As a renter, the good times just keep on rolling...

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Submitted by marion on December 19, 2007 - 12:04pm

There is probably more than one mouse living in my garage and I'm pretty pissed. I first noticed a mouse was in my garage a few months back when I saw it's disgusting droppings on our boxes of stuff. Eew! Anyway, then I saw one run out while me and my son were utilizing our storage. Ok, so we set some traps and we caught one. It was small-Thank God. So, I thought ok, maybe no more problems. Then I go in my garage today and saw one.

Ok, I talked to the owner in Oct. and told him there are mice in my garage. I explained to him that we don't have a lot of junk in our garage and it is clean. We have stuff neatly packed in newer boxes. We don't eat in there, we don't live in there, we don't entertain in there. One time I left an empty Starbuck's frappachino cup in there, but that's about it. No food. We've never eaten in there.

So, how in the f*ck did a mouse/mice get in my garage??

Now, the deviant next door neighbors have had trash stacked on the side of their house, outside of their trash cans at times. Not all the time, but more than I would think is acceptable to the homeowner's association. I would guess the damn mice came from them.

Ok, so I asked the owner to get rid of them. He says no because according to him, they are field mice and they are just "around". He told me to take care of it myself.

I'm thinking maybe there's a crack/hole in the garage foundation? whose fault is it? Is the owner responsible? If so, I'm going to demand he do something about this. I rent in an upscale community, I see no reason I should have to put up with this. If he refuses to fix this, I'm so done with this place. I know some of you on here own rental property, so does the owner have to fix this??

Submitted by Navydoc on December 22, 2007 - 11:54am.

I'm going to keep this thread alive for yet one more comment. I can't believe I left for 2 days and this thread continues.

Marion, and for those whom I offended with my comment, I am sincerely sorry. My intention with my very sarcastic comment was not to offend, but to illustrate a hyperbole. It did not have the effect I desired, and for that I apologize. I really shouldn't flame-post, I don't have the stomach for it. Right after I hit the post comment key I felt a little bad about it.

The reason I'm posting this comment is to address something I've noticed with this board in the past couple of months. I've been pretty active here for about 8 months and the theme and tone of the board has changed substantially. I think I'm beginning to see why. Could it be that it's becoming less relevant? When I found this board about a year ago I felt as if I was a voice alone in the wilderness, claiming the real estate market was doomed. This board was a place where nobody thought I was a nutter, and it made me feel comfortable. Now that everyone's talking about the real estate bubble/collapse they don't think I'm crazy anymore. Maybe so-called normal people have found this site and the tone has changed as a result.

I genuinely hope this is not the case, as I love reading this board and its links, and this new hobby of blogging allows me some time away from the medical journals.

In case I don't post again over the holiday break, I wish everyone a Happy Holidays.

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 1:20pm.

Flu: "Alright, everyone go to your corner.

Happy Holidays!"

Happy Holidays, flu!

Navydoc, you were out of line, but I didn't get the sense that you intended to be vicious, so I'll forgive ya this time. I know you need to let your hair down after boring yourself with all the medical journals, but next time watch the "potty" mouth, sir. :) Merry Christmas!

Submitted by deadzone on December 22, 2007 - 1:47pm.

Navydoc, you hit the nail on the head. For the most part this site is now irrelevant, apart from some occasional contributions from Rich.

Basically all the housing doom and gloom that was predicted on this board two years ago is now coming to frution, and it is all out there in the mainstream news now. I guess now the housing crash is all the rage on the MSN, it is no longer very interesting.

Submitted by Bugs on December 22, 2007 - 1:48pm.

FTR, I don't think that a person who drops the F-bomb into the initiation of a thread on this forum has any room to be either taking offense or doling out "forgiveness" to anyone who comes back with a "wipe your ass" comment. NavyDoc's comment is something we'd hear on network TV during prime time every day of the week. As I understand it, "ass" isn't one of the seven deadly words.

As Sgt. Hulka said, "Lighten up, Francis."

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 1:55pm. comment wasn't directed at another poster, though. Don't act like you don't understand the difference.

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 5:38pm.

Submitted by asianautica on December 22, 2007 - 3:24am.

"Size 6, and you think people are jealous of you? Wow. Please try again when you wear a 00 petite."

This one gave me a chuckle. Asianautica, if you are a woman, assuming you are indeed a size 6, (or someone you know is) can you/they be seen by the naked eye when turned sideways?

Naw, I don't envy the size 00 petite. Emanciated and sunk-in comes to mind.

Different strokes, I guess...

Submitted by an on December 22, 2007 - 5:46pm.

exactly, different stroke for different folks. Yet, you assume everyone is jealous of your size 6.

Not all size 6 are busted and not all size 00 are flat chested either.

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 6:03pm.

Asianautica, As far as the jealousy issue, I was talking about the women on here who have attacked, who are overweight which means larger than my petite size 6....They have made it an issue, which indicates they are jealous.

asianautica: "Not all size 6 are busted and not all size 00 are flat chested either."

Dearest, a size 00 petite won't have a nice-sized bust, that's for sure.

But, more importantly, show me a size 00 petite with an ASS and I'll show you a purple dinosaur...

A normal man doesn't like to grab onto bones...Know what I'm saying?

Submitted by NotCranky on December 22, 2007 - 6:18pm.
Submitted by novice1027 on December 22, 2007 - 6:33pm.

I wanna know did the guy on the bronco have on assless chaps? Or was that just wishful thinking on my part :)

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 6:41pm.

novice, the guy on the bronco was GAY. lol.

Not very entertaining. I prefer something a little more hip-hop than Cher gyrating around with two gay guys singing country music.

Submitted by an on December 22, 2007 - 6:41pm.

thank you for stereotyping men. Sorry to burst your bubble but we like all different shape and sizes.

Submitted by 2Buy-or-Not2Buy on December 22, 2007 - 6:42pm.

On a positive note, my wife and I have been able to use Marion's various posts as a lesson to my daughter about what happens to people who are unable to take care of themselves. I showed my daughter the first message that Marion posted complaining about her husband reducing alimony support to her, along with the most recent post about not being able to deal with a mouse. For some reason, Marion has been unable to get a job "in her field yet" also known as "still does not have a real job" despite the fact that she has a 15 year old child, so she is no spring chicken. I also used the examples Marion posted about her appearance and ability to make great pot roast and cookies as examples of her desperate trolling for a new mate, so that she never has to grow up. So, Marion, on behalf of parents everywhere, I say "thank you".

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 6:47pm.


I know I need to leave this alone...but, if you like grabbing onto "bones", like I said different strokes, however, if given a choice, most men would prefer at least a little bit of meat. "More cushion for the pushing" was how I heard it explained.

Let's be honest here, with a size 00 there's really nothing there...

Me, I'm perfectly happy with my size 6. I've gotten no complaints thus far. Thank You.

Submitted by an on December 22, 2007 - 6:50pm.

sorry to burst your bubble again, but I'd take a woman with a kind heart and good personality over a hot body any day of the week. I'd guess most men would agree.

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 6:54pm.

2 buy, your post is pretty pathetic to be honest. I am a substitute teacher awaiting a position in my field. I'm sorry if you don't view that as a "real job". Shame on you. Did you know that substitute teachers have to be educated at the Bachelor's level.

Submitted by 2Buy-or-Not2Buy on December 22, 2007 - 6:42pm.

"I also used the examples Marion posted about her appearance and ability to make great pot roast and cookies as examples of her desperate trolling for a new mate, so that she never has to grow up. So, Marion, on behalf of parents everywhere, I say "thank you".

You're assuming too much. I'm at home with my two children tonight. I don't need to go into my private life, but suffice it to say I can get a date any night of the week if I wanted. It's the truth. I'm talking about quality men too.

About the child support, it's the law, although a lot of men wish it weren't. Sorry.

To sum it up, 2buy, your post is just plain stupid.

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 6:56pm.

Submitted by asianautica on December 22, 2007 - 6:50pm.

"sorry to burst your bubble again, but I'd take a woman with a kind heart and good personality over a hot body any day of the week. I'd guess most men would agree."

Asianautica, why not have both? If you can that is...

Suffice it to say, you couldn't have burst my bubble. There was no bubble to burst.

Submitted by NotCranky on December 22, 2007 - 7:31pm.

Had I intended to be entertaining that is the last thing I would have posted. I thought it was a good analogy for what comes to mind with regard to the your participation so far on this blog. Sadly, I have learned new things about "needy", mainly that it is a self perpetuating kind of experience..I do wish you,and everybody else, well though.

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 8:15pm.

I don't think I'm being that needy Rustico. However, you're entitled to your opinion. If I HAD to, I'd take care of the mice problem myself-which would include hiring someone to do it. The point it, I don't think I should have to. I think that responsibility rests on the owner.

You want to talk about needy. Take a look at the women who marry to gain a working husband, house and babies. Who have no desire or skills to make a go of it alone. That's what I would call needy. Perhaps you and I differ somewhat in how we define that word.

At any rate, Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Submitted by novice1027 on December 22, 2007 - 9:52pm.

I din't say I wanted to sleep with the guy with the chaps. I was just making a comment on what I thought I saw. It looked like he had bare buns, gay or not, they looked nice.
End of story. Nothing more to be read into it.

Submitted by CDMA ENG on December 23, 2007 - 11:02am.


Here is a comment that I originally made on this thread. Once again I would like to post it because I was serious about get a response...

"I will try to take this from the realm of the frivalous to the serious. I am "newer" to the valley and have lived numerous years in Phoenix. I am terrified of mice! Not because it is a mouse but because of the Hantavirus!

Do you guys not have deaths from this? Every year Arizona would report 5 to 10 deaths from this and these poor people died painful, slow deaths. Most of them had no idea there was mice around.

And does the land-lord have any liablity in this if it has been identified by the renter and there is a sickness or death?

Thanks for the answer in advance, and have a wonderful holiday."

I was hopeping that someone like SD Realtor or someone else in the industry would have a answer to this...

Take care,


Submitted by NotCranky on December 23, 2007 - 11:50am.

Yes I guess it is potentially serious. Risk is related to frequency and intensity of exposure. It seems that most people taking average precautions and maintaining normal household cleanliness will be fine.Setting traps and cleaning up a bit doesn't constitute a huge risk. That is why there is no panic in the streets. As far as real estate goes a rodent infestation would normally create the responsibility of a disclosure on the TDS. There is not a standard notice for risks and liabilities related to the topic that I know of.

As far as a landlord responsibility I would say that a landlord who did not respond to a written request to deal with a mouse could be liable in civil court for illnesses or death that resulted from a failure to act. I am not a lawyer it is just my perception that a court would favor the tenant.

I have been a landlord and if I were notified of discomfort a tenant had with a mouse I would intervene because I understand we don't all have the same stomach for things. I think I would like to have the property sealed off, I know the house I live in won't be a welcoming place for mice. I wouldn't expect tenants to be easy targets. If I thought their habits were the cause of the infestation I would probably send them packing.

One area where rodents often get in is under the garage doors both the big one and the smaller side door. Weather stripping on the bottom of the doors can help prevent it. Many people leave the doors open for extended perios of times so they come in anyway.Once in the grage the find a way to the kitchen or pantry. Houses with crawl spaces are a little more difficult to keep pest free too. It is never a big deal if someone wants to get after it though.

Submitted by marion on December 23, 2007 - 1:44pm.

Well, well, well...I feel pretty vindicated.

Rustico, I argued from the very beginning that it was the landlord's responsibility to get rid of what was proven to be more than one rodent.

So, what was all your talk about how "needy" I was?

Submitted by CDMA ENG on December 24, 2007 - 7:54am.


Thanks Rustico.

Anyway else?



Submitted by NotCranky on December 24, 2007 - 10:59am.

Anyway else?

I am not sure what you are asking?

Submitted by CDMA ENG on December 25, 2007 - 12:09am.



Sorry man. I should get in the habit of typing this in word first and spell checking it.

I meant to say anyone else...

I was looking for other opinions.

I did appericaite your commentary.


Submitted by VoZangre on December 25, 2007 - 5:11pm.


I think Marion is entitled to marry an exterminator.

ciao for now...


Submitted by RatherOpinionated on December 25, 2007 - 5:58pm.

CDMA you can always try TDMA or GSM.

Submitted by mixxalot on December 25, 2007 - 10:17pm.

Get a cat

I grew up on a farm and we had plenty of problems with mice and rats. Our dogs and cats did a pretty good job on keeping the rodent problem in check. That and traps are best bet.

This has been quite a funny thread! I think that Marion and NavyDoc need to get a room and work out their differences!!!
Too funny you guys!

Submitted by VoZangre on December 25, 2007 - 11:31pm.

You Tube...

I can see it now...

Navy Nurse and Marion mudwrestling,

a mouse comes in and scares Marion out of her bathing suit... ( revealing her self analysis to be scarily and egregiously positively skewed)

Temecula guy, posing as her landlord comes in, clobbers the mouse with one swipe of an empty sub $10 bottle of napa Cab and wipes her ass gallantly...

she hits him over the head with her handy ten foot pole, screaming " I'll emasculate you, you Real-Estate-bear. damn no goodnik!" and storms off screen muttering and crying about how many trolls
she'll have to kiss before she finds her One True Love...

ciao for now...


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