California Senate Passes Discrimination Bill SCA-5....

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Submitted by Coronita on March 1, 2014 - 7:24pm

Welcome to double standards discrimination in California...again....

I will never send my kids to a UC system school if I can donate my way into an pedigree ivy league....

If you're asian, you better be signing these damn petitions.....

Told ya. I wasn't kidding about changing my kids last name before entering college...

Pretty fucked up....

http://www.change.org/petitions/californ...

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio...


http://english.cri.cn/6966/2014/02/22/53...

Chinese Americans in the U.S. State of California have started petitions for the veto of a state senate bill which will restrict Asians in school admission and employment.

On Jan. 30, California Senate passed SCA-5, a legislation that would repeal portions of California Proposition 209 and allow the state to use race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin as a consideration for accepting students or hiring employees.

The bill was introduced by State Senator Ed Hernandez who claimed that fewer under-represented minority students are admitted in state universities as a result of Proposition 209.

A petition has started at the White House website which says that California's SCA-5 is against the "equal protection" clause of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

The petition needs 100,000 signatures by March 18 to make the White House take any action. Asian American organizations are encouraging Asians to sign it as a way to voice concerns of millions of Asians in the United States.

Another petition at the www.change.org website has started at the state level, calling for the California State Assembly to veto the bill.

If the bill passes the State Assembly, it could be an issue for Californian voters to decide in the coming election.

Xudong Sun, president of American Anhui Association of Scholars and Students, told Xinhua that this legislation is racial and is a serious discrimination against Asian Americans.

He said right now at the University of California and state universities, Asian students account for 36 percent, but Bill SCA-5 would restrict Asians to 13 percent.

He said under-represented minority groups, like African Americans and Hispanics need protection, but such protection should not be made at the expense of Asian Americans.

Submitted by Coronita on March 1, 2014 - 7:30pm.

http://capoliticalnews.com/2014/02/02/mo...

"But go look at the official stats of the demographics of 2013 incoming UC freshman:
http://www.ucop.edu/news/factsheets/2013... (end of the table)

So, what’s the percentage of incoming freshmen who are white (INCLUDING “other”)? 28.1% — well BELOW the percentage of whites in California (42.3%). And BTW, note that this table shows that the percentage of the selectively designated “oppressed” minority admissions is NOT shrinking — it’s remarkably level. The drop they ballyhoo is the ending in 1996 of the disastrous and discriminatory quota system that existed before we passed Prop 209 to make such discrimination illegal.

This bill is not about countering white privilege. It’s about setting up DE FACTO quotas for ASIANS — which constitute a (supposedly evil) disproportionately high 36% of admissions vs. 14.9% of the CA population. Apparently these Asian kids “act white” FAR better than even WHITE kids act white!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California"

Submitted by SK in CV on March 1, 2014 - 7:51pm.

As a non-Asian that had 2 kids attend UC, I entirely agree with you. Petition signed.

Submitted by spdrun on March 1, 2014 - 7:53pm.

Signed, not sure how much my signature carries as a non-resident, though.

As with anything -- may the best candidate win. Quotas are a disgusting and wrong idea. I might support some leeway based on economic background, but that's about it.

Good thing about CA law is that even if SCA-5 passes both houses and isn't vetoed by Moonbat Brown, it still needs to pass a popular referendum.

Submitted by SD Realtor on March 1, 2014 - 8:07pm.

I agree FLU. This is totally f'd up. Be a good parent, teach your kids to accel academically but because of your race, they may not be able to go to these schools.

Freeking disgusting.

Submitted by Coronita on March 1, 2014 - 9:31pm.

Come on. How hard is 100k signatures...

Submitted by sjk on March 1, 2014 - 9:45pm.

I sign it.....and I'm not Asian.(european ancestry)This is so wrong,it state sponsored racism.

Regards,

Submitted by paramount on March 2, 2014 - 12:02am.

SD Realtor wrote:
I agree FLU. This is totally f'd up. Be a good parent, teach your kids to accel academically but because of your race, they may not be able to go to these schools.

Freeking disgusting.

It is disgusting, and has been happening to white kids for quite some time now.

Welcome to the club.

Submitted by Coronita on March 2, 2014 - 12:53am.

paramount wrote:
SD Realtor wrote:
I agree FLU. This is totally f'd up. Be a good parent, teach your kids to accel academically but because of your race, they may not be able to go to these schools.

Freeking disgusting.

It is disgusting, and has been happening to white kids for quite some time now.

Welcome to the club.

Paramount. It's been happening to asian kids for along time even 20+ years ago...Where have you been?

It's much WORSE than that..Because on top of the state and the universities sanctioned racism/discrimination, in the past, there has been quite a bit that were a proponent of quotas specifically against asians because there was "too many of them" . And there's been many many attempts even in the public schools to try to redraw district lines to rebalance asians across other lower performing schools, to make the other schools in the distrct look better...Just follow what went on in the Cupertino, CA schools..or in the Mission San Jose /Fremont District....

It's just politicians and champions of "equality" have always vehemently denied the double standards..
I think I mentioned this a few times on this blog too, of which a few have also vehemently denied... Well, I guess the cat IS out of the bag now...
So people now can see how truly disgusting things are that some of us knew all along.....

Prop 209 was a step in the right direction.. Unfortunately, I guess SCA-5 sort of undo's everything related to prop 209......

Things are especially going to be bad for asian american kids because, I'm pretty sure they'll lump "asians" both ones here and the ones abroad into that quota... Guess which ones the universities will be selecting.. Yup, the ones that will be paying the full, out of state tuitions....

As a suggestion for asian parents that want their kids to go to a UC school, perhaps the trick is (in addition to changing the last name temporarily), buy a house out of state and actually apply for admission as an out of state resident that will pay for the full tuition.. Just kidding... sort of....

It's things like this I wish I had $20+million "fuck you" net worth that my kid would be able to leverage....Might not be "fair" in terms of wealth inequality, but neither is this shit...

Submitted by Coronita on March 2, 2014 - 12:51am.

Folks, if you find this bill disgusting, please pass it along to others that would find it equally disgusting...

It needs to be stopped at all cost...

Submitted by an on March 2, 2014 - 1:07am.

flu wrote:
As a suggestion for asian parents that want their kids to go to a UC school, perhaps the trick is (in addition to changing the last name temporarily), buy a house out of state and actually apply for admission as an out of state resident that will pay for the full tuition.. Just kidding... sort of..
flu, I totally agree with you about the name thing. Which is why, if you look at my kids' names on an application, you'd think they have German decent :-).

But if you're going to change their name temporarily, it might make a bigger effect if you name them something like Jamal or Jermaine or Monique or Keyshia.

Submitted by Coronita on March 2, 2014 - 1:12am.

AN wrote:
flu wrote:
As a suggestion for asian parents that want their kids to go to a UC school, perhaps the trick is (in addition to changing the last name temporarily), buy a house out of state and actually apply for admission as an out of state resident that will pay for the full tuition.. Just kidding... sort of..
flu, I totally agree with you about the name thing. Which is why, if you look at my kids' names on an application, you'd think they have German decent :-).

But if you're going to change their name temporarily, it might make a bigger effect if you name them something like Jamal or Jermaine or Monique or Keyshia.

I think in honor of this bill, I'll change my kid's last name to Hernandez, just to make a mockery of this ridiculous "law"....

Please sign the petition, and get your significant other and all of your family members and relatives to sign...

Submitted by an on March 2, 2014 - 1:35am.

flu wrote:
AN wrote:
flu wrote:
As a suggestion for asian parents that want their kids to go to a UC school, perhaps the trick is (in addition to changing the last name temporarily), buy a house out of state and actually apply for admission as an out of state resident that will pay for the full tuition.. Just kidding... sort of..
flu, I totally agree with you about the name thing. Which is why, if you look at my kids' names on an application, you'd think they have German decent :-).

But if you're going to change their name temporarily, it might make a bigger effect if you name them something like Jamal or Jermaine or Monique or Keyshia.

I think in honor of this bill, I'll change my kid's last name to Hernandez, just to make a mockery of this ridiculous "law"....

Please sign the petition, and get your significant other and all of your family members and relatives to sign...

I wonder if on the application, you check the Hispanic box. Would they be able to tell? Maybe that's one way around it. You can very well have a Chinese dad and a Mexican mom and you just happen to identify yourself more with your Hispanic heritage. That way, you don't have to go through the hassle of changing your name :-).

Submitted by scaredyclassic on March 2, 2014 - 8:04am.

obviously, you wouldnt want to commit fraud or get your kid involved in fraud. however. i'm looking at the actual question on the aid application.

Question 2. Please select the racial category or categories with which you most closely identify by placing an “X” in the appropriate box. Check as many as apply.

the questionasks about "having origins" in a particular location. So, black is having origins in any of th eblack racial groups of Africa.

Technically, I think, we all have origins in Africa. Need to check the archaeological record again...but isn't that the cradle of mankind? So technically, i don't think it would be fraud to "identify" as having origins there.
the question doesn't specify a certain percentage, so 50% african, or 1/5,000,000,000,000 seem to be similarly treated.

It might be fraud to identify as having origins in Asia say if you didn't have a connection there...

butchered cut and copy version of usaid question..

RACIAL CATEGORY (Check as many as apply)
DEFINITION OF CATEGORY
U American Indian or Alaska Native U Asian U Black or African American U Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander U White
A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America), and who maintains tribal affiliation or community attachment. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam. A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands. A person having

Submitted by scaredyclassic on March 2, 2014 - 8:05am.

one of the most important things you learn in law school is to read the question very carefully...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on March 2, 2014 - 8:17am.

on the other hand, you might want to get an actual legal opinion before attempting any of these finely parsed responses to aid or racial identity questions. i am not offering legal advice. All of the above is for entertainment purposes only. you should always answer questions honestly and in good faith. Also, ensure there is consistency in answering questions, from the birth certificate onwards, to ensure your showing of good faith. This is not legal advice and I'm not your lawyer. in fact, the most prudent thing to do would be to completely ignore everything I've said.

Submitted by spdrun on March 2, 2014 - 8:31am.

Would a White South African immigrant be considered "African American" for the purposes of these surveys? Would a Black person from metropolitan France who was applying from abroad qualify?

Submitted by cahunter on March 2, 2014 - 8:35am.

I have learned this bill for some time and have emailed and called my state assembly representative to vote NO on this bill.

Ed Hernandez sponsored similar bill, SB 185, in 2011. It was passed in both state senate and assembly but vetoed by Governor Jerry Brown. This time around, he is hope that with the 2/3 majority power of democrats, this bill can be presented to California voters to decide in November election.

This is a bill of race discrimination to me. Its ridiculousness is best illustrated by a comment I read here: http://capoliticalnews.com/2014/02/02/mo...

I am very sad by this proposal. I am Korean adopted by a Hispanic family. Looks like all my siblings will get a better chance to get to college but me
. How stupid this is! I love my adoption family but this makes me sick to stomach.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on March 2, 2014 - 8:54am.

it would be nice to see some asian student activism on high school campuses. maybe the jews can can join in and have some sort of "screw you, we won't do your work strike" across the state high schools if you won't let us in your universities. it would be pretty cool to see students fighting about something.

imagine the chaos in high schools if everyone just stopped working; or even going into classes.

perhaps students could refuse to sit, speak or work for the entire period.

at the very least, any group affected by this bill should refuse to ever identify on any form forever and should never take any state standardized test to try to help a publci school achieve a better standing.

on the other hand, UC schools are getting to be kind of a financial ripoff. maybe it's not so bad on a pracical financial level...

Submitted by Gunslinger on March 2, 2014 - 9:21am.

signed it partner

Submitted by Coronita on March 2, 2014 - 9:39am.

The problem with a lot of Asians is they don't give a rats ass about things related to governmental policies. Until it attacks something that is a fundamental no no (crossing the line).

Fucking with kids education is one of those things.

Me thinks I will be camping out next weekend at ranch 99 with a petition table and a laptop... This is just bullshit

Submitted by spdrun on March 2, 2014 - 9:50am.

Have to say, that goes for most Americans, Asian or not, in general. Compare the periodic street protests in Paris, essentially shutting down the city, to the relatively tame Occupy strikes....

Submitted by Coronita on March 2, 2014 - 10:32am.

Can you imagine if this bill, instead of about education, was about real estate?

Only 13% of the total number of residence in Carmel Valley, La Jolla, RSF can be asians...

Ridiculous...

Submitted by Coronita on March 2, 2014 - 10:33am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
it would be nice to see some asian student activism on high school campuses. maybe the jews can can join in and have some sort of "screw you, we won't do your work strike" across the state high schools if you won't let us in your universities. it would be pretty cool to see students fighting about something.

imagine the chaos in high schools if everyone just stopped working; or even going into classes.

perhaps students could refuse to sit, speak or work for the entire period.

at the very least, any group affected by this bill should refuse to ever identify on any form forever and should never take any state standardized test to try to help a publci school achieve a better standing.

on the other hand, UC schools are getting to be kind of a financial ripoff. maybe it's not so bad on a pracical financial level...

It's not just UC schools... It's any CA state school (Cal State system included)....

Submitted by ltsddd on March 2, 2014 - 11:04am.

I am a little torn on this issue. I don't think the UC schools have ever been merit-based only wrt their admission policy.
I believe the UC schools still deploying the 60:40 ratio for freshman admissions. That is, 60% of the available spots are to be used to admit incoming freshmen based strictly on academics only. And the other 40% is when the schools would take into account the student's extra-curricula activities, economic background, etc. If this is still the case then it begs the question - is it fair if, all things being equal, a student got admitted because they came from a "poor" family over a student that came from a "wealthy" family? If the schools have been using the financial background and one of the metrics for admission then how different is it if they were to add race to category? I guess in this case if you're rich and Asian/White then you're doubly screwed.

That said, I've always told my kids to make sure that just make sure that they make the grades to ensure that they are the 60 percenter and take the decision making out of the hands of the schools.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on March 2, 2014 - 11:57am.

perhaps just handicap the asians and jews. give them say half the time as other groups on tests. that would be more exciting and in keeping with the general sprit of competitiveness...

Submitted by Coronita on March 2, 2014 - 1:13pm.

ltsdd wrote:
I am a little torn on this issue. I don't think the UC schools have ever been merit-based only wrt their admission policy.
I believe the UC schools still deploying the 60:40 ratio for freshman admissions. That is, 60% of the available spots are to be used to admit incoming freshmen based strictly on academics only. And the other 40% is when the schools would take into account the student's extra-curricula activities, economic background, etc. If this is still the case then it begs the question - is it fair if, all things being equal, a student got admitted because they came from a "poor" family over a student that came from a "wealthy" family? If the schools have been using the financial background and one of the metrics for admission then how different is it if they were to add race to category? I guess in this case if you're rich and Asian/White then you're doubly screwed.

That said, I've always told my kids to make sure that just make sure that they make the grades to ensure that they are the 60 percenter and take the decision making out of the hands of the schools.

Classic "if my kid makes the extreme cut", then injustice doesn't matter for the rest of them there were otherwise qualified...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on March 2, 2014 - 1:40pm.

Given the relatively recent imprisonment if Asians during wwii, they seem to have a pretty good pedigree for being recent victims of discrimination resulting in a social disadvantage.

Submitted by paramount on March 2, 2014 - 2:35pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
it would be nice to see some asian student activism on high school campuses. maybe the jews can can join in and have some sort of "screw you, we won't do your work strike" across the state high schools if you won't let us in your universities. it would be pretty cool to see students fighting about something.

So jews are a race and not a religion? Both?

And they're screwing us already - it's called the federal reserve. In fact, that would be a great place to start the work stoppage.

Submitted by dumbrenter on March 2, 2014 - 2:48pm.

flu wrote:
Can you imagine if this bill, instead of about education, was about real estate?

Only 13% of the total number of residence in Carmel Valley, La Jolla, RSF can be asians...

Ridiculous...


You are giving me ideas :-)
That would be one way to bring the prices down in these neighborhoods

Submitted by dumbrenter on March 2, 2014 - 2:55pm.

How do they figure out if somebody is asian? Is there some sort of test, like the one-drop test? will there be a new department to figure out the asianness % of a given person? A genetic test? Will that department be staffed by only by non-asians or will it have the same general percentage of asians as asked of by the bill? Who determines who are asians in that department set to figure out who is asian?
It is all so confusing.

in the good old days discrimination used to be so easy like the "asian exclusion league", why would CA want to make it so complicated like everything else?

While at it, can we please add the following:
- limiting % of persian dentists in a city
- limiting % of vietnamese hairstylists and manicure/pedicurists
- limiting % of asians in qualcomm and other large companies
- limiting % of koreans running japanese restaurants in san diego

This bill has so much potential

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