OT:Cross Country Road Trip Anyone?

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Submitted by paramount on June 25, 2012 - 8:58pm

If you've even remotely considered a cross country road trip; you might want to get started on that trip while you still can.

Today, the supreme court codified increased tyranny in this country by affirming Arizona's "Show me your Papers" law.

Soon, I have little doubt you will have to "carry your papers" wherever you travel across the country just as the Jews did in Nazi Germany.

Oh, and if I were you I'd stay the hell out Arizona; especially if you have brown skin.

Submitted by svelte on June 25, 2012 - 9:57pm.

paramount wrote:

Today, the supreme court codified increased tyranny in this country by affirming Arizona's "Show me your Papers" law.

Well. Kinda sorta. They struck down the part that made it a crime for furrinurs not to carry registration papers or other government docs.

But they kept the part allowing police to check the immigration status of someone they stop.

Not sure how that's gonna work if those outta towners don't have to carry papers...

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/06/u...

Submitted by deadzone on June 25, 2012 - 10:26pm.

If you are here legally what's the problem? Carry your green card or visa/passport. If I visit any foreign country I'm required to carry ID too. The only people freaking out about this are the millions of illegals and their fammilies, that's the point.

But of course the real problem is the Federal gov not enforcing employment of illegals. E-Verify should be mandatory across the board. Do you have a problem with E-verify Paramount?

Submitted by paramount on June 25, 2012 - 11:04pm.

deadzone wrote:
If you are here legally what's the problem? Carry your green card or visa/passport. If I visit any foreign country I'm required to carry ID too. The only people freaking out about this are the millions of illegals and their fammilies, that's the point.

But of course the real problem is the Federal gov not enforcing employment of illegals. E-Verify should be mandatory across the board. Do you have a problem with E-verify Paramount?

Deadzone you are deadwrong.

Any conscientiousness person and patriot - particularly if you have brown skin - should be freaking out about this form of tyranny.

E-verify should be mandatory across the board and should not be left up to cities/counties to enact. But that's a whole different story for a different thread.

What I'm referring to is suspicion-less detainment and seizures that the activist supreme court eagerly affirmed in part to strengthen the police state agenda.

Ihre Papiere Bitte!!

Submitted by north park girl on June 25, 2012 - 11:33pm.

paramount wrote:

Oh, and if I were you I'd stay the hell out Arizona; especially if you have brown skin.

Just an anecdote, but I have a brown skinned (Indian) friend who drove down to southern AZ for a camping trip with some friends. He got pulled over 4 or 5 times (has a clean driving record, so it's not like he's a reckless driver). Halfway through, he switched driving with a white friend in the car, they didn't get pulled over once.

Submitted by UCGal on June 26, 2012 - 8:52am.

deadzone wrote:
If you are here legally what's the problem? Carry your green card or visa/passport. If I visit any foreign country I'm required to carry ID too. The only people freaking out about this are the millions of illegals and their fammilies, that's the point.

But of course the real problem is the Federal gov not enforcing employment of illegals. E-Verify should be mandatory across the board. Do you have a problem with E-verify Paramount?


Do you carry your passport with you everywhere you go? How about a certified copy of your birth certificate? This does not just apply to immigrants - it's anyone they suspect might be an immigrant.

I've been told I look Irish - maybe they'll think I'm someone who overstayed my visa. They can ask for immigration status of EVERYONE... Not just people who weren't born here.

But -from what I read - the supreme court did *not* endorse the papers please part of the law - they want to see how it's going to be applied before deciding on that portion.

I suspect the racial profiling, as done by Joe Arpaio, will prove to be unconstitutional. He's likely to overstep good judgement. I could see him asking Scalia for papers. After all - he's got dark skin... can't trust these Italians. (Note - I'm married to an Italian. LOL)

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 26, 2012 - 8:56am.

I'm driving to the Grand Canyon tomorrow and will be driving all over AZ the next week. I don't have brown skin but I tan easily. I'll let you all know what I run into.

Submitted by zzz on June 26, 2012 - 9:58am.

I think its what type of minority you are (say Chinese versus Indian vs Mexican), and what type of car you drive. If you're driving in a high end German car, you don't get hassled much...know this to be true from many people. You drive not such a nice car, and don't look obviously white, well, they will ask a few more questions.

I am a US citizen, but AZ is the ONLY border checkpoint where I was asked if I was American born US citizen. In CA, just asked if US citizen. Wonder if I would have been harassed if I had said no.

Submitted by desmond on June 26, 2012 - 10:22am.

sdr,

If your in Flagstaff looking for a place to eat, great sopapillas

http://lafondaflg.com/

If you have your kids with you stop by the Meteor Crater near Winslow

http://www.meteorcrater.com/

Sedona is beautiful, might be crowded.

And if you want to get pulled over just go over the speed limit and see if the color of your skin matters...........

Submitted by deadzone on June 26, 2012 - 10:43am.

You guys are way too paranoid on this racial profiling thing. There are some obvious signs that someone is suspicious that goes far beyond skin color.

For example, if a policeman pulls over a driver for speeding, then turns out the driver has no drivers license, or upon checking it is a fraudelent license and he does not speak english there is reason to be suspicious. There are many obvious examples. If the person is not a US citizen, then they are required to carry their Passport/Visa/Gren card at all times, that is the law.

A properly trained policeman by asking certain questions could also help determine if somebody is a foreginer or not. You are assuming the policeman are either intentially out to abuse "brown skin people" or simply have no common sense. That is paranoia on your part. You ever consider that maybe a large portion of the AZ police force has brown skin themselves??

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 26, 2012 - 11:25am.

Thanks for the tips Desmond. I'll be with my kids. I'll be passing through Flagstaff on Friday afternoon on my way to visit my hippie sister in the Pinetop/Show Low area so that could be a good lunch stop. Passing through Winslow on the way to her also so the Meteor Crater would be a good break stop. No time for Sedona this trip and speeding wont be a problem. I'm driving my big ole SUV with bikes strapped on the back instead of the Bimmer.

Submitted by briansd1 on June 26, 2012 - 12:24pm.

sdrealtor, if you have time, stop at Arcosanti to buy a bronze bell for your house in Nirvana.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/garden...

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 26, 2012 - 12:47pm.

I travel the both the I-8/I-10 and the I/10/I-17/I-40 route thru AriDzona annually.

This particular SC decision, for better or worse, will have no bearing on how the US Dept of Homeland Security decides to run their east-west "checkpoints" on I-8/I-10 in CA/AZ. They ask EVERYONE in the vehicle (who is old enough to speak) to state their citizenship. They also have the right of search and seizure (and even have makeshift "secondary" sections set up off-road). I've seen a LOT of people people pulled over by USBP/Customs for document examination on these roads in the last 10+ years, even Asian people driving expensive cars. I don't carry papers but have always been let go (one time after a cursory search of a trailer).

http://piggington.com/why_is_a_doper_sno...

The days of a passenger with bare feet hanging out the window (no A/C in cars) and loading the bed of one's pickup with kids and a giant thermos to head interstate to grandma's house are gone :=[

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 26, 2012 - 12:53pm.

desmond wrote:
sdr,

If your in Flagstaff looking for a place to eat, great sopapillas

http://lafondaflg.com/

If you have your kids with you stop by the Meteor Crater near Winslow

http://www.meteorcrater.com/...........

Desmond, I think we ate at LaFonda last summer. Is it next to the train tracks?

In any case, I think Flagstaff is very beautiful, even though it has grown A LOT in the last 12=20 years!

And I don't think I've ever seen the meteor crater. I relation to the fast-food truck stop with dinosaur statues, would it be north or northwest of that??

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 26, 2012 - 1:08pm.

No Arcosanti this time Brian. I'll be heading through Payson on my way to Scottsdale. Last time I took that drive (about 20 years ago) I almost ran over a mountain lion standing in the middle of the road at dusk. Another great travel memory from the past.

Submitted by UCGal on June 26, 2012 - 1:38pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
No Arcosanti this time Brian. I'll be heading through Payson on my way to Scottsdale. Last time I took that drive (about 20 years ago) I almost ran over a mountain lion standing in the middle of the road at dusk. Another great travel memory from the past.

What made you pick Scottsdale in June/July? Yikes!!!
http://weather.weatherbug.com/AZ/Scottsd...

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 26, 2012 - 2:31pm.

I love stinking hot weather. It brings back horrible memories of growing up in NJ amidst 99 degree weather with 95% humidity. I want my kids to experience that kind of suffering just like I did. We go to Palm Desert twice a Summer also. As long as you have a great pool its fine. We swim after breakfast, have lunch by the pool and then head in for a nap in the a/c. Back out for a couple hours, have a BBQ dinner, go out for ice creme and then back for a night swim. We all love it. The Westin in Scottsdale has waterslides and a lazy river. Throw in cold Sauvignon Blanc, for me, slushy drinks for the kids and its heaven meets hell onEarth for us.

Submitted by UCGal on June 26, 2012 - 2:34pm.

'heaven meets hell on Earth'... Great line! LOL

Submitted by mike92104 on June 26, 2012 - 9:27pm.

paramount wrote:
If you've even remotely considered a cross country road trip; you might want to get started on that trip while you still can.

Today, the supreme court codified increased tyranny in this country by affirming Arizona's "Show me your Papers" law.

Soon, I have little doubt you will have to "carry your papers" wherever you travel across the country just as the Jews did in Nazi Germany.

Oh, and if I were you I'd stay the hell out Arizona; especially if you have brown skin.

Tyranny? Asking someone whether they are here legally or not is tyranny? On which planet?

Submitted by briansd1 on June 26, 2012 - 9:46pm.

sdrealtor, I just came back from Philly. The weather yesterday was beautiful. Had dinner in university city and walked to Clark Park with friends.

Looked at all those old Victorian houses in the neighborhood and I felt sorry for those who don't have central air and heat. The fireflies were out and beautiful -- not a San Diego summer sight.

Submitted by CDMA ENG on June 26, 2012 - 9:54pm.

Give me a fvcking break (to use FLU’s spelling).

I remember being 9 years old and my grandfather being hassled in Lemon Grove so don't make out like AZ is the bad guy and no other state has similar practices. We are both from AZ. The biggest problem is that the Federal Government does not enforce the border to the level that they had promised. AZ in took it upon themselves to protect the border and of course in true AZ fashion were overzealous. You would understand where the zeal comes from if you lived there. There are real issues in the state related to the lack of border enforcement and it has nothing to do with racism or jobs.

Blame the Feds. If they had done what they were supposed to be doing and actually enforcing the laws they enacted then AZ would have never went down that path.

Also, I support the rights of states to enact their laws as long as they are constitutional. I am for gay marriage however I respected the ideal that if a state does not want to legalize it then that is their option. Of course I am completely against the idea of making it a enduring constitutional amendment but overall the idea of states making and enforcing their own laws are part of the federalist system.

Don’t like it... stay out of AZ. Vote with your dollar.

CE

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 26, 2012 - 10:29pm.

Brian
You got out just in time. July in Philly is notoriously the Dog Days of Summer. The weather changes quickly for the worse around July 4th. Stay away for the next 4 weeks as the heat/humidity breaks around Aug 1st each year as well.

The only people in Philly on weekends during July are those that don't have a place down the shore to go to.

Submitted by SD Realtor on June 27, 2012 - 6:14am.

Well said CDMA.

The feds still will enforce either. Did you see what DHS told Arizona yesterday?

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Why have a federal law when it is not enforced?

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Submitted by ninaprincess on June 27, 2012 - 6:59am.

I am Asian, foreign born and I support this Arizona law. I have a copy of my passport emailed to my personal email address just in case. I have never had any problem with cops pulling over because I am brown. I am sure there are some racist White people out there but I according to my experience I think minority people are way more racist. I was in a car with my Mexican coworker going out for lunch and he was clearly speeding in his BMW. When the cop pulled him over, he started complaining about racism.

Submitted by briansd1 on June 27, 2012 - 9:29am.

The SCOTUS has spoken. The AZ law was mostly struck down.

Submitted by UCGal on June 27, 2012 - 9:35am.

CDMA ENG wrote:

Blame the Feds. If they had done what they were supposed to be doing and actually enforcing the laws they enacted then AZ would have never went down that path.
CE

Little know fact - Obama doubled the number of deportations compared to Bush.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...

Submitted by SK in CV on June 27, 2012 - 9:38am.

deadzone wrote:
You are assuming the [AZ]policeman are either intentially out to abuse "brown skin people" or simply have no common sense.

There is overwhelming evidence that the former is true. In parts of the state it is all but agency policy.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 27, 2012 - 9:44am.

SK in CV wrote:
deadzone wrote:
You are assuming the [AZ]policeman are either intentially out to abuse "brown skin people" or simply have no common sense.

There is overwhelming evidence that the former is true. In parts of the state it is all but agency policy.

Somehow I can believe this but given the sheer amount of Native American Indians residing in the state, I just have a really hard time with it. I guess these cops think they can tell the difference and proceed accordingly :=0

Submitted by SD Realtor on June 27, 2012 - 10:06am.

Once again...

Why should we have a citizenship law that is not enforced?

Why even HAVE the law then?

This is not an Obama problem, it did not start with him. However the portion of the law that SCOTUS upheld was upheld because the feds argued that it PREVENTED them from enforcement of proper processing of illegal aliens... but they didn't enforce the law from the beginning. Even SCOTUS could not believe that argument from the feds and thus upheld that portion of the AZ argument.

It really is comical...

Submitted by deadzone on June 27, 2012 - 10:08am.

That is a bullshit assumption, show me some proof of that? AZ has a very large "brown" population, you are naive to belive that the police force does not include many "brown" people too.

Submitted by deadzone on June 27, 2012 - 10:10am.

SK in CV wrote:
deadzone wrote:
You are assuming the [AZ]policeman are either intentially out to abuse "brown skin people" or simply have no common sense.

There is overwhelming evidence that the former is true. In parts of the state it is all but agency policy.

That is a bullshit assumption, show me some proof of that? AZ has a very large "brown" population, you are naive to belive that the police force does not include many "brown" people too.

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