Corona Virus vs. The Bill of Rights

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Submitted by sdduuuude on March 30, 2020 - 1:32pm

The first of what will likely be many violations of the right to assemble.

I saw another article calling into question the governors right to issue Stay at Home orders.

Staying at home is the right thing to do, but is it legal to enforce it or should it be voluntary ?

Government acting to "keep people safe" is usually the foot in the door for tyranny.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flo...

Submitted by The-Shoveler on April 30, 2020 - 9:57am.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/coronavi...

“It is a hammer blow for millions more who can only eat if they earn a wage,” he added.
“Lockdowns and global economic recession have already decimated their nest eggs.
It only takes one more shock — like Covid-19 — to push them over the edge.”

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 30, 2020 - 11:43am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/coronavirus-biblical-famines-could-double-global-hunger-un-warns.html

“It is a hammer blow for millions more who can only eat if they earn a wage,” he added.
“Lockdowns and global economic recession have already decimated their nest eggs.
It only takes one more shock — like Covid-19 — to push them over the edge.”

We can share food.

Also...you can go a really long time not eating much.

Could we share ...nest eggs

Scrambled nest eggs.

Never mind.

Its...unthinkable.

yes, the bodies will inevitably stack up either way, higher and

higher still if we do not appease the gods of mammon

Read your bibles, people...man earns his bread by the sweat of his brow. No lollygagging, no sharing.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 30, 2020 - 12:27pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:

Money>life. I get it. Its just funny, with all the abortion hysterics on the right.

We will definitely be the winner for most dead at the end of it.

Americans will think, eh, it was the old and the weak, back home in heaven. But these fetuses. They had so much potential.

Youth culture gone mad. I love you little embryo. Too bad so sad, gramps.

How many life-years left for the decrepit overweight boomers? Not many, we think, dreaming of stock market highs. We are all death panelists now.

As we should be. Life is not sacred. Can we all at least agree on that?

We make that clear with foreigners lives, and the old, weak, the minority communities, anyone who has no insurance, is just a bag of water and chemicals.

the elderly suicide in MIDSOMMAR. If you've seen that movie. Scary. Great horror movie. Is what we are.

A culture of youth, sex, death, war, fear, force imprisonment and winner take all.

I often feel I hate pretty much the whole world.

More beautiful writing!

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 30, 2020 - 12:34pm.

spdrun wrote:
Governor Prettyboy ordered parks closed, too. Here's the question: California's medical system isn't overwhelmed, so what's the goal here? Complete eradication? Even Newsom admits that it's unlikely.

Beaches and parks being open shouldn't be about businesses. It should be about people being able to enjoy themselves as much as possible, even during a time of crisis. Also, outside of very packed outdoor settings like stadiums, outdoor transmission has been deemed unlikely. When was the last time that you've seen groups of people within 6' of each other on a beach? Groups usually have at least one person's height between them.

Sweden has the right idea -- accept some deaths as the price of not robbing everyone of their civil liberties, but have common-sense restrictions in place (high schools closed, no gatherings > 50 people, encourage WFH even if it's not explicitly mandated).

Why are quality of human life and psychological health being discounted, and only mere length of life is being considered?

Prettyboy is better than Uglyboy.

We are gonna end up like Sweden but we’re taking the long way to get there. And in the process we’ll be poorer.

As Americans, we can’t accept that we don’t have the resources (intelligence, management skills and logistics) to pull off a beautiful suppression operation like China or Korea.

Submitted by svelte on April 30, 2020 - 12:52pm.

May 1st.

I predict when we enter May, patience will start wearing thin.

The Guv and the Prez better give us measurable, objective criteria for how we move on to the next stages.

Defining the stages was a great first step.

Now we need details on how we know when it is time to transition to each step.

They only have a few more days before attitudes will start changing drastically.

Get with it, boys. Voters are watching.

Submitted by outtamojo on April 30, 2020 - 3:59pm.

svelte wrote:
May 1st.

I predict when we enter May, patience will start wearing thin.

The Guv and the Prez better give us measurable, objective criteria for how we move on to the next stages.

Defining the stages was a great first step.

Now we need details on how we know when it is time to transition to each step.

They only have a few more days before attitudes will start changing drastically.

Get with it, boys. Voters are watching.

Patience is way thin I agree. Our past never seemed so relevant to what has gone on in Oregon and now in Michigan. Such a contrast : (
https://www.history.com/news/black-panth...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/michigan-rally...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 30, 2020 - 4:54pm.

Is Sweden Doing It Right?
The Swedes aren’t battling the coronavirus with broad lockdowns.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/opini...
Are we going to adapt to the coronavirus — by design — the way Sweden is attempting to do — or are we going to go the same direction as Sweden — by messy default — or are we just going to say “the hell with lockdowns” and go 50 different ways?

Submitted by spdrun on April 30, 2020 - 5:25pm.

Newsom blinked? Parks are not being closed and beach closures are in OC only.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 1, 2020 - 12:00pm.

outtamojo wrote:
Patience is way thin I agree. Our past never seemed so relevant to what has gone on in Oregon and now in Michigan. Such a contrast : (
https://www.history.com/news/black-panth...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/michigan-rally...

Double standards are nothing new in America.
Those white gun toting protesters represent the “real America”, so they get a pass.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 1, 2020 - 5:31pm.

Protests in California.
Lots of Trump signs. I didn’t see any Biden signs.

https://youtu.be/29_iTehYKzk

Submitted by gogogosandiego on May 1, 2020 - 5:38pm.

Well...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...

"A network of right-leaning individuals and groups, aided by nimble online outfits, has helped incubate the fervor erupting in state capitals across the country. The activism is often organic and the frustration deeply felt, but it is also being amplified, and in some cases coordinated, by longtime conservative activists, whose robust operations were initially set up with help from Republican megadonors."

Submitted by outtamojo on May 1, 2020 - 7:32pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
Patience is way thin I agree. Our past never seemed so relevant to what has gone on in Oregon and now in Michigan. Such a contrast : (
https://www.history.com/news/black-panth...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/michigan-rally...

Double standards are nothing new in America.
Those white gun toting protesters represent the “real America”, so they get a pass.

As if on cue the orange one says these are very fine people. Whatever happened to peaceful unarmed kneeling...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 1, 2020 - 8:29pm.

outtamojo wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
Patience is way thin I agree. Our past never seemed so relevant to what has gone on in Oregon and now in Michigan. Such a contrast : (
https://www.history.com/news/black-panth...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/michigan-rally...

Double standards are nothing new in America.
Those white gun toting protesters represent the “real America”, so they get a pass.

As if on cue the orange one says these are very fine people. Whatever happened to peaceful unarmed kneeling...

They should try that outside the white house. Security's tighter.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 2, 2020 - 11:09am.

It’s funny that the demonstrators are talking inspiration from Sweden, a freedom-killing, “socialist” country. Those same people were going berserk over Ebola some years ago.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on May 3, 2020 - 10:44am.

Even Newsom is now saying herd immunity is at least part of Goal.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 3, 2020 - 3:19pm.

The-Shoveler wrote:
Even Newsom is now saying herd immunity is at least part of Goal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/opini...

Herd immunity means a lot of dead people 1st.

Submitted by phaster on May 3, 2020 - 4:02pm.

outtamojo wrote:
Trump's army

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/demonst...

All youse better fill out your "do not resuscitate" papers to make things easier on all of us.

seems the american bar association agrees that STATES DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO QUARANTINE POPULATIONS

www.abajournal.com/news/article/suits-ov...

sigh,... the idea of lawsuits over covid-19 social distancing, is dumb IMHO!!!

as I see things its akin to a lawsuit that says firefighters have no business telling people to get out of an area where there are conflagrations

Quote:

California’s governor declares statewide emergency over wildfires as mass evacuation continues

SANTA ROSA, Calif. — California’s governor declared a statewide emergency Sunday as hurricane-force wind fueled wildfires across Sonoma County and prompted mass evacuations in communities to the Pacific Ocean.

Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) pledged to deploy “every resource available” as authorities fought blazes on both ends of the state and weather increased the danger. Despite the efforts of several thousand firefighters and volunteers, and millions of people enduring forced blackouts to minimize the risk of new blazes,...

...The mandatory evacuations affected nearly 180,000 people. About 54,000 acres already have been torched, 94 structures destroyed and State Route 128 turned into a hellish gantlet. And 80,000 structures remain under threat.

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/27...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_GRAl7ga7c

just as firefighters tell people an area is unsafe where an inferno is raging, people should listen to medical experts who have years of experience fighting off infections,... the idea in both cases to to save lives

bottom line,... its best to ignore quack advice from a TV reality celebrity who found a political following

www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6f3TOwv0NA

Submitted by outtamojo on May 3, 2020 - 5:14pm.

Saw Blue Lives Matter trending on Twitter this morning- footage of protesters getting in law officer's faces and even pushing them. Time to break out the tear gas police dogs cattle prods and invite those people to leave the country if they don't like it here.

Submitted by spdrun on May 3, 2020 - 5:16pm.

The article about "herd immunity" is oversimplifying about herd immunity being "when things start to slow down." Even 20% immunity will likely slow down an epidemic ... herd immunity is when growth is linear (vs exponential), ASSUMING NO OTHER MEASURES. The point is that, as more people gain immunity, the measures required to keep an epidemic in check gradually decrease.

"Herd immunity" needing a majority of the population also makes other assumptions, like that everyone is equally susceptible. Perhaps 50% of people can't catch COVID due to some genetic difference or due to cross-immunity with other coronaviridae. This would explain the low household secondary attack rate -- only about 15-25% of people sharing a home with a COVID case contract it themselves.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 4, 2020 - 12:23pm.

Interesting article on Islamic face covering.
Targeting muslim women, some countries have banned face covering. And in USA, people have argued that face covering is unsafe and unamerican.
What’s the difference between Islamic face cover and what we see today? That’s making me think....

We are all niqabis now: Coronavirus masks reveal hypocrisy of face covering bans
https://theconversation.com/we-are-all-n...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 10, 2020 - 3:05am.

The churches in Kentucky won a legal victory.
I don’t support the church gatherings, but the law is the law.. Let them gather if they wish.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/09...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 10, 2020 - 9:16am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
The churches in Kentucky won a legal victory.
I don’t support the church gatherings, but the law is the law.. Let them gather if they wish.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/09/kentucky-court-halts-ban-on-church-gatherings-245960

Morons.

Submitted by an on May 10, 2020 - 10:07am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
The churches in Kentucky won a legal victory.
I don’t support the church gatherings, but the law is the law.. Let them gather if they wish.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/09/kentucky-court-halts-ban-on-church-gatherings-245960

Morons.


Darwin

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 10, 2020 - 10:55am.

an wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
The churches in Kentucky won a legal victory.
I don’t support the church gatherings, but the law is the law.. Let them gather if they wish.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/09...

Morons.


Darwin

If Darwin is the way to go, then why have lockdowns at all?

Submitted by outtamojo on May 10, 2020 - 11:52am.

Yes and why should religion get special treatment? If souplantation can accommodate health guidelines shouldn't they be able to open too?

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 10, 2020 - 1:41pm.

Constitution.

The Buddhists down at deerpark shut down WAYYY ahead of the curve. I recall being slightly incredulous and irtitated.

But they're smart. Makes me like them more.

Because Buddhists arent stuck to kind of dumb doctrine and ate more practice than belief, they are more flexible to new data. It's ok the world is old because they cleverly didnt commit to a provably wrong timeline.

Judaism, christianity, ugh.

Submitted by svelte on May 10, 2020 - 6:34pm.

sdduuuude wrote:
gogogosandiego wrote:
Tomorrow in KY when idiots go to Church and don't maintain social distancing etc their license plate # will be written down and they will be required to self quarantine for 14 days.

That actually makes perfect sense to me.

Arresting the minister does not...

Ruled legal back in 1918 by an appellate court:

1918 Appellate Court Ruling on Spanish Flu Restrictions1918 Appellate Court Ruling on Spanish Flu Restrictions

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 17, 2020 - 1:35pm.

The courts seem to be siding with the protesters.
One problem that I have with the executive stay at home orders is that the full text of the orders are not widely disseminated. If we are a country laws, then we should be fully transparent.

https://youtu.be/5BEqQ76GOyE

Submitted by utcsox on May 17, 2020 - 9:22pm.

outtamojo wrote:
Yes and why should religion get special treatment? If souplantation can accommodate health guidelines shouldn't they be able to open too?

One thing we do know is that the virus has very little regard of our precious religious freedom. Sure you can pack as many conservative justices in as many courts as you can, but the virus is not going to respect your rights to workship without the fear of contracting the deadly disease.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/17/us/covid-...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 18, 2020 - 9:50am.

utcsox wrote:
One thing we do know is that the virus has very little regard of our precious religious freedom. Sure you can pack as many conservative justices in as many courts as you can, but the virus is not going to respect your rights to workship without the fear of contracting the deadly disease.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/17/us/covid-...

Freedom ain’t free

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