Dear California, I'm Dumping You

User Forum Topic
Submitted by Mark Holmes on August 18, 2009 - 5:16pm

Not my words, but I certainly have my days where I feel this way, and I'm a second generation Southern Californian (my father and I were even both born in Glendale Memorial Hospital) but yep, Cali is quickly losing its luster...

Quote:

Dear California,

I've been thinking about this for a very long time, and I've come to the conclusion that we should go our separate ways. I thought I loved you and it would last forever, but I was so very wrong.

For more:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-o...

Submitted by jpinpb on August 18, 2009 - 5:38pm.

Yes, we've all been there. Frustrated w/how the cities and State is being run into the ground, dirty beaches, potholed streets, sewer problems, housing affordability, etc.

But I still say Prop 13 wasn't/isn't the problem. Magicians in office is the problem. Since the inception of Prop 13, houses have been bought and sold plentiful and that means the tax is on the new value and increased accordingly.

I still say there's a low percent of people still living in a Prop 13 home. And if they do any home improvements w/permits, doesn't the value get reassessed? Not sure on that.

Anyway, since Prop 13, we have also the insurgences of back-door ways and roundabout ways around Prop 13, like Mello Roos has replaced it and Maintenance Assessment Districts. There's plenty of money going into the machine, but the magicians are performing a disappearing act w/it.

Submitted by SD Realtor on August 18, 2009 - 7:08pm.

I agree with you jp. We pay the second highest state income tax in the country. Anyone who thinks that the issue is lack of revenue has a severe misunderstanding of how to balance a checkbook. This is a spending problem and until our legislature figures out how to run the state on a budget then the state will indeed continue to suffer.

Raising taxes whether you repeal prop 13 or raise the income tax level yet again is not the answer.

Submitted by mike92104 on August 18, 2009 - 8:37pm.

I don't think the legislature will learn anything ever. They must ALL be replaced, made into a part time legislature,and given term limits.

Submitted by SK in CV on August 18, 2009 - 9:01pm.

SD Realtor wrote:
I agree with you jp. We pay the second highest state income tax in the country. Anyone who thinks that the issue is lack of revenue has a severe misunderstanding of how to balance a checkbook. This is a spending problem and until our legislature figures out how to run the state on a budget then the state will indeed continue to suffer.

Raising taxes whether you repeal prop 13 or raise the income tax level yet again is not the answer.

California is actually the 8th highest all inclusive tax per capita (including all taxes, income, sales, property), but it's also in the bottom 10 for federal tax expenditures for each dollar paid in federal tax.

Submitted by briansd1 on August 18, 2009 - 9:17pm.

SK in CV wrote:

California is actually the 8th highest all inclusive tax per capita (including all taxes, income, sales, property), but it's also in the bottom 10 for federal tax expenditures for each dollar paid in federal tax.

That's the Blue State/Red State dilemma. Blue states pay a lot more Federal taxes and get back less.

I say that Federal expenditures should be proportionate to population.

Submitted by briansd1 on August 18, 2009 - 9:17pm.

jpinpb wrote:

But I still say Prop 13 wasn't/isn't the problem. Magicians in office is the problem.

I also agree with jp.

The growth in spending is the problem. Government should never grow more than inflation + population growth.

Submitted by CA renter on August 18, 2009 - 9:35pm.

briansd1 wrote:
jpinpb wrote:

But I still say Prop 13 wasn't/isn't the problem. Magicians in office is the problem.

I also agree with jp.

The growth in spending is the problem. Government should never grow more than inflation + population growth.

I agree, too! :)

Okay, at least there's one thing we all can agree upon. ;)

Submitted by Nor-LA-SD-guy on August 19, 2009 - 6:22am.

All this talk about tax dollars has me thinking,

Any one here seen a shovel ready stimulus project actually get started anywhere in SoCal, I have seen Zero.

Seems we are getting the ... on that one too.

Submitted by afx114 on August 19, 2009 - 9:29am.

Nor-LA-SD-guy wrote:
Any one here seen a shovel ready stimulus project actually get started anywhere in SoCal, I have seen Zero.

Right outside my window they are digging up the streets to update the pipes. It's annoying as hell, but hey, it's our stimulus dollars at work!

Here is a list of stimulus contracts, grants and loans for San Diego County: http://projects.propublica.org/recovery/locale/california/san-diego

Submitted by Mark Holmes on August 19, 2009 - 10:04am.

I honestly don't know enough about how state govt is run to say whether Prop 13 is the problem or not, but California sure is a mess, and an extremely overpriced mess at that. Like a 75-year-old super model who still thinks she's 22, and still dresses, drinks and spends like the nubile nymph she still sees in the mirror. Well, girl, it's time to grow up and act like an adult...

Submitted by an on August 19, 2009 - 10:09am.

Mark Holmes wrote:
I honestly don't know enough about how state govt is run to say whether Prop 13 is the problem or not, but California sure is a mess, and an extremely overpriced mess at that. Like a 75-year-old super model who still thinks she's 22, and still dresses, drinks and spends like the nubile nymph she still sees in the mirror. Well, girl, it's time to grow up and act like an adult...

It's not helping that 75-year-old model any if you keep on giving her more money to do what she's been doing.

Submitted by Mark Holmes on August 19, 2009 - 6:52pm.

AN wrote:
Mark Holmes wrote:
I honestly don't know enough about how state govt is run to say whether Prop 13 is the problem or not, but California sure is a mess, and an extremely overpriced mess at that. Like a 75-year-old super model who still thinks she's 22, and still dresses, drinks and spends like the nubile nymph she still sees in the mirror. Well, girl, it's time to grow up and act like an adult...

It's not helping that 75-year-old model any if you keep on giving her more money to do what she's been doing.

Yep.

Submitted by Turtle69 on August 20, 2009 - 7:21am.

This is a typical article from the LA Times, which is one of the reasons I stopped reading it long ago. The problem isn't Prop 13, it;s run away spending. The California Legislature, and their friends in the press, continue to complain about the obstacles in the way of getting their hands on more of our money.

Proposition 13 and the 2/3 majority requirement for tax increases are commonly cited as the problem but these are just scapegoats. The real problem is their incompetence and inability to live within their means.

My opinion, before we make it easier to take our money, the government needs to show they have the ability to live within the constraints of the income. The answer is not more money, the answer is realizing that you will never have enough money to do all the things you want to do.

The Turtle

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.