Back to lockdown we go...

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Submitted by Coronita on July 13, 2020 - 6:59pm

Indoor retail closing again.

Schools not going to open for the first half of this year...at least.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 13, 2020 - 8:25pm.

We are really tired of no bookstores

Submitted by kcal09 on July 13, 2020 - 9:18pm.

Trump & his administration are responsible for our lack of preparedness & now he lies.

1.. Trump shut down the entire Global Health Security and Bio-defense agency. Yes, he did.

2.. In 2018 Trump fired Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossart, whose job was to coordinate a response to global pandemics. He was not replaced.

3.. In 2018 Dr. Luciana Borio, the NSC director for medical and bio-defense preparedness left the job.. Trump did not replace Dr. Borio.

4.. In 2018, at Trump’s direction, the CDC stopped funding epidemic prevention activities in 39 out of 49 countries including China.

5.. In 2019 the NSC’s Senior Director for Global Health Security and bio-defense, Rear Admiral Tim Ziemer, left the position and Trump did not replace him.

6.. Amid the explosive worldwide outbreak of the virus Trump proposed a 19% cut to the budget of the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention plus a 10% cut to Public Health Services and a 7% cut to Global Health Services. Those happen to be the organizations that respond to public health threats.

7.. Trump declined to use the World Health Organization’s test like other nations.. Back in January, over a month before the first Co-vid19 case in the U.S., the Chinese posted a new mysterious virus and within a week, Berlin virologists had produced the first diagnostic test.. By the end of February, the WHO had shipped out tests to 60 countries.. Oh, but not our government.. We declined the test even as a temporary bridge until the CDC could create its own test.. The question is why?. We don’t know but what to look for is which pharmaceutical company eventually manufactures the test and who owns the stock.. Keep tuned.

8.. Trump didn’t appoint a doctor to oversee the US response to the pandemic. He appointed Mike Pence.

9.. Trump has on multiple occasions sowed doubt about the severity of the virus even using the word HOAX at events and rallies. He even did it at an event where the virus was being spread. Trump has put out zero useful information concerning the health risks of the virus.

10.. Trump pretended the virus had been contained.

Submitted by ocrenter on July 14, 2020 - 6:36am.

Writing was on the wall. Not sure why Newsom allowed the counties to decide for themselves so quickly. That’s 58 counties all competing with each other open up to “help the economy”.

People need to realize with this virus, freedom is earned through social distancing, universal masking, contacting tracing, mandatory quarantine with enforcement, and tight control at all ports of entry.

As for the economy, we get a booming economy if we get the virus under control, see above measures.

There is no short cut. Patriots have always said, “freedom isn’t free”. With this virus, these words are truer than ever.

Submitted by Coronita on July 14, 2020 - 9:24am.

The irony to this is that even when the malls opened not many people were shopping. I was over at UTC shortly after it opened and while there were people walking around, not many people were going inside stores to buy anything even with the deep discounts. The exception was the apple store, but that was about it.

Submitted by sdrealtor on July 14, 2020 - 9:40am.

I was there last year and that was my experience also. Traditional mall retail has been having a tough go at it for years

Submitted by outtamojo on July 14, 2020 - 11:34am.

So even more stimulus and more asset inflation more stock ramp?

Submitted by spdrun on July 14, 2020 - 12:24pm.

Why were Californians (government and people) so focused on whining about open beaches and parks early in the lockdown? Maybe if they had allowed more outdoor recreation opportunities, there wouldn't have been such a clamor to reopen indoor venues as quickly as possible. There wasn't good science in favor of outdoor transmission ... it looks like the Northeastern model (not much enforcement of outdoor activity, slow, data-driven reopening of indoor activity) is basically vindicated. Also, we're serious about masks -- not sure how serious people in CA are.

Then again, we much have just been lucky or unlucky -- maybe our cities got hit hard enough to create 20-30% immunity. If base R0 is 3.0, that would cut it to about 2 or 2.4 (assuming everyone is equally susceptible and likely to spread it, which may not be the case). Another 50-60% reduction in infectivity from mask use and better hygiene should do the job of lowering R to around 1. Combine this with test-and-trace, and it's much easier to stay below 1 with 20-30% immunity than with 0-10%.

ocrenter: speaking of quarantine, I'd really support requiring airlines to ask for proof of a recent negative (last 48-72 hours, no older) COVID swab before boarding passengers for Northeastern airports, as well as requiring quarantine. The majority of cases in places like NJ are starting to be from imported outbreaks, and most of the hotspots aren't within easy driving/train/bus distance.

We could even randomly check car passengers for proof of recent test and quarantine plans ... there's precedent in the US for this. California has ag inspection stations at its borders to prevent importation of dangerous parasites. A virus is essentially a dangerous, microscopic parasite.

Submitted by ocrenter on July 14, 2020 - 5:46pm.

spdrun wrote:

ocrenter: speaking of quarantine, I'd really support requiring airlines to ask for proof of a recent negative (last 48-72 hours, no older) COVID swab before boarding passengers for Northeastern airports, as well as requiring quarantine. The majority of cases in places like NJ are starting to be from imported outbreaks, and most of the hotspots aren't within easy driving/train/bus distance.

We could even randomly check car passengers for proof of recent test and quarantine plans ... there's precedent in the US for this. California has ag inspection stations at its borders to prevent importation of dangerous parasites. A virus is essentially a dangerous, microscopic parasite.

great in concept. problem is pandemic is so widespread and so many folks clamoring for tests that we now have shortage of plastic swabs and result time gets dragged out to a week.

if someone had activated national defense production act early on regarding all items (reagents, swabs, masks, PPEs) we would have been in good shape. (for example Taiwan added 60 mask assembly lines within a month's time).

anyhow, we are asking patients without symptoms to not test due to supply constrains and excessive delays. all of the medical groups within the county lobbied the county to fall in line on this and the news today is the county has agreed to fall back to no testing of asymptomatics.

what I'm telling asymptomatics who was exposed: assume you have it, quarantine for 2 weeks, take zinc and vit D and aspirin.

Submitted by spdrun on July 14, 2020 - 6:26pm.

^^^ that's actually OK, or at least not awful. If there's a testing requirement, and air passengers can't get tests, it will drastically restrict air travel from infected to "clean" areas. Frankly, I'd support an outright 60-day flight ban to the NE "travel bubble", but that's unlikely to be legal.

It will also encourage government/state governments to ramp up production and purchase of testing materials, since it will start hitting them in the pocket. Hard.

Submitted by Coronita on July 14, 2020 - 6:27pm.

Dr. OCR, if you don't mind sharing if you know...how's the ICU capacity looking in SD thus far?

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 14, 2020 - 7:03pm.

ocrenter wrote:
spdrun wrote:

ocrenter: speaking of quarantine, I'd really support requiring airlines to ask for proof of a recent negative (last 48-72 hours, no older) COVID swab before boarding passengers for Northeastern airports, as well as requiring quarantine. The majority of cases in places like NJ are starting to be from imported outbreaks, and most of the hotspots aren't within easy driving/train/bus distance.

We could even randomly check car passengers for proof of recent test and quarantine plans ... there's precedent in the US for this. California has ag inspection stations at its borders to prevent importation of dangerous parasites. A virus is essentially a dangerous, microscopic parasite.

great in concept. problem is pandemic is so widespread and so many folks clamoring for tests that we now have shortage of plastic swabs and result time gets dragged out to a week.

if someone had activated national defense production act early on regarding all items (reagents, swabs, masks, PPEs) we would have been in good shape. (for example Taiwan added 60 mask assembly lines within a month's time).

anyhow, we are asking patients without symptoms to not test due to supply constrains and excessive delays. all of the medical groups within the county lobbied the county to fall in line on this and the news today is the county has agreed to fall back to no testing of asymptomatics.

what I'm telling asymptomatics who was exposed: assume you have it, quarantine for 2 weeks, take zinc and vit D and aspirin.

I bought a sr citizen daily pill dispenser to make sure I get my daily vit d and b12. Its plastic with days of the week. My wife thinks its dumb. I love it .

I know its not definitely helpful but im very hypnotizable and suggestible and the placebo effect is extremely powerful, esp 4 me. Plus vit d levels are good to keep up anyway

I guess maybe ill throw in some zinc too. I forgot zinc!!!

The dispenser really keeps me on track, i forget with just bottles. I throw in random pills a few times a week. A garlic . A calcium. A multi. Vit some resveratrol. The occasional turmeric. Its like a little surprise box.

I 100 % believe vit d will help protect me

Submitted by ocrenter on July 14, 2020 - 7:59pm.

Coronita wrote:
how's the ICU capacity looking in SD thus far?

Depends.

Sharp and Scripps have been at above capacity at their Chula Vista campuses forever due to their county uninsured obligation, patients driving across the border straight to those ERs continue. Lots of diversion to their other hospitals across the county.

Other health systems not impacted at this time. Most are taking in transfers from heavily impacted locations such as Imperial and San Bernardino.

Submitted by ocrenter on July 14, 2020 - 8:03pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:

I 100 % believe vit d will help protect me

Population study of British Africans showing overall poor prognosis despite equal access to NHS. Commonality is all of them are severely deficient of vit D (darker complexion in always cloudy UK).

Submitted by outtamojo on July 15, 2020 - 11:20am.

In the middle of a pandemic,withdrew from WHO, CDC sidelined..we are stuck
with amateurs experimenting on pandemic fighting. This is like replacing Michael Jordan with a middle school gym teacher because he lost a few games. This generation will be looked upon as epically stupid.

Submitted by kcal09 on July 15, 2020 - 9:13pm.

Category

Previous Day's COVID Conversions to COVID Confirmed

Hospital COVID-19 Positive Patients

Hospital Suspected COVID-19 Patients

Sharp System

Mary Birch

0

0

0

Sharp Memorial

1

31

16

Grossmont

6

42

9

Coronado

1

6

0
Chula Vista

7

51

13

Total

15

130

38

Submitted by kcal09 on July 18, 2020 - 6:12pm.

The real problem in this whole pandemic was the absolute lack of any real leadership from the White House. The President’s sole interest was, and continues to be his re-election. Consequently, he conducted this pandemic by buck passing and scapegoating. It didn’t work and it isn’t working now. Doctor Birx may be a competent expert but she continuously treated the President with the obsequiousness he demands, never really telling the whole story, or emphasizing the seriousness of the situation. Dr. Fauchi was the only one who persisted in telling the truth. Now, Trump and his cohorts are trying to vilify Fauchi, who has worked for 6 presidents, both Republican and Democrat. Now Trump is trying hard to pretend that everything is fine. He won’t wear a mask or advise others to wear a mask. He won’t social distance and he doesn’t want tests. Many Republican governors, Trump clones all, do the same. Meantime cases and deaths are rising.

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