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Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 19, 2018 - 1:00pm

I am not a fan of children. I think of them as little monsters who dirty up and destroy things. But the practice of separating children and parents who are asylum seekers is very inhumane. Imagine the trauma to the kids.

I got to thinking.... last week I ran into a friend and fellow landlord whom I always thought was a bad landlord and business person. She rents to bad elements who don’t behave well. One of her tenants is a single mom with 4 kids. Husband is in prison on gun charges. Tenants always pays late. I would have evicted the whole family a long time ago. Sorry, business is business.

Anyway, the lady drove the 4 kids to the movies and brought over a nice meal she prepared herself. She never talked about it so I didn’t know she was so kind. There’s hope for the world after all. I felt bad because I would never do something like that.

Submitted by ucodegen on June 19, 2018 - 9:42pm.

But the practice of separating children and parents who are asylum seekers is very inhumane. Imagine the trauma to the kids.

This is misconstruing what it happening. Those seeking asylum are not separated provided that they make a claim for asylum on entry. They are then granted a hearing date on the claim of asylum and given temporary entry. If they then skip the hearing date, they are considered in the U.S. illegally and that they may not have a valid asylum claim (claim being used for pretense the enter and get lost 'in the crowd'). Often these people are given several additional dates to appear for the asylum hearing and many skip those as well. Often this happens for many years.

Those crossing the border illegally, ie using coyotes and are then found inside the country illegally, are often separated from their children. Unlike those who have made a claim for asylum on entry, they have not expressed a claim for asylum (until caught). As with U.S. citizens who have to go to jail for a criminal act, they will be separated from the children with the children either living with relatives or are temporarily fostered. Having children does not grant you immunity from consequences for your actions. An additional fact; if a parent has shown risky and irresponsible behavior that repeatedly lands them in jail or puts their children at risk, their children can actually be taken from them by C.P.S. and they can permanently loose custody.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383...

We are being played by most of the Main Stream Media as well as those who try to make us feel bad about the separation; "Feel for the Children". Well I feel for the children, but not the parents. They uprooted their children and put them at risk to cross the border illegally. Women (adult and sometimes minors) are sometimes sexually assaulted in the process - often by the coyotes as a form of payment to the coyotes. I can understand to some extent why people try to enter illegally. They are told by those in the business of transporting migrants that money literally drops from the sky into their laps and they don't have to work very hard to make a living (the proverbial streets paved with gold story). When the migrants get here, they discover it is much different. They don't have the needed language skills, have minimal education in a job environment that is getting increasingly technical.

Submitted by ucodegen on June 19, 2018 - 10:11pm.

I got to thinking.... last week I ran into a friend and fellow landlord whom I always thought was a bad landlord and business person. She rents to bad elements who don’t behave well. One of her tenants is a single mom with 4 kids. Husband is in prison on gun charges. Tenants always pays late.

I used to help people like that too.. until I found out that if the tables were turned, these 'bad elements' would not do anything to help you. They often get into that condition through a long series of bad decisions. ie. the gun charge. You don't go to prison for unregistered firearm, you might if you are a felon in possession. Why the felony? In this situation, I worry about the children. They learn by the example of their parents. Being compassionate and helping may have a bad side effect. It may create a moral hazard played out in front of the children, where parents might be seen as getting rewarded for poor behavior and lack of responsibility by the children seeing it all played out in front of them; Children that may not understand that their current difficulties may in part be due to a long series of bad decisions by their parents - but they get a nice movie and meal made by someone else and no cost to themselves or their parents.

Situations like the above, and the illegal migrants with children make me very sad. I can see both sides of the issue. Children should not have to suffer due to the irresponsibility of their parents. However we also have to be careful of what is being learned by the children in the process. We have to be careful of 'adults' using and abusing our goodwill, good nature and willingness to help - the Fagins of the world? (supposed adults - who might have produced 4 children, but are themselves so out of control that they have problems staying out of prison, nor keeping a good job)

Submitted by spdrun on June 20, 2018 - 9:11am.

Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. It's very common for people accused of misdemeanors (or even low-grade felonies) to be booked then released on their own recognizance. Separation of parents and children is a deliberate policy choice, NOT one required by law.

Submitted by ucodegen on June 20, 2018 - 12:00pm.

spdrun wrote:
Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. It's very common for people accused of misdemeanors (or even low-grade felonies) to be booked then released on their own recognizance. Separation of parents and children is a deliberate policy choice, NOT one required by law.

True, however there is also the problem of Failure To Appear. The ROR has been abused by migrants.

NOTE: To overstay a visa is actually a 'Civil Infraction', ie parking ticket. To enter illegally is a misdemeanor. Unlawful re-entry can rise to a felony and be a federal crime - depending. 8 USC 1325 - illegal entry - penalties of fine($50 to $250) and/or imprisoned for up to 6 months - repeats the fine can be doubled and/or imprisoned up to 2 years. There is also additional under 8 USC 1182.

Many of those entering also commit identity theft - obtaining fraudulent Social Security IDs.

Submitted by bibsoconner on June 20, 2018 - 2:19pm.

"I felt bad because I would never do something like that."

That's an easy problem to fix. Simply "do something like that". On the rare occasions when I do something nice, I suspect it brings me at least as much joy as the recipient.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 23, 2018 - 3:04am.

I’m wondering how logistically Trump willl reunite the kids separated from their parents. What happens if the parents have been deported. There has to be some way to ID the kids and a database to track kids and parents.

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