Are you f-ing kidding me ? Cali paying cash to illegal immigrants.

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Submitted by sdduuuude on April 15, 2020 - 7:25pm

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/apr/15/co...

article wrote:
California will give cash payments to immigrants living in the country illegally, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Wednesday, using a mix of taxpayer money and charitable contributions to give 150,000 adults $500 each during the coronavirus outbreak.

I just can't even imagine why. This is just wrong. Taking from taxpayers in one country to give to people who aren't taxpayers from another country. It just is ethically wrong.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 15, 2020 - 7:38pm.

Makes perfect sense to me. $500 is just a small tiny token of our appreciation for all the work that they do.
Btw, 40% is coming from private donations.

Submitted by sdduuuude on April 15, 2020 - 8:54pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Makes perfect sense to me. $500 is just a small tiny token of our appreciation for all the work that they do.
Btw, 40% is coming from private donations.

The appreciation they get for the work they do is THE MONEY PEOPLE PAY THEM FOR THE WORK THEY DO.

I take no issue with the 40%. It's the $75 million in taxpayer money that is beyond offensive. As bad as anything Trump has done, well - except for claiming Absolute Power.

Submitted by outtamojo on April 15, 2020 - 9:15pm.

Relax this is peanuts compared to what will be siphoned off under the table from the stimulus/socialism package.

Submitted by spdrun on April 15, 2020 - 10:19pm.

So instead of spending half a trillion a year murdering people in countries not worth our time, we'd be spending money on healthcare, education, infrastructure, and other nice things? if that's socialism, count me in.

Submitted by sdduuuude on April 15, 2020 - 11:30pm.

spdrun wrote:
So instead of spending half a trillion a year murdering people in countries not worth our time, we'd be spending money on healthcare, education, infrastructure, and other nice things? if that's socialism, count me in.

Being opposed to one of those two does not imply support for the other.

Submitted by outtamojo on April 16, 2020 - 4:35am.

spdrun wrote:
So instead of spending half a trillion a year murdering people in countries not worth our time, we'd be spending money on healthcare, education, infrastructure, and other nice things? if that's socialism, count me in.

Nothing wrong with socialism. In fact, a great thing to have around for those times
When wall st. capitalists cry for a bailout.

Submitted by Hobie on April 16, 2020 - 5:04am.

"said Newsom, who noted 10% of the state's workforce are immigrants living in the country illegally who paid more than $2.5 billion in state and local taxes last year."

And got those taxes back in using the Earned Income Credit ...

"Newsom said the money will not be distributed based on income. "Their personal information will not be required to get those support,"

So the recipients are worried about deportation so they won't have to give their name. Get in line, collect $500, then get back in line....

Wouldn't it be nice if Newsom showed more concern for the middle class who are out of work and pay the lions share of the tax collected.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 16, 2020 - 8:01am.

It seems politically dumb.

I could see like free canned goods if you're starving. B ut $ seems ridiculous. Which voting bloc is in favor of this

Submitted by Coronita on April 16, 2020 - 8:08am.

Hobie wrote:

"Newsom said the money will not be distributed based on income. "Their personal information will not be required to get those support,"

How will this even work? So can I pretend to be undocumented and collect $500? It can't be that easy.

I would be undocumented....I didn't bring any ID prior to picking up a check.

A better plan would be to just hand out $500 to everyone with a california drivers license, realId or not, no income requirement

meh. I don't care. My auto insurance is giving back s rebate check. And people staying home are apparently buying computers. AMD is a $57
after falling to $42. I'm call optioned out again, lol. Please people, remain at home and spend more of that stimulus check!

Submitted by The-Shoveler on April 16, 2020 - 8:09am.

"I would be undocumented....I didn't bring any ID prior to picking up a check."

I am in, where do we go to pick these up LOL.

Just kidding.

Submitted by Coronita on April 16, 2020 - 8:13am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
"I would be undocumented....I didn't bring any ID prior to picking up a check."

I am in, where do we go to pick these up LOL.

Just kidding.

Ive never seen you in person, but demographically I have a feeling they will racially profile you and won't believe you that you are undocumented once they look at you. Me? I could dress to look like I'm fresh off the boat. BUT, I'll tell you what, since maybe I can go multiple times by just changing my hair style, I'll go pick up a check for you, I'll just take a small 10% cut.

Just kidding, sort of.

Submitted by sdduuuude on April 16, 2020 - 10:03am.

Coronita wrote:
I would be undocumented....I didn't bring any ID prior to picking up a check.

I didn't even think of that. Wow. How do you document that you are undocumented ?

Cali: What is your name:
Me: Vladmir Wang Rodriguez
Cali: Hm. We have no record of you. Here is your $500.

Maybe Barnaby should ask for Mortgage Forbearance and this!

Submitted by Coronita on April 16, 2020 - 10:18am.

sdduuuude wrote:
Coronita wrote:
I would be undocumented....I didn't bring any ID prior to picking up a check.

I didn't even think of that. Wow. How do you document that you are undocumented ?

Cali: What is your name:
Me: Vladmir Wang Rodriguez
Cali: Hm. We have no record of you. Here is your $500.

Maybe Barnaby should ask for Mortgage Forbearance and this!

*Ask for $500 EACH time until they run out of money.

*Then ask the accessor's office for a deferral of tax payments saying you have no money.

*Then ask the banks for a mortgage forbearance.

*Don't forget to call SDGE, San Diego Water, and your cell phone company, and say you can't pay your next 3 months bill, and ask for a deferral.

*Top it off by buying a bunch of trees and shrubs at home depot. Plant the news ones, dig up your old ones and return your old ones as the new ones.

*Lunchtime: go to Costco and buy a pizza and free drink, and eat everything except the last slice. Then complain "this isn't a pepperoni pizza, a pepperoni pizza has 5 pepperonis, not 4..." and get a refund on the entire pizza. Don't forget finish the last piece (like last time some lady in front of me did). Don't forget when you go back to costco, to bring back your cup and get a free drink refill.

Hey, maybe we are onto something. We can write a "Freeloading for Dummies" book, lol.

Hey man, not many people can top me when if it really comes down to working/abusing the system. It's in my culture and blood!

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 16, 2020 - 10:27am.

Program does not give directly.

Gives to community leaders who dole it out.

Hmmm...

Submitted by Coronita on April 16, 2020 - 10:35am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Program does not give directly.

Gives to community leaders who dole it out.

Hmmm...

Really? How do you become a "community leader"? Can I become the community leader representing undocumented asians? We'll need this because I seriously doubt if it's handed out to "community leaders" it would be fairly distributed to all undocumented ethicities. I promise to give out whatever is left after I pay myself a $200k+ non-profit CEO salary like so many non-profits do. "Administrative overhead" kinda like the CEO of The College Board. I'm not greedy, I don't need $1million/year compensation like the CEO of the College Board. $200k/year is acceptable for me.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 16, 2020 - 10:31am.

Coronita wrote:
sdduuuude wrote:
Coronita wrote:
I would be undocumented....I didn't bring any ID prior to picking up a check.

I didn't even think of that. Wow. How do you document that you are undocumented ?

Cali: What is your name:
Me: Vladmir Wang Rodriguez
Cali: Hm. We have no record of you. Here is your $500.

Maybe Barnaby should ask for Mortgage Forbearance and this!

*Ask for $500 EACH time until they run out of money.

*Then ask the accessor's office for a deferral of tax payments saying you have no money.

*Then ask the banks for a mortgage forbearance.

*Don't forget to call SDGE, San Diego Water, and your cell phone company, and say you can't pay your next 3 months bill, and ask for a deferral.

*Top it off by buying a bunch of trees and shrubs at home depot. Plant the news ones, dig up your old ones and return your old ones as the new ones.

*Lunchtime: go to Costco and buy a pizza and free drink, and eat everything except the last slice. Then complain "this isn't a pepperoni pizza, a pepperoni pizza has 5 pepperonis, not 4..." and get a refund on the entire pizza. Don't forget finish the last piece (like last time some lady in front of me did). Don't forget when you go back to costco, to bring back your cup and get a free drink refill.

Hey, maybe we are onto something. We can write a "Freeloading for Dummies" book, lol.

Hey man, not many people can top me when if it really comes down to working/abusing the system. It's in my culture and blood!

Theres a famous miles Davis tune called FREDDIE THE FREELOADER. Was just wondering where the title originated:

"According to the documentary Kind of Blue: Made in Heaven, and an anecdote from the jazz pianist Monty Alexander, the song was named after an individual named Freddie who would frequently try to see the music Davis and others performed without paying (thus freeloading).[1][3] The name may have also been inspired by Red Skelton’s most famous character, "Freddie the Freeloader" the hobo clown.[1][2]

Huh.

Miggt be too much effort to really freeload

Submitted by ocrenter on April 17, 2020 - 8:30am.

We spent $133 million for a guy’s golf over the last 3 years. Prospective, people!

Submitted by sdduuuude on April 17, 2020 - 12:05pm.

ocrenter wrote:
We spent $133 million for a guy’s golf over the last 3 years. Prospective, people!

Just because that is wrong doesn't make this not wrong.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 17, 2020 - 2:35pm.

sdduuuude wrote:
ocrenter wrote:
We spent $133 million for a guy’s golf over the last 3 years. Prospective, people!

Just because that is wrong doesn't make this not wrong.

Hold on. 133 million tax dollars so a white man can golf is one thing. That's fucking america, he s our capitalist in chief and he won the right to sponge off us fair and square. That's fine

But $40 million tax dollars so 150000 brown humanoids can eat, and support local business, That is outrageous. That is just unfuckingbelievable. It's a fucking outrage. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Obama too, should not have played golf. Dude was way too dark to be spending tax dollars on golf.

Get that fucking guy off the course. Trump, play thru!

Submitted by sdduuuude on April 17, 2020 - 3:50pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
sdduuuude wrote:
ocrenter wrote:
We spent $133 million for a guy’s golf over the last 3 years. Prospective, people!

Just because that is wrong doesn't make this not wrong.

Hold on. 133 million tax dollars so a white man can golf is one thing. That's fucking america, he s our capitalist in chief and he won the right to sponge off us fair and square. That's fine

But $40 million tax dollars so 150000 brown humanoids can eat, and support local business, That is outrageous. That is just unfuckingbelievable. It's a fucking outrage. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Obama too, should not have played golf. Dude was way too dark to be spending tax dollars on golf.

Get that fucking guy off the course. Trump, play thru!

I think u misread my post. I implied that both are wrong. Not that the golf money was OK and the free money to random foreigners was wrong.

It confuses people when I say I don't like something the Republicans do AND I don't like something the Democrats do.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 17, 2020 - 4:17pm.

sdduuuude wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
sdduuuude wrote:
ocrenter wrote:
We spent $133 million for a guy’s golf over the last 3 years. Prospective, people!

Just because that is wrong doesn't make this not wrong.

Hold on. 133 million tax dollars so a white man can golf is one thing. That's fucking america, he s our capitalist in chief and he won the right to sponge off us fair and square. That's fine

But $40 million tax dollars so 150000 brown humanoids can eat, and support local business, That is outrageous. That is just unfuckingbelievable. It's a fucking outrage. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Obama too, should not have played golf. Dude was way too dark to be spending tax dollars on golf.

Get that fucking guy off the course. Trump, play thru!

I think u misread my post. I implied that both are wrong. Not that the golf money was OK and the free money to random foreigners was wrong.

It confuses people when I say I don't like something the Republicans do AND I don't like something the Democrats do.

I'm not confused. I disagree with you.

The Republican golf bill is NOT WRONG. We have no reason to be irritated one iota by trumps use of tax dollars.

The only thing wrong about the golf bill is that it is TOO LOW.

I would honestly prefer that trump spend 500 million a year on importing Russian whores so he can have a fresh one to piss on every hour than waste ONE FUCKING DIME on a brown undocumented laborer. I mean, wouldnt you?

even if you're not a True American, you surely can see that trumps golf game is morally superior and ethically necessary at the very least compared to feeding brown mud people who shouldn't even be where they are?

Trumps taxpayer golf billmight arguably be wrong, from the point of view of some liberal homosexual socialist deviant, but it is not the clear and obvious ABOMINATION of giving money to illegal human trash, which is WRONG with a capital W, wrong under mans law, under gods law and under every christian, constitutional and moral principle we true patriots believe in, and write outraged posts about.

The first, trump golf fees, is capitalism winning, the second is a grotesque socialist mockery of everything america holds dear to its Christian heart.

Why should trump not have fresh women every hour on the hour, lined up, so when he has to urinate, he can do it in a foreigners mouth, rather than hard, depressing porcelain.

Just The thought that he might be denied even one fresh unpeed upon whore because we diverted 50 cents to a mexican makes me physically ill.

You cannot in good conscience and in the same breath say that a white Republicans 133 million taxpayer golf bill is wrong in the same sense that brown people cash is wrong.

Submitted by sdduuuude on April 17, 2020 - 4:21pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
You cannot in good conscience and in the same breath say that a white Republicans 133 million taxpayer golf bill is wrong in the same sense that brown people cash is wrong.

I absolutely can say that in good conscience, except i would eliminate the words "white" and "brown"

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 17, 2020 - 4:31pm.

sdduuuude wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
You cannot in good conscience and in the same breath say that a white Republicans 133 million taxpayer golf bill is wrong in the same sense that brown people cash is wrong.

I absolutely can say that in good conscience, except i would eliminate the words "white" and "brown"

Maybe, but I never see any posts or fox news editorials that start with:

Are you f-ing kidding me ? Americans paying cash for trumps golf game.

Indeed. It's hard to picture getting worked up in the same way about it as you get worked up about 500 to an ilkegsl.

Honestly: are you equally angry about both, or does the cash 4 Mexicans really bug u more?

Cuz honestly, trumps golf bill riles the living shit out of me, the fucking hypocrisy after criticizing Obama's occasional game. And the cash for illegals is bothersome, but not in the same ballpark.

Submitted by sdduuuude on April 17, 2020 - 4:41pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
sdduuuude wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
You cannot in good conscience and in the same breath say that a white Republicans 133 million taxpayer golf bill is wrong in the same sense that brown people cash is wrong.

I absolutely can say that in good conscience, except i would eliminate the words "white" and "brown"

Maybe, but I never see any posts or fox news editorials that start with:

Are you f-ing kidding me ? Americans paying cash for trumps golf game.

Indeed. It's hard to picture getting worked up in the same way about it as you get worked up about 500 to an ilkegsl.

Honestly: are you equally angry about both, or does the cash 4 Mexicans really bug u more?

Cuz honestly, trumps golf bill riles the living shit out of me, the fucking hypocrisy after criticizing Obama's occasional game. And the cash for illegals is bothersome, but not in the same ballpark.

Seriously, I am equally angry about them. One is blatant abuse of taxpayer money. The other is abuse of taxpay money, disguised as "doing good"

So, which thief is worse, the one who slaps you in the face and takes your wallet or the one who puts your arm around you, comforts you and then pickpockets your wallet all the while you think he is being nice ?

Submitted by sdduuuude on April 17, 2020 - 4:44pm.

sdduuuude wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
sdduuuude wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
You cannot in good conscience and in the same breath say that a white Republicans 133 million taxpayer golf bill is wrong in the same sense that brown people cash is wrong.

I absolutely can say that in good conscience, except i would eliminate the words "white" and "brown"

Maybe, but I never see any posts or fox news editorials that start with:

Are you f-ing kidding me ? Americans paying cash for trumps golf game.

Indeed. It's hard to picture getting worked up in the same way about it as you get worked up about 500 to an ilkegsl.

Honestly: are you equally angry about both, or does the cash 4 Mexicans really bug u more?

Cuz honestly, trumps golf bill riles the living shit out of me, the fucking hypocrisy after criticizing Obama's occasional game. And the cash for illegals is bothersome, but not in the same ballpark.

Seriously, I am equally angry about them. One is blatant abuse of taxpayer money. The other is abuse of taxpay money, disguised as "doing good"

So, which thief is worse, the one who slaps you in the face and takes your wallet or the one who puts your arm around you, comforts you and then pickpockets your wallet all the while you think he is being nice ?

I suppose on a "dollar per thief" level, the Trump one is worse, though.

And my point still stands that "just because I think one is wrong, doesn't mean the other is not wrong" holds true.

Even if they are different "levels", it is not illogical or in consistent to be opposed to both.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 17, 2020 - 4:47pm.

sdduuuude wrote:
sdduuuude wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
sdduuuude wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
You cannot in good conscience and in the same breath say that a white Republicans 133 million taxpayer golf bill is wrong in the same sense that brown people cash is wrong.

I absolutely can say that in good conscience, except i would eliminate the words "white" and "brown"

Maybe, but I never see any posts or fox news editorials that start with:

Are you f-ing kidding me ? Americans paying cash for trumps golf game.

Indeed. It's hard to picture getting worked up in the same way about it as you get worked up about 500 to an ilkegsl.

Honestly: are you equally angry about both, or does the cash 4 Mexicans really bug u more?

Cuz honestly, trumps golf bill riles the living shit out of me, the fucking hypocrisy after criticizing Obama's occasional game. And the cash for illegals is bothersome, but not in the same ballpark.

Seriously, I am equally angry about them. One is blatant abuse of taxpayer money. The other is abuse of taxpay money, disguised as "doing good"

So, which thief is worse, the one who slaps you in the face and takes your wallet or the one who puts your arm around you, comforts you and then pickpockets your wallet all the while you think he is being nice ?

I suppose on a "dollar per thief" level, the Trump one is worse, though.

And my point still stands that "just because I think one is wrong, doesn't mean the other is not wrong" holds true.

Even if they are different "levels", it is not illogical or in consistent to be opposed to both.

You sound like a pretty reasonable consistent dude.

Most Republicans I chat with could give two shits about trumps big golf bill, but would lose their fucking minds over brown people cash, even if it were a total if $500 total tax dollars

Submitted by sdduuuude on April 17, 2020 - 4:57pm.

And just you saying "pay 500 to an illegal" bothers me alot.

I'm not saying I think we should deport all the Mexicans or build the wall or even that they are, philosophically criminals - but the fact of the matter is they have broken the law. The gov is supposed to support and enforce the law of the land and if someone has broken the law, they should be punished by the "law" (aka the government). Not paid. Yes, it is deeply disturbing. Trump golfing, also deeply disturbing.

Lehman Brothers bailout - also deeply disturbing.

Adding on - even a socialist should cringe at this because if you take the US as a society that pays taxes to pool resources for the common good, why would we include those that aren't in the club ? Why wouldn't those funds go to help those in the social group that paid in the money in the first place.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on April 17, 2020 - 5:04pm.

sdduuuude wrote:
And just you saying "pay 500 to an illegal" bothers me alot.

I'm not saying I think we should deport all the Mexicans or build the wall or even that they are, philosophically criminals - but the fact of the matter is they have broken the law. The gov is supposed to support and enforce the law of the land and if someone has broken the law, they should be punished by the "law" (aka the government). Not paid. Yes, it is deeply disturbing. Trump golfing, also deeply disturbing.

Lehman Brothers bailout - also deeply disturbing.

Adding on - even a socialist should cringe at this because if you take the US as a society that pays taxes to pool resources for the common good, why would we include those that aren't in the club ? Why wouldn't those funds go to help those in the social group that paid in the money in the first place.

Lehman bros. Never got a bailout.

I guess I'm not really a socialist. I think I'm a Buddhist humanist.

But be real...the trump thing is disturbing, but the illegals makes you ANGRY.

Submitted by Coronita on April 17, 2020 - 5:13pm.

The way I wish things would have been handled is make this more voluntary versus compulsory through all taxpayers.

For example, it would be good if the state setup a general slush fund to help unemployed people who are legal residence and another one for those that are illegal.

For every dollar you contribute to this slush fund, you get
$0.60 worth of state tax credit up to a ceiling. That way, people who are financially able to can participate, get some sort of benefit from it as an encouragement, and those that can't can opt out.

I'm kinda indifferent to all this government spending since nothing surprises me. No biggie.

Submitted by phaster on April 21, 2020 - 9:35am.

sdduuuude wrote:

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/apr/15/co...

article wrote:
California will give cash payments to immigrants living in the country illegally, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Wednesday, using a mix of taxpayer money and charitable contributions to give 150,000 adults $500 each during the coronavirus outbreak.

I just can't even imagine why. This is just wrong. Taking from taxpayers in one country to give to people who aren't taxpayers from another country. It just is ethically wrong.

the simple truth is, politicians are giving money away is because its a way for them to think of themselves as doing something good,... BUT sadly if ever do they think of the long term finances or the knock on effects!!!

a systemic case in point,...

Quote:

AUDIT: SAN DIEGO’S FISCAL HEALTH

San Diego is the most fiscally troubled city in San Diego County, according to the California State Auditor.

...That poor ranking appears to be driven by the city’s large amount of long term debt, more than $3.3 billion, and its failure to set aside adequate funding to meet the demands of its pension and other post-employment benefit obligations, according to the dashboard.

San Diego also received the worst rating when came to the amount it has set aside in its financial reserves, an issue the auditor specifically highlighted during her press conference.

“The city of San Diego really only has a couple of months of reserves set aside,” said Howle. “This should be a warning flag for city officials and the city of San Diego, that this is an area officials need to focus on.”

www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/politi...

this issue is directly related to a front page story that appeared in the UT (where I noticed the UT watchdog missed a few key facts)

www.TinyURL.com/13thCheck

basically looking at the issue as an investor

www.TinyURL.com/InvestorWarning

we are facing the perfect $hit $torm,... with political leadership consisting of showboating idiots who pander to their own constituencies BUT basically have a history of having NO balls to deal w/ big problems AND shit for brains

for example Todd Gloria who looks to become the next mayor of this city and the irony is if the idiot gets elected he is going to have to fix problem he basically created in the first place?!

www.TinyURL.com/ToddGloria

basically seems politicians like giving away stuff that isn't theirs (for votes)

Quote:

Southern California Rental Housing Association Addresses AB-828

The Southern California Rental Housing Association is providing a streamline page in order to take action and respond to AB-828, an assembly bill amended recently that would purportedly force property owners to reduce rents on tenants by 25% for 12 months.

https://app.muster.com/take-action/Z5NPo...

bottom line,... too many no talent ass clown politicians in both parties have fallen into the trap of buying things on credit that otherwise they could not afford

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