 20 years.

Would like hear from others about the brands of your appliances and their lifespan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:H...

Whirpool/Maytag is the only low/mid-tier company that is still Made in the USA.

Amana is owned by Whirpool, but they are heavily foreign sourced with cheaper parts.
KitchenAid is also owned by Whirpool, but I haven't heard many good or bad things about them, and they aren't cheap and aren't cheap to repair.

GE technically still makes appliances in the US, but they are now owned by Haier and more of their products have the cheaper parts.

Frigidaire is now owned by the same European company that owns Electrolux. Not that great anymore too.

Dacor is now owned by Samsung. I have ovens made by them in the current house, and I dread the repair costs when it breaks.

For garbage disposals, stick with ISE and get one with a larger motor, like a 3/4 hp. It costs a lot more, but they do last a lot longer, especially in a rental.. I had one replaced by by a home warranty, I forget what brand, and it was completely junk and broke after 1 year of use.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 22, 2019 - 8:37am.

Seems irrational and jingoistic to focus on “made in”.
Adam Smith said export what you make well, and import what others make better. Win-win. England used to export finished clothing. Not anymore because times change.

Just focus on price/quality and buy what you like.

Submitted by flu on November 22, 2019 - 9:37am.

Brian,

Ok, Boomer. If you say so.

Submitted by treehugger on December 9, 2019 - 3:06pm.

I currently have a Kenmore elite dishwasher, about 8 years old? We have hated it since we bought it....takes like 4 hours to run and if you try to run it on short wash or eco doesn't clean anything, have to prewash everything or doesn't work. In the last 2 years things have started to break on it and we have been jury rigging it cause it is a stupid appliance. Was almost ready to pull the trigger and have been looking at online reviews and price points. Lowes and best buy have the best consumer resources (reviews and descriptions) but when possible I buy from Costco during a sale, due to their white glove service and extended warranty if you use the Costco visa. Almost took the plunge last week and was going to get the Samsung from Costco, but decided to keep limping along and now sale over....

Submitted by bibsoconner on December 10, 2019 - 1:14pm.

UPDATE

So, I went ahead and shelled out $155 to have a Bosch certified repairman come out and look at it. My reasoning was that there is a life time warranty on the tub itself for "rust through", and my own amateur efforts indicated it might be leaking from the tub. Also, I'd spent enough time looking at it, that I wanted to see what the problem was and it was worth $155 to the engineer in me. I kid you not, he came and spent about 10 minutes looking at it and declared, "it's leaking from the tub" and on the bill wrote "tub leaking / welding problem".

I've called Bosch and they are dragging their feet replacing it saying, "we acknowledge the weld is bad but how do we know it is because of rust?". I pointed out that they could have spent more time looking at it and they are being nit picking. It's been about 2 weeks since the repair guy came and I'm about to buy another unit. I'll consider reporting them to BBB. There "lifetime warranty" does not cover the $155 nor does it cover installing a replacement. Given that it only last 3.5 years, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to take delivery of a replacement if it's going to cost close to $400. That's assuming they offer a replacement.

Needless to say, I don't advocate buying Bosch. I thought what you got with a higher end unit is something that lasts AND that comes with better service. Lesson learned :)

Dave

Submitted by flu on December 10, 2019 - 1:59pm.

I'm am not surprised at all by Bosch's response.

Submitted by ltsdd on December 10, 2019 - 8:34pm.

bibsoconner wrote:
UPDATE

So, I went ahead and shelled out $155 to have a Bosch certified repairman come out and look at it. My reasoning was that there is a life time warranty on the tub itself for "rust through", and my own amateur efforts indicated it might be leaking from the tub. Also, I'd spent enough time looking at it, that I wanted to see what the problem was and it was worth $155 to the engineer in me. I kid you not, he came and spent about 10 minutes looking at it and declared, "it's leaking from the tub" and on the bill wrote "tub leaking / welding problem".

I've called Bosch and they are dragging their feet replacing it saying, "we acknowledge the weld is bad but how do we know it is because of rust?". I pointed out that they could have spent more time looking at it and they are being nit picking. It's been about 2 weeks since the repair guy came and I'm about to buy another unit. I'll consider reporting them to BBB. There "lifetime warranty" does not cover the $155 nor does it cover installing a replacement. Given that it only last 3.5 years, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to take delivery of a replacement if it's going to cost close to $400. That's assuming they offer a replacement.

Needless to say, I don't advocate buying Bosch. I thought what you got with a higher end unit is something that lasts AND that comes with better service. Lesson learned :)

Dave

I say spend another $50 or so and file a breach-of-contract in small claims court. You'll be surprised how quickly they'll want to pay up.

Submitted by flu on December 10, 2019 - 9:53pm.

My friend did the following when his subzero fridge broke and neither subzero or Pacific sales helped him resolve it.

He took his SUV and parked it right in front Pacific Sales entrance, and put a very large sign on his windshield and rear windows that said something like "Ask me how I really feel about the warranty for my broken SubZero fridge I bought from Pacific Sales" with a phone number... Pacific Sales called SubZero,.and SubZero got back to my friend really really quickly.

More expensive appliances don't necessarily perform better or last longer than cheaper tried and true appliances. Buying a Bosch is like buying a BMW. They start out nice looking and perform nice. But eventually they will break down due to their complexity and unless you know how to fix them yourself, be prepared to pay an arm and leg for repairs.

Submitted by svelte on December 10, 2019 - 9:57pm.

Wow.

Maybe we've just been lucky, but we've had a Bosch dishwasher for over 12 years now and loved it. No problems and super quiet...can't even tell its running.

Model SHE55M05UC

Our 2007 Bosch double oven, on the other hand, is not to my liking. The clock has consistently lost time since new, and the touch-controls are confusing and not intuitive at all. On Thanksgiving, the bottom oven apparently was turned off by folks in the kitchen by accident - twice! - causing a hours-long delay in our finished turkey. We didn't eat until about 6 PM. It was an odd day.

Model HBL8650UC (and it wasn't cheap!)

Submitted by temeculaguy on December 11, 2019 - 12:50am.

FLU is right! I ran my serial number of my kenmore elite HE3T front loader that has 16 years of dedicated service and low and behold, it was built by whirlpool. I wish I could run my Bosch dishwasher and find out it was made by someone other than Bosch, but we can't have everything. As an owner of a BMW and a Bosch, the analogy is accurate in my experience. I'm not sure I will purchase either brand ever again.

Submitted by flu on December 11, 2019 - 4:02am.

Lol..Speaking of BMW. I am done with BMWs after mine stops running. Don't get me wrong. Mechanically, mine has been more or less trouble free for the past 8 years (wow that much time has passed). I intentionally try to get the most stripped BMWs as possible so that it has the fewest electronics possible, as there's less things to break.

But after 8 years and 60k miles, yes I know my mileage is low since I spread my usage across 5 cars, so while mechanically things are great, the plastic shit BMW profusely uses just crumbles and breaks all over the engine. I have had to replace numerous hoses, fittings that BMW decided to make our of cheap plastic that couldn't withstand the heat of the engine bay. And while the parts were cheaply made with plastic, they sure were not cheap to buy.Whenever I could, i substituted a metal or harden line component and since I did the work myself, not much in labor costs. But yes, BMWs are turds as they get old, and unless you have the means and willpower to fix all these stupid things that crumbles, stay away from BMW, or for that matter, anything else German. It's just ridiculous. There's this rubber gasket that sits between the oil cooler and starts leaking around 50k and a stealership, while there for a recall, wants $1200 to replace the $12 gasket, saying it's a 50k interval normal service item..I was like, are you freaking kidding me. I'll do it myself. Then there's the plastic firewall support that cracked and I had to plastic weld myself back together. There's a crack on a carbon fiber stabilizer bar
Replacing the battery was a big deal because unless you have the bmw scanner tool like I do, the stealer has recalibrate/reprogram the damn thing after a battery replacement because of the way the alternator works....stealerships wanted $800 for a stupid battery change. And now, there's an errant fuel gauge which pinpointed to a bad fuel sender unit...which is part of the high pressure fuel pump and fuel filter as one unit, and that's like $500. Really, only 60k life? just really stupid things . I haven't even gotten to the point when the turbo dies, a common problem, or if the high pressure fuel pump grenades or other common major issues.

i am done with BMW for a long long time. don't know when it dies, what I'll replace it with. Maybe a 2020 Toyota Supra..... I'm kidding that was a joke. I test drove the new Supra. Nice car. Too bad it is basically a BMW Z4. It drives like a BMW, sounds like a BMW , the cockpit even looks like a BMW. it has a new car smell like a BMW. If it quacks like a BMW, smells like a BMW, drives like a BMW ...It's a unreliable turd BMW..with an automatic..... I'll pass. Toyota, what the hell were you thinking?

And thank god I stopped shopping German... Back a few years ago, I almost went through with a 991 911s with part of my vested RSUs. Instead, sdr found a $130k short sales. Thank God I backed out of the 991 and bought the condo instead. I probably would be cursing about the 991 now too, as with any other German car.Coincidentally, I sold that condo last year for around $305k..Now I can get 2 911s....ha ha...uh no, thank you....

In contrast, for shits and giggles, I bought a $2000 piece of shit miata from a nice lady, spend roughly $8000 in suspension.and engine, mods, AND general consumables like tires and brakes over the course of 5-6 years of racing the fuck out of it. I went through 7 sets of tires and each set were around $400, whereas my friends in their BMWs replaced their tires around $1200-1400/set each time and generally went through more sets. Replaced brakes and rotors god knows how many times, at a fraction of what my peers did. My clutch went, easy to fix. The radiator cracked, dirt cheap and easy to fix, the motor crankshaft key cracked, easy to replace, and the damn car caught on fire when I ran into something and the fuel line bursted and I couldn't put out the fire quick enough because a corner worker handes me an extinguisher with a pull pin that was ziptied with a super thick zip tie that I couldnt break. Yeah, the ac fan melted, a few hoses and belts melted, the wires to the alternator melted, and the paint on the hood flaked off from all that heat undeeneath. But $200 later, it was running again, and with less weight!!! Removed the damn AC and stripped out all the AC components. And drove that car for another 2 years hard and it still runs now and passes smog, even with all my borderline mods. It's a 25 year old car with almost 200k miles, still on the original engine and transmission. And it was one the best damn decision ever. Years of fun, no worrying about hitting shit,easy and.and cheap to reapair, consumables are dirt cheap, and the write-off is digestible if I accidentally total it.

And the best part is. I don't care where I park it. If someone opens the door and dings it oh well. If someone opens their door and dings it when I'm in the car, and doesn't even say sorry after seeing me thinking it's a piece of shit car anyway, that ok too. Since it's a two door that swings very wide, I'll make sure after they leave, to open my door very very fast and wide when I get out.. so fast, that the door literally bangs and bounces off their almost brand new luxury car in Carmel Valley that they probably care more about than my piece of shit car...oops. did I do that?

Hello BMW, you listening? Bring back a simple e30 M3 inspired car please, and stop badging engineering and slapping that M badge on every car. What the fuck are M550i M340i??.. THEY ARE NOT M REAL CARS!!!! ....

No more german cars, dishwashers, appliances etc for me.

BMW = Big Money Waste

Submitted by FlyerInHi on December 11, 2019 - 9:14am.

Flu, does American car quality relate to American appliance quality?

Submitted by flu on December 11, 2019 - 10:08am.

Scotty pretty much sums it up.

I hate getting to the back cylinders...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cuUNZClgag

And Mini's are worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp0LdnreYmE

That's why they are so cheap used. I hated helping out my friend when his broke down.

Real world experience says it all.

Brian, quit pulling shit out of your ass. Its getting old and your credibility is hitting an all time low.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on December 11, 2019 - 10:32am.

Get an electric car and you won’t have car repairs.

A dishwasher is only $500, cheaper than a smart phone. If it breaks, replace it. Seems like a lot of overthinking for nothing. Since I started investing in rentals after the financial crisis, the only new appliance I bought then replaced was a whirlpool.

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