Back to the Office for Tech Workers

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Submitted by deadzone on February 23, 2022 - 2:35pm

Covid is over now for all intents and purposes. Amazon announced return to the office (3 days a week) and no longer requiring vaccine.

You knew this was coming, other large tech companies will follow suite. This change in addition to tech stocks getting absolutely hammered in the stock market this year will pretty much put an end to the "Bay area tech worker moving to ___ for remote work".

Just another ominous sign for the housing market along with rapidly rising interest rates. Anybody flipping houses now is going to get rammed hard. I think Zillow was wise to get out of that business when they did.

Submitted by XBoxBoy on March 9, 2022 - 3:22pm.

flu wrote:
I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company.

So when's your sabbatical gonna be?

Submitted by Coronita on March 9, 2022 - 3:40pm.

XBoxBoy wrote:
flu wrote:
I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company.

So when's your sabbatical gonna be?

I am afraid that won't work for me. if I told my boss I was going to take 6 months off to work on my cars, my boss would tell me "best wishes for your next opportunity at your new company".... As the only one left from the acquired company's senior management, I think my boss is counting the days I find something better so they can take over..maybe I can rest and vest a little longer and make it to my 3rd year.

Submitted by JPJones on March 9, 2022 - 7:28pm.

Coronita wrote:
Lol....

So one of my senior mobile engineers, the one that I previously said was working out of his RV/trailer traveling the US, decided to resign from my company. He's going on a 6 month hike from the mexican border to the canadian border.

I was like, man that's cool. I wish I did that when I was younger. So I tell my boss's boss that his last day will be next week. To my surprise, my boss's boss told me to ask him if he was interested in going on a 6 month sabbatical. I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company. I was told, "not officially".... lol....

Sounds like your boss knows how difficult/impossible it will be to replace a senior engineer. And here we are kicking around the idea that remote work is on the way out. Maybe we should kick harder so it goes away?

Submitted by Coronita on March 9, 2022 - 7:53pm.

JPJones wrote:
Coronita wrote:
Lol....

So one of my senior mobile engineers, the one that I previously said was working out of his RV/trailer traveling the US, decided to resign from my company. He's going on a 6 month hike from the mexican border to the canadian border.

I was like, man that's cool. I wish I did that when I was younger. So I tell my boss's boss that his last day will be next week. To my surprise, my boss's boss told me to ask him if he was interested in going on a 6 month sabbatical. I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company. I was told, "not officially".... lol....

Sounds like your boss knows how difficult/impossible it will be to replace a senior engineer. And here we are kicking around the idea that remote work is on the way out. Maybe we should kick harder so it goes away?

I know how hard it is to replace a good senior engineer, but I didn't think it was possible to compete against "I'm going on a 6 month hiking trip". He's taking the sabbatical deal. Lol...

Submitted by sdrealtor on March 9, 2022 - 8:03pm.

Coronita wrote:
JPJones wrote:
Coronita wrote:
Lol....

So one of my senior mobile engineers, the one that I previously said was working out of his RV/trailer traveling the US, decided to resign from my company. He's going on a 6 month hike from the mexican border to the canadian border.

I was like, man that's cool. I wish I did that when I was younger. So I tell my boss's boss that his last day will be next week. To my surprise, my boss's boss told me to ask him if he was interested in going on a 6 month sabbatical. I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company. I was told, "not officially".... lol....

Sounds like your boss knows how difficult/impossible it will be to replace a senior engineer. And here we are kicking around the idea that remote work is on the way out. Maybe we should kick harder so it goes away?

I know how hard it is to replace a good senior engineer, but I didn't think it was possible to compete against "I'm going on a 6 month hiking trip". He's taking the sabbatical deal. Lol...

What a great idea! Sabbatical for me also! Got the ok from the boss

Submitted by Coronita on March 9, 2022 - 8:27pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
Coronita wrote:
JPJones wrote:
Coronita wrote:
Lol....

So one of my senior mobile engineers, the one that I previously said was working out of his RV/trailer traveling the US, decided to resign from my company. He's going on a 6 month hike from the mexican border to the canadian border.

I was like, man that's cool. I wish I did that when I was younger. So I tell my boss's boss that his last day will be next week. To my surprise, my boss's boss told me to ask him if he was interested in going on a 6 month sabbatical. I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company. I was told, "not officially".... lol....

Sounds like your boss knows how difficult/impossible it will be to replace a senior engineer. And here we are kicking around the idea that remote work is on the way out. Maybe we should kick harder so it goes away?

I know how hard it is to replace a good senior engineer, but I didn't think it was possible to compete against "I'm going on a 6 month hiking trip". He's taking the sabbatical deal. Lol...

What a great idea! Sabbatical for me also! Got the ok from the boss

I am sad to see him go for 6 months but I would totally do it before I settle down. Going on a hiking trip from border to border is one of those once in a life time events, and job security 6 months after he's done is probably a once in lifetime arrangement from a once in lifetime cool boss and boss's boss.

Submitted by flyer on March 10, 2022 - 2:22am.

Totally agree wrt the article FormerSanDiegan--even if it passes--it won't make much difference--but it is interesting to see how desperate politicians are becoming to try to appease their constituents wrt housing. Until they find a way to create more land, I kinda think it's going to continue to be a challenge for them--especially in highly desirable areas like San Diego.

Submitted by Coronita on March 10, 2022 - 6:05am.
Submitted by an on March 10, 2022 - 7:37am.

Coronita wrote:
NcNc

https://www.piggington.com/nc?size=_original


Loving this! Let's see if we can wrap up the year with 20% increase

Submitted by sdrealtor on March 10, 2022 - 9:12am.

Coronita wrote:
sdrealtor wrote:
Coronita wrote:
JPJones wrote:
Coronita wrote:
Lol....

So one of my senior mobile engineers, the one that I previously said was working out of his RV/trailer traveling the US, decided to resign from my company. He's going on a 6 month hike from the mexican border to the canadian border.

I was like, man that's cool. I wish I did that when I was younger. So I tell my boss's boss that his last day will be next week. To my surprise, my boss's boss told me to ask him if he was interested in going on a 6 month sabbatical. I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company. I was told, "not officially".... lol....

Sounds like your boss knows how difficult/impossible it will be to replace a senior engineer. And here we are kicking around the idea that remote work is on the way out. Maybe we should kick harder so it goes away?

I know how hard it is to replace a good senior engineer, but I didn't think it was possible to compete against "I'm going on a 6 month hiking trip". He's taking the sabbatical deal. Lol...

What a great idea! Sabbatical for me also! Got the ok from the boss

I am sad to see him go for 6 months but I would totally do it before I settle down. Going on a hiking trip from border to border is one of those once in a life time events, and job security 6 months after he's done is probably a once in lifetime arrangement from a once in lifetime cool boss and boss's boss.

Cool story. When one is faced with opportunity like that it seldom comes again in one’s lifetime

Submitted by Coronita on March 10, 2022 - 12:53pm.

XBoxBoy wrote:
flu wrote:
I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company.

So when's your sabbatical gonna be?

Holy Shit.
I'm having a great day.
My boss just resigned.
I'm in charge now.

VP for years decided to join a startup and work remotely.

Submitted by sdrealtor on March 10, 2022 - 2:03pm.

Coronita wrote:
XBoxBoy wrote:
flu wrote:
I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company.

So when's your sabbatical gonna be?

Holy Shit.
I'm having a great day.
My boss just resigned.
I'm in charge now.

VP for years decided to join a startup and work remotely.

Emperor FLU

Submitted by gzz on March 10, 2022 - 3:08pm.

“I’m in charge now”

https://youtu.be/zUKW0fL-OqY

Submitted by sdrealtor on March 10, 2022 - 4:06pm.

I prefer this one

https://youtu.be/dvA-mimf2yg

Submitted by JPJones on March 10, 2022 - 8:39pm.

Coronita wrote:
XBoxBoy wrote:
flu wrote:
I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company.

So when's your sabbatical gonna be?

Holy Shit.
I'm having a great day.
My boss just resigned.
I'm in charge now.

VP for years decided to join a startup and work remotely.

Hey, maybe they'll let you work remotely, too! Oh, and grats on the last-man-standing promotion, of course. There can be only one!

Submitted by Coronita on March 10, 2022 - 9:48pm.

JPJones wrote:
Coronita wrote:
XBoxBoy wrote:
flu wrote:
I didn't even know sabbatical existed at my company.

So when's your sabbatical gonna be?

Holy Shit.
I'm having a great day.
My boss just resigned.
I'm in charge now.

VP for years decided to join a startup and work remotely.

Hey, maybe they'll let you work remotely, too! Oh, and grats on the last-man-standing promotion, of course. There can be only one!

I already am. My company is hq'd in Florida. I've been wfh well before COVID.

Actually I also did my coworker senior engineer that is going on a 6 month hike a big favor.

After the sabbatical idea was given by my boss's boss, I've been making sure it happens and to his advantage. He's going to use his PTO first, so his sabbatical starts April 2. That also means he will have his health benefits for the entire month of April and only needs to get medical dental starting may.

also, since he's on sabbatical , he's getting his unannounced special bonus that will be paid in April. If he resigned next week as originally planned he wouldn't have gotten his bonus.

Submitted by sdrealtor on March 11, 2022 - 9:42am.

So kind of you to do that. He’s an employee that may actually return or follow you to your next gig. Well done

Submitted by Coronita on March 11, 2022 - 10:42am.

sdrealtor wrote:
So kind of you to do that. He’s an employee that may actually return or follow you to your next gig. Well done

He wants to work out of europe after he returns. lol.

Submitted by flyer on March 11, 2022 - 12:45pm.

This definitely shows how difficult it is to keep great employees, and to what lengths employers need to be willing to go to do so--which is great for the employees.

One of my sons is a partner in a venture capital firm, and,
he has seen that retaining exceptional talent is one of the greatest challenges facing many companies, and especially new ventures.

Submitted by sdrealtor on March 12, 2022 - 4:25pm.

CEO of Goldman Sachs demanded all employees return to work in office 5 days a week. Only half showed up

https://fortune.com/2022/03/11/goldman-s...

Submitted by spdrun on March 13, 2022 - 8:43am.

They'll just start whittling away at the hours where remote access is available to them... they'll have to come in or get fired.

Submitted by deadzone on March 13, 2022 - 9:34am.

Google return to office April 4th. Apple returning April 11th.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/04/apple-wo...

Submitted by utcsox on March 13, 2022 - 10:45am.

deadzone wrote:
Google return to office April 4th. Apple returning April 11th.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/04/apple-workers-set-to-return-to-office-beginning-april-11.html

When are the defense workers return to office?

Submitted by Coronita on March 13, 2022 - 11:23am.

Yes, I noticed that traffic to the the Amazon, Google campuses in Sorrento Valley and Apples campus on UTC have picked up. Must be the additional new hires that weren't there last year.. Lol....

Submitted by patb on March 13, 2022 - 4:30pm.

Unlikely,

I suspect a huge amount of tech workers to stay out of the bay area.

Too many serfs have proven happy working remote.

Submitted by spdrun on March 13, 2022 - 5:12pm.

Plenty of smart Ukrainian refugees willing to work for an H1-B ...

Submitted by Coronita on March 13, 2022 - 6:36pm.

spdrun wrote:
Plenty of smart Ukrainian refugees willing to work for an H1-B ...

H1-Bs aren't cheap unless a company is a shithead and tries to take advantage of people in bad situations.

My senior engineer we started an H1B for makes.the same $165k base as my US citizen does..one works out of Utah one works out of SD.

Submitted by spdrun on March 13, 2022 - 7:37pm.

We're talking about tech companies in the US, right? Do you not expect some to be exploitative?

Submitted by Coronita on March 14, 2022 - 6:56am.

spdrun wrote:
We're talking about tech companies in the US, right? Do you not expect some to be exploitative?

i don't understand you understand how this works in practice.

H1B means hiring the person here in the US. It's not cheap. Any public company or company planning to go public under a lot of scrutiny wouldn't be able to get away with paying H1B significantly below market value. Small shitty companies maybe, but irrelevant to the greater talent pool of tech workers who don't need to work at small shitty companies with no plans on going public of without stock grants...
Eventually companies will get caught and people will go to jail if company big enough....

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/01/h...

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/03/26/h...

https://www.sanjoseinside.com/news/two-s...

Fed already learned from 2018ish.
H1B visa abuse is so circa 2018 that it doesn't make sense to try to do this and risk getting caught
...And it's way more expensive and far more risk than hiring someone out of a satellite office in Romania or Poland. Not just wages, but legal and administrative cost of doing an H1B applicant. Speaking from experience....

Submitted by Coronita on March 14, 2022 - 6:52am.

I remember a few years ago, some.folks here posted about how awful it would be to work like.a slave at a big company and all the virtues of being a small independent BYOB because of how great quality of life would be...

That was before COVID.
Well let's see now.
You have salaried tech workers with a lot more flexibility in where they work. Some able to work fully remote from out of the area, some able to work hybrid and customize their schedule to their personal lifestyle. Some like my engineer able to spend 3 months working out of a trailer touring the US other taking a sabbatical to pursue personal interest. W2 base salaries ringing in between 165k-200k+, 5 weeks of paid PTO...some companies with eveey other Friday off. Stock grants or stock option grants...bonus , plus full medical/dental/vision for family including Ortho... And a 4-6% 401k match.....my how things have changed for salaried techies.....lol.
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