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Submitted by Raybyrnes on January 12, 2009 - 9:48pm

What happened to Bubble Market Inventory Tracker? I know the author purchased a house but I used the links to get to the other real estate blogs.

That was a really good blog. I would ask the author if he reads this to put it back up.

Submitted by jpinpb on January 14, 2009 - 10:20pm.

Yes, how dare we cheer on someone exposing the fraudsters. Our bad. Let's just turn a blind eye to it all.

Submitted by jpinpb on January 14, 2009 - 10:12pm.

delete

Submitted by patientlywaiting on January 14, 2009 - 11:12pm.

Trojan4Life wrote:

Throwing numbers up without providing any analysis of substance isn't exactly what I was talking about. Do you see a difference between Rich's analysis and OCR's?

Who says anyone has to analyze anything? Let the reader do their own analysis and form their own opinions. It's better to have the data and examples excesses than for the information to be hidden.

If you don't like it don't read it. That's what freedom of speech is all about.

Submitted by Raybyrnes on January 14, 2009 - 11:17pm.

OC Renter

It would be appreciated if you announce your blog is back up on piggingington, if you elect to do so. I ahve made a couple of wishful attempts thinking you might give some second thoughts.

Submitted by ocrenter on January 15, 2009 - 9:02am.

yes Raybyrnes, I'll let you know here.

as for the blog's recent hiatus. let it be known it was not trojan's doing. I wrote that post in anger and deleted it within 5 minutes, but the power of the internet kept that alive. so be it.

true reason is I had a pretty intense exchange off line following a request for info on my purchase which I mistakenly supplied. after the exchange, there were obvious difference in opinion between me and the person involved. the person then revealed that he thought I should be sued.

so I'm now at this person's mercy. he has since noted that he will not actively aid in exposing my identity. but knowing that this person has enough information to track me down, and knowing that he feels I should be sued, that is enough to bring the blog offline.

so regarding trojan's statement that I should live by the sword and die by the sword. I did and that is why the blog is gone.

trojan's demand that I reveal details has already tested water and the result was instant threat of litigation.

there's no ground for it, but we all know we live in a society where the threat of lawsuit is the new wild west. where instead of pulling out a gun when two disagree, we pull out our cellphones to call the lawyer.

the blog was started and maintained always with one goal in mind, the serve the better good. I saw way too much displacement and misery created by the housing bubble in real life every single day. data are great, but I realized a lot of folks simple do not respond to numbers and graphs. real life stories and examples are what truly move people. and that's why the blog went the direction it did.

yes, with each post, that particular homeowner maybe a bit unhappy that his or her public record is now in blog form. but if that help a husband or a wife out there convince his or her spouse that buying wasn't right, then that was good enough for me.

so in the end, yes I was reckless in providing details to someone on e-mail. and that has caused a lot of inconvinience for readers that have come to rely on my blog and its links. that is THE biggest mistake in my blogging career over the last 3 years and it ultimately is THE nail in the coffin. my sincerest appologies to all of my loyal readers for that mistake.

Submitted by Eugene on January 15, 2009 - 10:25am.

OCR, are you from Southeast Asia (Vietnam or Philippines)?

By the way I do understand your decision. I just don't think that anything has changed because of you buying a house or disclosing its address to anybody. I'm pretty sure that Adam is not going to sue you, nor does he have any merit to. On the other hand, if one of the homebuyers you ridiculed on your blog decided to sue, not knowing the address would not have been a big obstacle.

Submitted by NotCranky on January 15, 2009 - 9:45am.

It seems to me that the issue is not whether or not the information is public but what is the intent behind showcasing it with accusations. Was it reckless? Most of the stuff was probably true, but a mistake can be made or the wrong person can be offended.

I have no doubt OCRenters intentions, in his mind were noble, but I would hate to see a judge decide on it. People have rights that preclude this type of stuff.

It seems to me keeping the "private" in private detective is a good idea. That doesn't just mean conceal your identity, but also that of those you might investigate.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on January 15, 2009 - 10:47am.

Rus: I think there are other considerations here as well. Given the relative newness of blogging and the widespread reach of the 'net, you can create invasion of privacy issues without the intent of doing so.

If the information that OCR relayed was in the public domain, the person in question really didn't have an expectation of privacy, legally speaking. But the larger issue now is that, prior to this, no one really contemplated how far and wide that information would be spread and what sort of damage it might potentially do.

OCR mentions that his post on Trojan4Life was written in anger and deleted some five minutes later. But in those five minutes it was picked up by others and went God knows where. So after feeling bad about penning it, he took it down, but it was arguably too late as evidenced by it's reappearance here and now. On top of that, it also appears that we haven't gotten the whole story, as Trojan asserts the complete post was not shown and thus we don't have the complete or proper context.

So you have something of a mess, but without the apparent intention of creating one. We lose an excellent resource in BMIT's closure, OCR's privacy (and potential family safety) is compromised and the threat of litigation now hovers over him and through no fault of his own.

Submitted by ibjames on January 15, 2009 - 11:11am.

waiting hawk wrote:
Dont read the blog then u crybaby and make your own that is up to your standards.

EXACTLY... if it bothers you so much, stop reading it and STFU already trojan

Submitted by CardiffBaseball on January 15, 2009 - 11:18am.

Honestly I'd love to know the rationale behind why this person thinks a lawsuit is warranted.

Not Trojan but the one who caused the blog to be taken down. I can bust his kneecaps if needed, or kick his ass all the way to Jamul....

On second thought OCR will have to fight his own battles.

Submitted by jpinpb on January 15, 2009 - 11:24am.

That's true. In a way it's almost like the religious folks complaining about Howard Stern. Just don't listen if it offends you. Don't watch a tv show you don't like. And don't read a website that posts public information and opinion. God knows there's only billions of other sites you can surf to.

BTW - if OCR defaults and/or forecloses, that will be public information and anyone can post that information. He is not being secretive regarding that. Everyone's identity who posts is anon. About the only people who are very public is Rich, Mr. Mortgage and Jim the Realtor.

OCR started a blog and chose to be anon. No one complained about that for 4 years. Now that he decided to purchase a home, people want to know who he is -- and threaten to sue him.

That's BS.

Submitted by NotCranky on January 15, 2009 - 11:38am.

Allan,
I have thought about what you are saying regarding this escalation of potential harm.It's like an innocent campfire that gets out of control. It is going to put the camper who started it in the spotlight in very uncomfortable ways, especially if he didn't make much effort to put it out, worse if he fanned the flames or it is perceived that he did.

It is really not about privacy, but harassment or intent to harm a reputation. I am not saying OCR had those intents, but what was going on there had red flags all over it. And even if it was on target snake poking, your still poking snakes...venomous ones. To do this without the full support of the law is questionable.What private citizen has the full support of the law, especially on these issues? None.

JP, Many millions, maybe billions never went to OCR's blog. It didn't stop him from getting in hot water with it. Who is shooting the messenger?

Submitted by NotCranky on January 15, 2009 - 11:39am.

Cardiff baseball,
I bet I can strike you out before you get a hit off me!

Submitted by flu on January 15, 2009 - 11:45am.

Perhaps a moot point, but I thought that for folks to avoid public scrutiny, there are ways to shield private information from public searches.

I know filing marriage at the county, it could be sealed record. I suppose holding a property in an LLC in Wyoming would be something else.

Comments and ideas?

OT: Russell, you inspire me...Notice the handle :)

Submitted by Rockemsock on January 15, 2009 - 12:37pm.

OCR,

Just like you said, many people respond and relate better to specific examples. The housing bubble examples you gave day in and day out were a great balance to the Schiller/Rich/Mish/Mr. Mortgage charts and analysis. Showing my wife a chart returns the "Deer in the headlights" response. Showing her a picture of a house that is a few miles away, and giving her the specifics on the fraud or measure of distress paints the perfect picture for her. She got it, we sold, we're now renting, and I'm thankful to blogs like yours and the Piggs out there. So thank you.

Trojan4Life,

On what basis did you state that OCR has a "LACK OF CREDIBILITY, ETHICS..."?

Submitted by BGinRB on January 15, 2009 - 1:44pm.

I remember seeing a pathetic "let's guess OCRenter's address" thread somewhere.

The whole 'industry' (there is no added value, there is just a bunch of lazy loud mouths using 'anecdotal evidence' to scare/goad people into paying a racquet, hence the quotes) reeks.

The only thing that surprises me is that OC could not restrain himself from bragging about his purchase.

What was your page rank, anyway? You might be able to get some decent $$ for that property. It will help pay a lawyer.

Submitted by Eugene on January 15, 2009 - 1:47pm.

BGinRB wrote:
I remember seeing a pathetic "let's guess OCRenter's address" thread somewhere.

What was so pathetic about it?

He was giving away so much information, he practically wanted someone to guess his address.

Submitted by sdnerd on January 15, 2009 - 1:49pm.

I don't recall ever reading anything on the blog that would justify any lawsuit.

Virtually all of the information provided was public information, and then freedom of speech commentary.

The only thing that is jumping into my head is perhaps he purchased in one of the neighborhoods or homes he actually featured on his blog. I'm not close to anything of a lawyer, but maybe there is a no-no somewhere in there if some of his information was incorrect @ helped to lower the sale price based on false information.

Who knows. Heck if you can sue for spilling hot coffee on your lap... or for getting injured while breaking into someone's house... why not for some comments on a blog.

Miss the blog, wish it would come back.

Submitted by jpinpb on January 15, 2009 - 1:57pm.

I was interested in what part of San Diego County he purchased in to see where he was able to get 2000-2001 pricing, like where the deals are, other than Oceanside or Chula Vista.

Where he lives is his private information. What his exact address is should not be something anyone needs to know. We don't ask where Rich lives or Mr. Mortgage or Jim the Realtor, or SDR or anyone else who posts here.

Submitted by ucodegen on January 15, 2009 - 2:03pm.

so I'm now at this person's mercy. he has since noted that he will not actively aid in exposing my identity. but knowing that this person has enough information to track me down, and knowing that he feels I should be sued, that is enough to bring the blog offline.

Maybe we should sue this individual for the shutdown of what many of us consider a service..?? The lawsuit sword cuts both ways...

Submitted by NotCranky on January 15, 2009 - 2:05pm.

flu wrote:

OT: Russell, you inspire me...Notice the handle :)

flu? I hope you get better soon. I think mine is just a cold ;).

Submitted by CardiffBaseball on January 15, 2009 - 2:56pm.

Russell wrote:
Cardiff baseball,
I bet I can strike you out before you get a hit off me!

Hey I said kick his ass all the way to Jamul. (sdrealtor's buff friend was my inspiration).. Once I get there he's Jamul's problem...

You are 6'5" as I recall so if you have good reach and hand-eye it will be hard for my 6-1" to get in on you. I'd scrap and get inside like Tyson, which of course means yes I'd probably have a tough time getting a shot in since I am not Tyson.

Now one thing is I don't have a glass jaw, so I might have to take one to give one and see how it all works out. Of course that ain't so smart when facing a 6'5" lever...

Submitted by NotCranky on January 15, 2009 - 3:47pm.

Baseball guy, I was talking about baseball!Why on earth would you think of fighting? I went and got my lack of ball control insurance up to date and all.Not that I was planning on throwing high and inside ;).

AFF sounds like the catcher type to me. Let's do it!

Submitted by flu on January 15, 2009 - 3:49pm.

I have a prediction. It's a just a matter of time before a blog community blows up and people go on their way. It's an evolution. People initially start on the same blog with the same interest, think the same. You get a few characters here and there that you scoff at routinely. They stop participating. Then without much to talk about, people start picking on each other, than someone gets pissed and steps away, then fewer and fewer people start picking on each other, eventually a forum is a ghosttown. I think the housing bubble has burst and it may very well take some of thesehousing bubble blogs too.
Oh well.

Submitted by flu on January 15, 2009 - 3:56pm.

Russell wrote:
flu wrote:

OT: Russell, you inspire me...Notice the handle :)

flu? I hope you get better soon. I think mine is just a cold ;).

Heh. Mine was a cold and almost cancer. Boy did I dodge that bullet. Ironic, since flu has a double meaning now :) Now I know why doctors are paid what they make. Told ya, you should have gotten rid of me last year. Bring it on baby, nothing gets to me now!!!!

We're desmond? Yup, I deserved that one because of ethics! I know i know...heh heh...Boy I'm glad I don't live 100% like a saint. Because if I did and crap still happens, I would be like WTF....

OCR, good luck man. Did enjoy your post. Don't know the static that's going on between you and others but I wish you luck.

Breeze stopped posting? I guess he's camping out for the inauguration.

And stocks, I followed your stock trading advice. Thanks, I just lost and extra couple thousands this week. Thanks.

Trojan, how are you buddy?

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on January 15, 2009 - 4:15pm.

Rus: Now, that's scary! I did play catcher. Hated the position, but it was better than outfielder.

I'd be careful, though. It sounds as though CardiffBaseball has some "chin music" ready to play!

I'll make it easy for you. I'll just send the Old Number One signal every single time. Give 'em the heat, baby, give 'em the heat!

Submitted by CardiffBaseball on January 15, 2009 - 4:25pm.

That's funny Rus I thought you were implying that you'd could strike me out before I could get one in on you. Which is still probably true, because I'm slow. But I make up for it with bad footwork and poor cardio.

I'm too old for that crap, but everytime I watch Paulie Walnuts (Sopranos), I think I am a tough guy again so I wanted to help OCR.

I don't need any chin music from a tall drink of water. You guys with the long levers wake up throwin' 90. I am not even sure I could get out of the way on time.

Submitted by NotCranky on January 15, 2009 - 4:34pm.

Cardiff,Problem is and truth be told, you would probably have to dodge my arm as it approaches home plate, long before the ball waffles harmlessly into the 3rd base dugout.

Submitted by BGinRB on January 15, 2009 - 5:05pm.

esmith wrote:
BGinRB wrote:
I remember seeing a pathetic "let's guess OCRenter's address" thread somewhere.

What was so pathetic about it?

He was giving away so much information, he practically wanted someone to guess his address.

Ah, I see, it was to make his wish come true. How sweet.

Submitted by Kilohana on January 15, 2009 - 5:39pm.

flu wrote:
I have a prediction. It's a just a matter of time before a blog community blows up and people go on their way. It's an evolution. People initially start on the same blog with the same interest, think the same. You get a few characters here and there that you scoff at routinely. They stop participating. Then without much to talk about, people start picking on each other, than someone gets pissed and steps away, then fewer and fewer people start picking on each other, eventually a forum is a ghosttown. I think the housing bubble has burst and it may very well take some of thesehousing bubble blogs too.
Oh well.

It's the ciiiiiiiiiiiircle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiife.

Are we seeing Peak Bubble Blog? I've been posting in one place or another for over 10 years now and in my experience, very few forums endure more than a few cycles of exodus. I don't know how it happens, but drama always seems to slowly overshadow actual content until the eventual, inevitable implosion.

Bummer.

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