California Doomsayers....

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Submitted by Coronita on September 14, 2021 - 3:48pm

How do you think the recalls will play out?

Submitted by Coronita on September 18, 2021 - 11:33am.

XBoxBoy wrote:
svelte wrote:
Perhaps not happy until others are unhappy

The irony of this statement is wonderful. I mean this thread is chock full of posts that could be used to argue this. Why do so many feel the need to tell EconProf what a miserable choice they've made?
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Or unsure of the huge decision he's made and trying to convince others to take the same path for validation
How is it different than those that have stayed and want to convince others how wonderful it is where they have stayed and how foolish anyone who left is?
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Or perhaps trying to convince us he is smarter

Oh don't even try to claim there's only one side here trying to make themselves feel smarter.

Don't get me wrong, I have no plans to move from San Diego, but I sure do wish y'all would just let EconProf sing the praises of Utah and help encourage others to move. We got plenty of people here and could easily lose a ton more without degrading our lives.

I don't think people are trying to say what a wonderful place SD or CA is. I think most people here acknowledge there are issues and there are good things. But unless I'm not mistaken, this blog is mainly focused on the SD and to a lesser extent on CA. Why someone who already moved out of this area and CA would need to continue to come back here to trash CA or SD , is borderline mental illness....I think for most part the other piggs that have left the state have moved on...Its not like any of us are camping on a Utah blog telling how effed up the morons are ..
(Side note: Big Mitt Romney fan here...)

and come on now, EconProf main reason for moving had more to do with family and kids than the state of CA. yes, probably CA was getting to annoy a lot more conservative leaning people, but especially someone of his economic standing , none of this would have dramatically impacted his living standard. And knowing him, he would be living in the most conservative parts of the state so he wouldn't even need to deal with all the black, brown, yellow, purple, pink people in this state which based on one of his Utah posts was also something that bothered him...
If he didn't like the black, brown, yellow, blue, purple, pink people, there's plenty of counties and area where that is still a neglible amount here in CA. and a lot of places in the state that are rural that fits that description.

There's some really nice remote places beautiful places around Mendicito and Sacramento area that are much more red that would fit the bill.

in fact if you take away LA, SF, and a lesser extent SD , a good portion of the state really isn't solid blue. It's pretty red...So for a guy who is supposedly all knowing "professor" to gloss over that fact and to lump all of CA as a solid blue state is pretty stupid.

It's like say everyone Utah is a Bible humping polygomist

As far as the recall goes. Lots of independents and moderate republicans probably don't like a lot of what some of the crazy far left leaning blue people do, but come on Elders? As long as the GOP continue to entertain Trumpism/Elders, GOP is a losing party.

many including me have already dropped this now crazy party. Pissed off about this, blame the Trumpism that took over this party.

I wasn't even going to vote for this recall because if the person put in front was like Falconer, I'd be like ok, that's fine, something on the middle. but the GOP decided to put forth elders..so, it wasn't more a vote for elders or the democrats as it was a vote against elders/trump extremism...enough is enough...

Submitted by svelte on September 18, 2021 - 2:47pm.

XBoxBoy wrote:
svelte wrote:
Perhaps not happy until others are unhappy

The irony of this statement is wonderful. I mean this thread is chock full of posts that could be used to argue this. Why do so many feel the need to tell EconProf what a miserable choice they've made?

You've missed the point entirely XBoxBoy. Speaking for myself and probably Coronita and SDR, I don't think we are saying Utah is a miserable choice. Econ has been spending time on here advocating how wonderful Utah is compared to California.

He's taken time out of the wonderful days he's spending in Utah to throw rocks at California. I think we are merely pointing out that nothing is as black and white as that...there are good and back points to Utah just as there are good and bad points in California.

I certainly don't think everything in California is just perfect. Not crazy about the traffic. The toll booths on the Benicia-Martinez bridge really ticked me off last week. Forest fires are moving from an annoyance to a serious serious problem. But none of that outweighs California's positives to me.

And I certainly don't take time out of my wonderful California life to seek out Utah forums to tell Utahns how wonderful California is. I would expect that, if I did, I'd probably have rocks thrown at me by Utahns. Just like the Utahn who is coming to a California forum is finding being hurled in his direction. Hey if you go looking for trouble, there's a good chance you're going to find it! Just as he is finding...

If Econ wants to move to Utah, I'm all for it! Take a few dozen friends with him! I personally would like to see housing prices drop for my grandchildren's sake. We have no shortage of folks in this state. We can stand to thin the herd quite a bit.

One more thing: by the late 1940s, almost all of my direct ancestors from Idaho and Utah left the area and never lived there again (some of their siblings remained though none in my direct lineage). They didn't find that area all that appealing, apparently.

Submitted by svelte on September 18, 2021 - 2:51pm.

Another point: I have lived many years in states west of the Mississippi. Several states.

I remain good friends with many people from those states and we even visit each other from time to time.

You know what I don't do? I don't go to their house and tell them how shitty their state is and how wonderful California is.

If I did, I would expect they'd want to stop visiting with me. Think about that.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 18, 2021 - 2:58pm.

Sitting in a park in Paris France
Reading the news and it sure looks bad
They won't give peace a chance
That was just a dream some of us had
Still a lot of lands to see
But I wouldn't want to stay here
It's too old and cold and settled in its ways here
Oh but California
California I'm coming home
I'm going to see the folks I dig
I'll even kiss a Sunset pig
California I'm coming home
I met a redneck on a Grecian isle
Who did the goat dance very well
He gave me back my smile
But he kept my camera to sell
Oh the rogue the red red rogue
He cooked good omelettes and stews
And I might have stayed on with him there
But my heart cried out for you California
Oh California I'm coming home
Oh make me feel good rock 'n' roll band
I'm your biggest fan
California I'm coming home
Oh it gets so lonely
When you're walking
And the streets are full of strangers
All the news of home you read
Just gives you the blues
Just gives you the blues
So I bought me a ticket
I caught a plane to Spain
Went to a party down a red dirt road
There were lots of pretty people there
Reading Rolling Stone reading Vogue
They said "How long can you hang around?"
I said a week maybe two
Just until my skin turns brown
Then I'm going home to California
California I'm coming home
Oh will you take me as I am
Strung out on another man
California I'm coming home
Oh it gets so lonely
When you're walking
And the streets are full of strangers
All the news of home you read
More about the war
And the bloody changes
Oh will you take me as I am?
Will you take me as I am?
Will you?

Submitted by EconProf on September 18, 2021 - 3:03pm.

Thanks for all the feedback, both positive and negative.
First, I agree with the crotchety old man description. You young whippersnappers may some day come to the same conclusions as me.
To be clear, I thoroughly enjoyed living in San Diego and still miss aspects of it. But as a long-time real estate investor, I fear for its future and thank Piggington for the opportunity to warn others.
San Diego RE prices are having somewhat of a sugar-high due to factors that are largely temporary: unusually low mortgage rates, an influx of sellers of LA and Bay area properties, and the artificial shortage of buildable land (ocean, the border, Pendleton, mountains, etc.). Above all, CA politics are driving away families and blue-collar types who hope some day to own a house. This will likely accelerate, since CA is 2 to 1 Democrat vs. Republican. It was evenly balanced when I came here, and our housing prices were very similar to other big cities. Now the flight to cheaper states will accelerate.
I suspect Piggs are well above average in income, home ownership rates, and neighborhood quality. But it is a bit unseemly to laud the runup in prices and rents considering who it hurts. Yes, I know--I benefited as well during my decades of investing in San Diego RE. But RE investors should look at long-term demographic trends in their decision-making.

Submitted by Coronita on September 18, 2021 - 3:28pm.

EconProf wrote:
Thanks for all the feedback, both positive and negative.
First, I agree with the crotchety old man description. You young whippersnappers may some day come to the same conclusions as me.
To be clear, I thoroughly enjoyed living in San Diego and still miss aspects of it. But as a long-time real estate investor, I fear for its future and thank Piggington for the opportunity to warn others.
San Diego RE prices are having somewhat of a sugar-high due to factors that are largely temporary: unusually low mortgage rates, an influx of sellers of LA and Bay area properties, and the artificial shortage of buildable land (ocean, the border, Pendleton, mountains, etc.). Above all, CA politics are driving away families and blue-collar types who hope some day to own a house. This will likely accelerate, since CA is 2 to 1 Democrat vs. Republican. It was evenly balanced when I came here, and our housing prices were very similar to other big cities. Now the flight to cheaper states will accelerate.
I suspect Piggs are well above average in income, home ownership rates, and neighborhood quality. But it is a bit unseemly to laud the runup in prices and rents considering who it hurts. Yes, I know--I benefited as well during my decades of investing in San Diego RE. But RE investors should look at long-term demographic trends in their decision-making.

um... I call bullshit on that one. You don't give a shit about us. $20 says you'd much rather see things blow up just so you can rub it in others faces that you are right the rest of us are wrong. Just like others that came before you, you're not here to really objectively present facts good or bad or care for us because you have a truly since worry for anyone here....please....you're here like a few others... to look for things to prop up your biased conviction ax grinding mentality and will only look for things that support your biased thesis.

There were many people that came before you for different reasons...

There were those looking for the impending doom and gloom of the great recession would bring 50% off of coastal properties. The folks from say New York city that don't live here even.

Then there was the know all be all from Chula Vista that likes to compare lizards in far flung areas to Chula Vista.

Then there was the people looking for reasons to justify peak oil.

And the list goes on.

All you people all roll the same way. You are loopsidedly biased based on a bitter, crash, sour grapes mentality, and initially focused on looking at any shred of negativity not support your lopsidedly bad convictions and the longer things go the other way against your conviction, you dig even deeper into a bigger hole reaching for even more far flung poop to try to stay relevant, hoping that eventually the clock shows correct time after it's long stopped. You dig yourself in this mess with this warped crass conviction, and while no one is really laughing in your face about it, you obviously feel like you need continue down this path to seem relevant, even though you are in Utah now and should be enjoying your time spending with your family and the beautiful places the state has to offer, or even share a few pictures of where you been...because I don't think if you did that anyone would throwing shades and say Utah is shit, wow those landscapes look like shit, the same way you are kinda going about the CA bash-o-matic non stop...If people are saying you are a cranky old fart, well it's because you're acting like one when things don't even concern you anymore since you've long exited CA and even if the state blows up, doesn't concern you. Get over it.

Submitted by svelte on September 18, 2021 - 3:16pm.

EconProf wrote:

To be clear, I thoroughly enjoyed living in San Diego and still miss aspects of it. But as a long-time real estate investor, I fear for its future and thank Piggington for the opportunity to warn others.

I share that fear but have faith that things usually work themselves out in the end. Sometimes it just takes awhile.

EconProf wrote:

Above all, CA politics are driving away families and blue-collar types who hope some day to own a house. This will likely accelerate, since CA is 2 to 1 Democrat vs. Republican. It was evenly balanced when I came here, and our housing prices were very similar to other big cities. Now the flight to cheaper states will accelerate.

You always seem to ignore when we point out there is not one California.

There is coastal California that is very rich and Democratic. There is inland California that is pretty poor and Republican. People can still buy homes inland at affordable prices. Just as folks can in Utah. Because in many ways, inland California is a lot like Utah.

EconProf wrote:

I suspect Piggs are well above average in income, home ownership rates, and neighborhood quality. But it is a bit unseemly to laud the runup in prices and rents considering who it hurts. Yes, I know--I benefited as well during my decades of investing in San Diego RE. But RE investors should look at long-term demographic trends in their decision-making.

You made a decision that is best for your situation, no one can argue with that. If it fits you best, go for it. I wish you the best.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 18, 2021 - 3:54pm.

Temecula is about a Utah.

Submitted by svelte on September 18, 2021 - 3:59pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Temecula is about a Utah.

lol I hadn't thought about that...I think I agree!

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 18, 2021 - 4:59pm.

Joni Mitchell never sang about Utah or temecula.

Move in day at UCSB. Makes CA look pretty damn nice. The futures uncertain but these kids look ready to do something.

Man the dads look like hell. Hard to raise kids. I was playing hackysack on the lawn while the kid was moving in and security came to check if I belonged.

Very suspicious, old dude hackysacking.

Submitted by sdrealtor on September 18, 2021 - 6:19pm.

Y'all covered it pretty well

Enjoy your new home. I'm enjoying my long term home and will continue to do so

for the fun of it I googled most overpriced cities in America. Guess which state has 3 out of 10 of the most overpriced real estate markets?

https://business.fau.edu/departments/fin...

Submitted by 42nate1 on September 18, 2021 - 8:26pm.

Republicans have no future in CA. Why would anyone with potential/talent run in this state, when they have no hope of winning with an R next to their name? Much better for those individuals to relocate to other states with better prospects to move up the political ladder.

I think that is a big reason why Newson won. He's not particularly popular, but the right didn't put up anyone that was serious. I voted against Newson. Nothing would have changed, had he been recalled; legislature is solidly D. Newson wants to make a POTUS run. I was hoping that him being fired would end that aspiration. He'll be a front runner in 2028, regardless of what happens in 2024.

We get the political leadership we want. In CA, we want far left overregulation, & high taxes. I just wish we could get some of the potholes filled in with all that tax revenue. Maybe the cure for high taxes is even higher taxes. Eventually the pain will reach a point, where people rebel - or not.

I rant, but SD/CA has afforded me great opportunities to raise my family & have a good life & secure future retirement. It's not a perfect place by any means, but the weather is nice, and i've lived in much worse places.

Submitted by an on September 18, 2021 - 10:23pm.

This is 2020 result. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Unite...

Even Fresno turned blue. So, I agree with 42nate1, Republican is dead here. It wouldn't surprise me if CA turn 95-100% blue in a couple of decades.

Republic haven been moving out to state and Democrats are moving here. I'm predicting the complete failure of the recall will accelerate that migration.

Submitted by flyer on September 19, 2021 - 12:09am.

I completely understand EP's thoughts, but, as a native, who has also lived elsewhere over the years, I find it's been interesting and entertaining to watch the state evolve into it's present form. Many people who now live in CA, come from other places where most native Californians would never want to live for even an hour, so I completely understand how much the transplants must love being in a place like CA.

Some natives don't like the way the state has changed, and continues to change but, imo, whatever the negatives may be, the positives far outweigh them, and our family has benefited tremendously from the positive aspects of living in CA for generations, so I'm sure we'll be here for many generations to come.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 19, 2021 - 7:07am.

Is it safe to be Mexican in all these better republican locales?

Submitted by EconProf on September 19, 2021 - 7:25am.

sdrealtor wrote:
Y'all covered it pretty well

Enjoy your new home. I'm enjoying my long term home and will continue to do so

for the fun of it I googled most overpriced cities in America. Guess which state has 3 out of 10 of the most overpriced real estate markets?

Interesting article, sdr, and thank you for sharing it. But what is it really revealing? It lists the most "overpriced" and "underpriced" cities. Top of the list of "overpriced" is Boise, Idaho, followed by Austin, Ogden, and Provo. But these are the very cities people are fleeing TO, thus boosting their prices of late.
The article then defines as "underpriced" Honolulu, Virginia Beach VA, Baltimore, and New York--the cities people are moving FROM of late, thus lowering their RE prices.
My whole thesis is to invest long term in where people are moving TO, not FROM. With the runup in prices in Boise, its prices are probably still lower than, say, Honolulu. As an aside, Boise has had the highest rent increase among cities according to one source. I would guess that its prices and rents are still lower than Honolulu or NYC.
FWIW, I've bought 3 condos since moving to St. George, all with prices and rents about half to one-third comparable properties in San Diego. The price per SF has risen 28% in St. George in the past one year.
I believe in looking at long term demographic trends. The factors that made SD a great place to invest are slowly being offset by the negatives.
I agree with most everyone here, to each his own, and I wish the best to all, whatever their choice.

https://business.fau.edu/departments/finance/real-estate-initiative/housing-market-ranking/housing-top-and-bottom-10/

Submitted by sdrealtor on September 19, 2021 - 7:48am.

What is it revealing? Are you actually asking that? What does skyrocketing prices in a place without the economy or jobs to support it reveal? What have you been doing the last 14 years you've been here? Have you read anything? Maybe it's time for you go back and read Rich's Bubble Primer

Submitted by sdrealtor on September 19, 2021 - 8:22am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Joni Mitchell never sang about Utah or temecula.

Move in day at UCSB. Makes CA look pretty damn nice. The futures uncertain but these kids look ready to do something.

Man the dads look like hell. Hard to raise kids. I was playing hackysack on the lawn while the kid was moving in and security came to check if I belonged.

Very suspicious, old dude hackysacking.

Congrats on UCSB! My daughter ended up UCSD but really wanted to go there. Heck! I wanted to go once I saw it with her

Submitted by an on September 19, 2021 - 10:15am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Is it safe to be Mexican in all these better republican locales?

Is it safe to be Mexican in Compton or southeast San Diego by the 4 corner of death? How about south side of Chicago?

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 19, 2021 - 10:29am.

sdrealtor wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Joni Mitchell never sang about Utah or temecula.

Move in day at UCSB. Makes CA look pretty damn nice. The futures uncertain but these kids look ready to do something.

Man the dads look like hell. Hard to raise kids. I was playing hackysack on the lawn while the kid was moving in and security came to check if I belonged.

Very suspicious, old dude hackysacking.

Congrats on UCSB! My daughter ended up UCSD but really wanted to go there. Heck! I wanted to go once I saw it with her

I saw the other parents looking proud. I tried to suppress my pride but I was having difficulty. Some parents were embarrassingly proud. I felt like their kids must be pretty smart, because this is my smartest kid. It was such a nice varied looking bunch of humans it did make me feel good about Calif.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 19, 2021 - 10:30am.

an wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Is it safe to be Mexican in all these better republican locales?

Is it safe to be Mexican in Compton or southeast San Diego by the 4 corner of death? How about south side of Chicago?

Good point. I'd say Mexicans should come to Temecula.

Submitted by flyer on September 19, 2021 - 10:32am.

Great time for all when kids head off to college, then, when you see them achieve their goals in life, it's even more exciting. Enjoy!

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 19, 2021 - 12:16pm.

flyer wrote:
Great time for all when kids head off to college, then, when you see them achieve their goals in life, it's even more exciting. Enjoy!

My expectations for children and Calif. Are very low. If we can find love and work that doesn't kill us, I'd be 110 perc. Satisfied.

Submitted by flyer on September 19, 2021 - 2:19pm.

Sounds like a good plan, Scaredy. I have no doubt that your kids will do just fine.

Our kids seem to be doing well, and enjoying their chosen fields. Our daughter, in particular, who always knew she wanted to be an MD had been practicing for about a year when she met "Mr. Right" via her mother's introduction, and it was a whirlwind romance and wedding.

He's an entertainment executive (or media mogul as my daughter would say) and they are loving their lives in Malibu, so I don't know if she'll continue to practice when they start a family or not. Having kids definitely keeps life interesting.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 19, 2021 - 9:11pm.

flyer wrote:
Sounds like a good plan, Scaredy. I have no doubt that your kids will do just fine.

Our kids seem to be doing well, and enjoying their chosen fields. Our daughter, in particular, who always knew she wanted to be an MD had been practicing for about a year when she met "Mr. Right" via her mother's introduction, and it was a whirlwind romance and wedding.

He's an entertainment executive (or media mogul as my daughter would say) and they are loving their lives in Malibu, so I don't know if she'll continue to practice when they start a family or not. Having kids definitely keeps life interesting.

Mazel tov! Any man in serious need of a pre nup is by definition senor right! Cali- hoolywoooood 4 ever

Submitted by flyer on September 20, 2021 - 12:49am.

Oh yeah, they both took care of that issue. We're glad our daughter listened to us on that, since her real estate and other family holdings are considerable, as are his, from various sources. You always hope for the best in every marriage, but you never really know what might happen, so better safe than sorry. We've suggested prenups to all of our kids.

Submitted by Coronita on September 20, 2021 - 8:37am.

No one cares.

Submitted by an on September 20, 2021 - 8:45am.

Coronita wrote:
No one cares.

I wonder why even bother getting "married"? Why not just live together and if it no longer works out, just leave? It's a lot less headache.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 20, 2021 - 9:07am.

an wrote:
Coronita wrote:
No one cares.

I wonder why even bother getting "married"? Why not just live together and if it no longer works out, just leave? It's a lot less headache.

"A Ulysses pact or Ulysses contract is a freely made decision that is designed and intended to bind oneself in the future. The term is used in medicine, especially in reference to advance directives (also known as living wills), where there is some controversy over whether a decision made by a person in one state of health should be considered binding upon that person when they are in a markedly different, usually worse, state of health.

The term refers to the pact that Ulysses (Greek name Ὀδυσσεύς, Odysseus) made with his men as they approached the Sirens. Ulysses wanted to hear the Sirens' song although he knew that doing so would render him incapable of rational thought. He put wax in his men's ears so that they could not hear and had them tie him to the mast so that he could not jump into the sea. He ordered them not to change course under any circumstances and to keep their swords upon him and to attack him if he should break free of his bonds.

Upon hearing the Sirens' song, Ulysses was driven temporarily insane and struggled with all of his might to break free so that he might join the Sirens, which would have meant his death."

I believe that marriage is a ulysses pact

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 20, 2021 - 9:14am.

flyer wrote:
Oh yeah, they both took care of that issue. We're glad our daughter listened to us on that, since her real estate and other family holdings are considerable, as are his, from various sources. You always hope for the best in every marriage, but you never really know what might happen, so better safe than sorry. We've suggested prenups to all of our kids.

a prenup should generally only be recommended where one's childs income is greater than the target. Since media moguls generally make more than physicians, the correct advice likely is no prenup. heck the doctor's income barely covers the car, driver, and occasional helicopter trip. But then again, consult one's own high powered lawyer for actual advice.

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