Atlanta

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Submitted by kev374 on September 15, 2014 - 8:37am

Considering a move to Atlanta, job will pay the same as here and has good career growth prospects. I don't know much about the city. Any opinions on how the city compares to LA?

I know it does not have the glit and glamor of LA, or the beaches, or the terrific weather etc. in that sense it's a bit of a downgrade but it's substantially cheaper to live there while pay being the same! Could be a reasonable compromise.

As for the humidity, I grew up in the tropics, in a city with more humidity than ATL so I think i'll manage and i'm told it's only a problem between Jul-Sep.

Submitted by spdrun on September 15, 2014 - 9:35am.

If you're comfortable in L.A., why move? As long as you get paid enough to live comfortably, "career growth" is an overrated concept, unless you're growing your OWN business or doing something genuinely good for mankind.

It's used to keep cattle moving to suboptimal situations with the dogs biting at their heels. Imagine cows ganging up, refusing to move, and kicking the cowboys in the junque...

If one were to move for work, they should do so to a place that's genuinely interesting. Parts of Europe or Latin America come to mind, not humid-lanta.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 15, 2014 - 9:39am.

Atlanta is in the Deep South.

But home is where you make it. I prefer some cities over others, but there are always aspects I like of every city.

I personally would move in a heartbeat for a good job. Make money and then move away, if you want. Depends what the financial rewards are.

I don't particularly like Vegas, but I moved because of no state income taxes and the opportunity to invest at the bottom. But I like the bling of Vegas -- the celebrity restaurants, etc...

Submitted by The-Shoveler on September 15, 2014 - 10:04am.

I want to encourage everyone to move out of Socal, You may not ever be able to move back but please go.

Submitted by desmond on September 15, 2014 - 10:31am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
I want to encourage everyone to move out of Socal, You may not ever be able to move back but please go.

What a jerk. Your are a good reason to move.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on September 15, 2014 - 10:56am.

I may have been a bit sarcastic but what I said is the truth, most people I have known who have moved, wished they could move back but they could not and not because of just being priced out, But Because after about 10 years you get stuck.

I was just pointing it out in a very direct way.

Submitted by spdrun on September 15, 2014 - 11:31am.

Desmond: lighten up, man, have a sense of humour.
The-Shoveler: why sell one's old place when moving vs keeping it as a rental? If you like a town, going back there once in a while isn't much trouble.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on September 15, 2014 - 12:36pm.

That is an option, but it is still a lot easier said than done unless you are single and don’t have school age kids.

Kids make friends, spouse gets a good Job, BAM!!!

STUCK.

Submitted by spdrun on September 15, 2014 - 1:22pm.

Kids can move. It's good for them not to be tied to one place like potted plants.

Submitted by UCGal on September 15, 2014 - 1:50pm.

I moved to Atlanta for a job. It was not a good fit. Atlanta is, indeed, deep south in many ways. Confederate flags and gun-racks in pickups.

They say the weather is moderate - that means hot and sweaty in the summer requiring 100% air conditioning, and cold/frosty in the winter - freezing rain, snow, sleet, frozen pipes. And the locals do not know how to drive if there is snow/ice/sleet. Schools shut down for a week because of 2 inches of snow the time I was there.

It's also high crime. Maybe this has changed, but it was definitely high crime when I was there. My car was broken into twice in the less than 4 months I lived there. I talked to coworkers, and they told me the "trick" was to leave your car unlocked so the thieves didn't have to break the window to get in and steal your stuff. In other words - there will be thieves... but you can limit the damage they cause. I also had a package stolen off my front porch, and what I suspect would have turned into a mugging if my neighbor hadn't come out. I lived a few blocks from Piedmont park - in an expensive area.

My biggest issue was the two-faced sugary sweetness they call southern hospitality. If you're perceived as a yankee - they won't like you. They will be SWEET to your face, while stabbing you in the back.

In CA we vapidly wish each other "have a nice day" - but we kind of mean it. It's superficial, but not mean. There, you worry about poison in the sweet tea if they're nice to you. They are sweet to your face, but mean behind your back. It's hard to describe, but tangible.

I've lived in 4 states (CA, WA, PA, and GA). I got along great, socially in the other 3... but GA was too much for me...

Just one woman's experience.

Submitted by XBoxBoy on September 15, 2014 - 1:50pm.

You don't say too much about the job you would be moving for and from my experience that's the critical thing. If you think you will learn new skills which will lead to opportunities in the future, move. If on the other hand the job is just a small step up, or worse, sideways, then I don't see a compelling reason to move.

Just my 2cents.

XboxBoy

Submitted by njtosd on September 15, 2014 - 2:55pm.

The-Shoveler wrote:
That is an option, but it is still a lot easier said than done unless you are single and don’t have school age kids.

Kids make friends, spouse gets a good Job, BAM!!!

STUCK.

Or this possibility, which happened to us: we moved from CA to NJ for a great job. Kids didn't like it from the moment we got there. They kind of got used to it but were less interested in making friends because we knew we were moving back - eventually. Not great for the resume to jump around, so we stayed for four years - and none of us remember it fondly. The only good part is that, by luck, we sold and bought in CA at a high and low in the market, respectively.

Submitted by desmond on September 16, 2014 - 6:30am.

Some lame reasoning not to move so far:
"Have a nice day"
"Friends want to move back, but can't"- (actually this is good reason to move-it proves it is too expensive in the first place)

I encourage anybody to improve their life and if moving does that than move. After you live in a place you become so used to everything that you can't see (or don't want to see) what is going on. California is just not worth it, at least if you are young and willing to put the effort in to better yourself. I loved California, but after moving I have really seen what it is like to live elsewhere and just how much better your life can be.

Submitted by svelte on September 16, 2014 - 6:42am.

desmond wrote:
Some lame reasoning not to move so far:
"Have a nice day"
"Friends want to move back, but can't"- (actually this is good reason to move-it proves it is too expensive in the first place)

I've remained quiet on your move to Texas so as not to rain on your parade, but since you've seen fit to insult fellow posters I'll change that rule.

Texas sucks. I know. I've lived there.

Hotter than hell, humidity that forced me to take 2 showers a day, the stench of slaughterhouses and cow shit everywhere, dozens or hundreds of miles between any two places you want to go, and bible-thumping self-righteous nosy do-gooders in every other house.

Like you, my first year there was enjoyable. It was something new and novel. It was fun meeting new people, new customs, and loved that Texas drawl on the females.

But all that wore off within two years and I wanted out. It took several more years to make that a reality, but I eventually was able to sling myself into Northern Calif where I met my beautiful wife and the rest, as they say, is history. Steve Miller was right: the girls are indeed warm in Northern California.

Submitted by Coronita on September 16, 2014 - 6:57am.

The one thing I absolutely can't stand about CA...

The idiotic, bureaucratic CARB rules....

Submitted by desmond on September 16, 2014 - 7:11am.

I guess you did not have a few thousand acres of land, a lake house, oil and gas wells, rental homes, another new gas well on the way and a great family in Texas. Too bad, Svelte. It is raining today but no parade. No need to show your anger, watch this you might calm down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWNi4xfZ...

Submitted by The-Shoveler on September 16, 2014 - 7:46am.

flu wrote:
The one thing I absolutely can't stand about CA...

The idiotic, bureaucratic CARB rules....

LOL, having to spend several hundred dollars fixing smog equipment on a otherwise great running car is the only thing that has ever made me feel like leaving CA LOL.

I can't wait until we get fuel cell's or low coast functional electric cars.

Submitted by spdrun on September 16, 2014 - 7:52am.

Get a pre-1997 diesel. Problem solved, no smog test required. And Mercedes made some damn nice cars in the early 90s that would last forever :)

Submitted by UCGal on September 16, 2014 - 8:06am.

desmond wrote:
Some lame reasoning not to move so far:
"Have a nice day"
"Friends want to move back, but can't"- (actually this is good reason to move-it proves it is too expensive in the first place)

I encourage anybody to improve their life and if moving does that than move. After you live in a place you become so used to everything that you can't see (or don't want to see) what is going on. California is just not worth it, at least if you are young and willing to put the effort in to better yourself. I loved California, but after moving I have really seen what it is like to live elsewhere and just how much better your life can be.

Wow. I have lived in 4 states. I'm obviously not afraid to move. I did well in a few other states... but not in Georia. I think I stated that in my post - that WA state and PA state were fine. But something about Georgia was very hard to adjust for me. Perhaps it was the being the victim of crime 4 times in less than 4 months. Perhaps it was the fairly surface level racism. Or perhaps it was the sweetness/backstabbing. I presented a viewpoint.

I'm not suggesting Kev not move... I'm suggesting he has his eyes wide open before he makes a move.

But if you want to call me lame... that's your right.

Have a nice day. :)

Submitted by Coronita on September 16, 2014 - 8:30am.

spdrun wrote:
Get a pre-1997 diesel. Problem solved, no smog test required. And Mercedes made some damn nice cars in the early 90s that would last forever :)

Uh, no....

Submitted by Coronita on September 16, 2014 - 8:38am.

I'd take silicon valley over georgia anyday...If you still care that much about your career and you are a techie and you are single, that's the direction I'd personally go...Planning ahead. Companies always look great on paper for the first few months or even a year...The question is, what are you going to do IF it doesn't work out and you want to move out... In the Valley, if you can't stand X, you walk your resume over to Y, and you can probably get a better position/comp package for doing so....Even if you haven't stayed put for more than a year, it generally isn't frowned upon, because everyone does it too.

Much less here in SD...And even more so in Georgia....

If you're gonna go through the trouble of relocating, I'd try up north first..I'd even stretch to say that if you're single and a techie and don't have property here in SD, the choice between Silicon Valley and SD is also a no brainer...

Submitted by spdrun on September 16, 2014 - 8:59am.

Uh, no....

VW also made diesels that were smog-exempt if that floats your boat...

Submitted by Coronita on September 16, 2014 - 9:03am.

spdrun wrote:

Uh, no....

VW also made diesels that were smog-exempt if that floats your boat...

Can't mod oil burners

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 16, 2014 - 9:04am.

flu wrote:
The one thing I absolutely can't stand about CA...

The idiotic, bureaucratic CARB rules....

California was the leader in clean air. In fact, the EPA eventually adopted California rules, as have other states who implemented smog programs.

The rules are made for everybody. If you don't like them, put your car on non-op and make it a track car.

I'm sure people remember the polluted air back in in the 80s and before. Smog alerts all the time. LA was almost like Beijing. The air cleared up in the 90s.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on September 16, 2014 - 9:12am.

Most the Smog in L.A. in the 70-80's was from dirty industry (not the cars) manufacturing etc...

Most all that move out during the 90's (A lot of it ended up in Georgia LOL).

I second the Bay Area if your single and have no ties.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 16, 2014 - 9:22am.

The-Shoveler wrote:

I second the Bay Area if your single and have no ties.

Unless he works for an institution that provides good benefits and employment security.

I have young relative who works for a major university in the midwest as a techie. He's not money hungry to seek out the go-go environment of Silicon Valley. In the mean time, he enjoys the relaxed work hours, biking to campus, and plenty of vacation time.

Submitted by Coronita on September 16, 2014 - 9:37am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
flu wrote:
The one thing I absolutely can't stand about CA...

The idiotic, bureaucratic CARB rules....

California was the leader in clean air. In fact, the EPA eventually adopted California rules, as have other states who implemented smog programs.

The rules are made for everybody. If you don't like them, put your car on non-op and make it a track car.

I'm sure people remember the polluted air back in in the 80s and before. Smog alerts all the time. LA was almost like Beijing. The air cleared up in the 90s.

It is entirely possible to pass a sniff test but still fail carb because of stupid rules.

But what is going to be even more fun is watching a lot of you going in for the post MY2002 cars smog checks.....

Basically, those tests will require only an OBDII link, and if your ECU ends up throwing any CEL's (even if it isn't directly related to emissions), you might end up failing the smog test anyway even without a sniff check.. It's not a problem for folks with OBDII scanners that can simply reset whatever fault codes or folks that have a custom flashed ECU that can do whatever to the ECU.... But it will be very very interesting to see what it does to the average person who doesn't have that ability......

Submitted by Coronita on September 16, 2014 - 9:52am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
The-Shoveler wrote:

I second the Bay Area if your single and have no ties.

Unless he works for an institution that provides good benefits and employment security.

I have young relative who works for a major university in the midwest as a techie. He's not money hungry to seek out the go-go environment of Silicon Valley. In the mean time, he enjoys the relaxed work hours, biking to campus, and plenty of vacation time.

employment "security" is a myth.. And it's definitely a "myth" for someone just joining a company...except maybe if you work for the government.

The days of good benefits are over, and besides obamacare takes care of everything, so a company's health plan is not really a selling point these days :)... Especially, if you're young, single, and healthy, unlazy and motivated...

Heck, Texas is better than Georgia, because Texas actually does have a mini-silicon valley on some of the burbs..

So, like a I said, go for the Silicon Valley tech companies that offers the stock and stock options, pay your dues, and reap the benefits......Because at the end of the day, the color of money all looks the same anyway, and let's face it...One wouldn't be "considering to relocate to georgia for a better career" if money wasn't one of the many motivating factors...People don't work for free and take on more responsibility for free...unless one got RIFed and is desperately looking for income...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 16, 2014 - 9:53am.

Flu. I own a service station in CA.

You cannot reset the ECU to pass smog. The whole drive cycle needs to run for your car to pass smog. The newer cars now sent the VIN when you plug in.

The new rules were negotiated with auto manufacturers who want their customers to have a good consumer experience (easy smog).

The benefit is that new cars are perfectly clean, expect for the CO2 of course. Compare to the polluting old cars of past.

Submitted by spdrun on September 16, 2014 - 10:23am.

What about the Northeast, New England or NJ/NYC? Still plenty of fork-lost (stick a fork in 'em, babeh! -- owing to judicial foreclosure taking 3-4 years) properties that can be picked up relatively cheap, interesting people, good outdoor sports if you're into them, generally intelligent and interesting people, sizable tech industry in Boston and around NYC.

Not as overheated and prone to bubble and bust as the Bay Area, either.

Submitted by Coronita on September 16, 2014 - 9:58am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Flu. I own a service station in CA.

You cannot reset the ECU to pass smog. The whole drive cycle needs to run for your car to pass smog. The newer cars now sent the VIN when you plug in.

The new rules were negotiated with auto manufacturers who want their customers to have a good consumer experience (easy smog).

The benefit is that new cars are perfectly clean, expect for the CO2 of course. Compare to the polluting old cars of past.

Funny, because my ECU and OBD connector allows me to do just that. How do you think all the tuners flash their custom ROMs onto the ECU? :) Not that I would suggest anyone do it... But at least as a theoretical exercise, it's been done...

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