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Submitted by phaster on June 13, 2021 - 5:53pm

had an opportunity to check out the "aptera" prototypes (which is local SD EV startup)

Quote:

Invest in the Future of Transportation

Aptera’s Solar Electric Vehicles aim to change how the world drives.

https://www.aptera.us/invest

just wondering what other investors thought of the EV sector

Submitted by Escoguy on June 15, 2021 - 8:00am.

They have a few interesting points in their concept and I hope they succeed:

Given my experience, I'd probably go with one of the lower range as a 110 outlet is everywhere. It's very notable that's what they are basing it on but if the vehicle is light enough, this makes sense.

I can see the appeal to some with the camper hookup but would only buy it for that purpose if in fact you actually have gone camping in the past.

Submitted by evolusd on June 15, 2021 - 8:29am.

Like the idea, but vanity is real and few will want to drive this funky looking car. Model 3 is beautiful and pretty damn efficient.

Submitted by carlsbadworker on June 15, 2021 - 9:40am.

evolusd wrote:
Like the idea, but vanity is real and few will want to drive this funky looking car. Model 3 is beautiful and pretty damn efficient.

You are kidding, right? Vanity is about owning things others don't have...the funky looking is feature not a bug.

Submitted by gzz on June 15, 2021 - 12:57pm.

I might buy it if it were for sale.

I am test driving cars now. I liked the new mini SUV Hyundai Venue and a 2018 top trim impreza hatch with leather. The Kona is eye catching and popular but I liked the venue better, plus it is cheaper, so that’s off the list.

Submitted by phaster on June 16, 2021 - 1:26pm.

carlsbadworker wrote:
evolusd wrote:
Like the idea, but vanity is real and few will want to drive this funky looking car. Model 3 is beautiful and pretty damn efficient.

You are kidding, right? Vanity is about owning things others don't have...the funky looking is feature not a bug.

took delivery of a funky looking "highway legal" EV last November

wasn't vanity that made me pull the trigger to buy one,... bought an arcimoto FUV (fun utility vehicle) because its well designed and well built, its small and easy to maneuver so its the perfect urban runabout for SD

been following the progress of various EVs for quite a while so think I have a good overall feel where things are headed

back in 2006 had a chance to check out the roadster prototypes under development up @ the Tesla HQ in San Carlos and also had a chance to check out a production model roadster here in town,... the roadster wasn't very practical for the everyday real world, example crossing rail road tacks was a PITA because the front air dam was easy to damage if you weren't careful driving, same with various driveways (which could cause damage)

the aptera design is optimized to be a good commuter vehicle AND I think this time around its actually going to make it into production (in the first go around the company went bankrupt before reaching production)

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/107...

kinda had a pretty good idea how things were progressing (the first go around) because the guy who was doing the actual fabrication was another airport bum I use to have lunch w/

Submitted by Coronita on June 16, 2021 - 1:19pm.

didn't aptera go BK in 2005?

Submitted by phaster on June 16, 2021 - 1:22pm.

Coronita wrote:
didn't aptera go BK in 2005?

more like 2011

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/107...

Submitted by Coronita on June 16, 2021 - 2:19pm.

I don't know. If i were to speculate. I would speculate on water rights if I knew how. Seems like that will be in greater need than EV, especially on the west coast.

Submitted by phaster on June 17, 2021 - 9:18am.

Coronita wrote:
I don't know. If i were to speculate. I would speculate on water rights if I knew how. Seems like that will be in greater need than EV, especially on the west coast.

years ago started to momentum trade AND managed to make much more than I lost, simply because I kept in mind "the trend is your friend" till it isn't!

water rights is a long term "need" investment, whereas the EV sector as I see things is the new momentum "need" trade

the EV sector (in particular the three wheelers) solve a problem not too many think about (or for that matter understand AND can put into context)

FWIW the returns (percentage wise) I've made "investing" in the EV sector dwarfs the returns (percentage wise) in SD RE appreciation

Why SANDY MUNRO is Excited About APTERA
( & Other 3-Wheel EVs )

www.youtube.com/watch?v=64JbHWU2fSo

LG Investments & Research (arcimoto)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAy2QSaKps4

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 17, 2021 - 10:14am.

phaster wrote:
carlsbadworker wrote:
evolusd wrote:
Like the idea, but vanity is real and few will want to drive this funky looking car. Model 3 is beautiful and pretty damn efficient.

You are kidding, right? Vanity is about owning things others don't have...the funky looking is feature not a bug.

took delivery of a funky looking "highway legal" EV last November

wasn't vanity that made me pull the trigger to buy one,... bought an arcimoto FUV (fun utility vehicle) because its well designed and well built, its small and easy to maneuver so its the perfect urban runabout for SD

been following the progress of various EVs for quite a while so think I have a good overall feel where things are headed

back in 2006 had a chance to check out the roadster prototypes under development up @ the Tesla HQ in San Carlos and also had a chance to check out a production model roadster here in town,... the roadster wasn't very practical for the everyday real world, example crossing rail road tacks was a PITA because the front air dam was easy to damage if you weren't careful driving, same with various driveways (which could cause damage)

the aptera design is optimized to be a good commuter vehicle AND I think this time around its actually going to make it into production (in the first go around the company went bankrupt before reaching production)

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/107...

kinda had a pretty good idea how things were progressing (the first go around) because the guy who was doing the actual fabrication was another airport bum I use to have lunch w/

Looks like an ebike would be safer

Submitted by spdrun on June 20, 2021 - 6:49am.

I don't know if it will succeed, but it's a welcome change from the 4000+ lb EV behemoths that are being pushed by automakers these days. Electric vehicles aren't a panacea unless the power to charge them comes from nuclear or renewables, so energy efficiency (weight reduction/aerodynamics) still matters. A 5000 lb electric SUV built like a masonry latrine will still be suboptimal from an environmental standpoint.

I don't necessarily think that 3 wheelers are the future, but I'd love to see a sub-3000 lb electric car with roughly the geometry of an early 2000s Civic or Corolla. It's definitely doable -- an 85kW Tesla pack is 1000 lb, but an electric motor is much lighter than an infernal-combustion engine and transmission.

Submitted by phaster on June 20, 2021 - 6:58am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
phaster wrote:


Looks like an ebike would be safer

truth is people do not consider the big picture or are able to put things into context

WRT an eBike vs an Acrimoto FUV,... have aBike (beach cruiser) use to use it to get around, but it has limitations when I need to carry items AND then there is the problem of drivers not paying attention to people on bikes

for example since I have rentals I often have to go to home depot and pick up small items,... in this case the Acrimoto FUV is the perfect tool because I can carry small items (in the lockable storage box) and because the height of the FUV is taller than a crossover other drivers notice this vehicle (on the road)

I've been on my eBike downtown and have almost been run off the road because an idiot too busy talking on a cell phone driving an SUV does not have enough bandwidth to do both talk and drive at the same time

its no contest when on public roads the FUV is the overall safest option IMHO (that is because I have "situational awareness" AND know the limitation of the vehicle)

FWIW check out this YouTube video from transpiration evolved which is the best technical "drivers" review of the FUV

We Had a Weekend Of Fun With The Arcimoto FUV Electric Trike
And We Loved It!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfSNs90N-Ms

also FYI in a recent news article it was noted monthly average CO2 levels were 419 PPM and the last line read,...

"the longer we wait, the harder it gets"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-e...

thought I'd point this Washington Post article about research started here in SD @ SIO/UCSD because sadly 99.9999% of people don't have the brains (and "cajones") to consider the lessons of "error chain" analysis (like in aviation accident investigations to prevent further carnage/mayhem)

https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/...

looking at the big picture of the effects of CO2 produced by internal combustion engines the knock on effects are going to last a really long time,...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 20, 2021 - 9:42am.

phaster wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
phaster wrote:


Looks like an ebike would be safer

truth is people do not consider the big picture or are able to put things into context

WRT an eBike vs an Acrimoto FUV,... have aBike (beach cruiser) use to use it to get around, but it has limitations when I need to carry items AND then there is the problem of drivers not paying attention to people on bikes

for example since I have rentals I often have to go to home depot and pick up small items,... in this case the Acrimoto FUV is the perfect tool because I can carry small items (in the lockable storage box) and because the height of the FUV is taller than a crossover other drivers notice this vehicle (on the road)

I've been on my eBike downtown and have almost been run off the road because an idiot too busy talking on a cell phone driving an SUV does not have enough bandwidth to do both talk and drive at the same time

its no contest when on public roads the FUV is the overall safest option IMHO (that is because I have "situational awareness" AND know the limitation of the vehicle)

FWIW check out this YouTube video from transpiration evolved which is the best technical "drivers" review of the FUV

We Had a Weekend Of Fun With The Arcimoto FUV Electric Trike
And We Loved It!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfSNs90N-Ms

also FYI in a recent news article it was noted monthly average CO2 levels were 419 PPM and the last line read,...

"the longer we wait, the harder it gets"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-e...

thought I'd point this Washington Post article about research started here in SD @ SIO/UCSD because sadly 99.9999% of people don't have the brains (and "cajones") to consider the lessons of "error chain" analysis (like in aviation accident investigations to prevent further carnage/mayhem)

https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/...

looking at the big picture of the effects of CO2 produced by internal combustion engines the knock on effects are going to last a really long time,...

Cargo bikes.

https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/bikes/47...

WANT NOW!!!

I have rigged piles of hi visibility materials to my ebike that appear to present a danger to cars and greatly increase my profile.

Those hi vis traffic lane border tubes in the road get knocked down by dopes who cannot maneuver their giant coffins on wheels? Attach to rack, put in panniers.

Pool noodles with hi vis tape? Point left and occupy part of the lane.

Sharp old soda cans crushed and impaled on driveway markers sticking out leftward 3 feet into the lane ...check.

Old barbed wire over the cans for max damage to car paint.

Tent poles , aluminum sharpened and pointing straight back as javelins toward driver heads.

Etc.

Drivers fear paint damage, not killing cyclists.

A bicycle and its rider should have IMO a minimum 6 foot hi vis solid visual width, with 3 feet off to the left for a border complying with state law that registers in drivers minds as danger to the vehicle.

Height is also desirable .an orange windsock flying off a fishing pole helps.

An investment in 50 pool noodles attached to your bike with fluorescent duck tape wrapping it would do wonders.

every cyclist should have minimum 20 pool noodles affixed to self or bike while riding on a public roadway.

A committed cyclist can achieve far greater visibility than a car.

for the shy and non committed, even just big panniers easily carry 50 to 60 liters of goods and head to toe vi hiz vest and overpants is a start.

A decent trailer can move a washing machine.

I also would like a custom danger cycle created. I see something like a caged starburst creation that has cutlery pointing left and back with fake concertina wire surrounding it. Or perhaps a bracket holding 50 paint brushes dripping with yellow paint. Something post apocalyptic looking. 500 keys pointed toward the lane.

A trailer full of fake plastic boulders?

Perhaps simply riding with a long ceremonial sword attached to left wrist that you whip around to create a left buffer zone.

Lots of nice fake metal ones on Amazon that would get attention.

Maybe printed billboards that require reduction in speed to read? Need a special set up for that.

"Slow down, check out my boobs".

?

Another possibility: cute dogs visible in trailer.

People hate cyclists, but love dogs. They won't kill a dog. Maybe just run the dog to the left on a leash suspended 3 feet out? That'd work. Need fit dog. I might do that. Ride slow. Tire the pup out.be nice to have a team of 6 dogs from left to right take up the rear on a leashed trailer so they don't run into you. Dress the dogs in spiked collars

Or a hook hanging into the lane with roadkill suspended from it? That might work. Or for simplicity, drag a dead animal behind you with cheap rope spray painted orange. That's an attention grabber.

Alternatively you could imitate morons in trucks who fly giant flags.

Why choose? WHY NOT ALL OF THESE?????

A nice ripe dead dog or coyote 3 feet to the left would really catch the eye. Obviously this one could be bad for health. But interesting political statement.

http://takeyourlane.com/3footlaw/

Riding completely nude could also make drivers pass slowly to check u out. Maybe just a thong with ass cheeks fully visible? I fear the sun so, won't work for me.

Wear large stuffed bra on back to confuse people? Use with long haired wig

Blow up sex doll? 20 dildos pointing every which way?

Some of these ideas are obviously bad. Use your discretion. Animal cruelty charges are possible. Be careful. Consult your lawyer. Kishigo brand orange shirts are awesome. Can also find nice bright hunting wear on eBay that is shockingly visible. Of course, I could get crushed tomorrow. But the greatest cause of bike car accidents is....

" I didn't even see him, officer!"

Cut off that defense. Make it laughable

So, in sum, head out to Walmart, buy all their cheapass pool noodles and some bright duck tape and get creative!!! If you really believe climate change threatens your existence, you may arguably have a moral duty to do this, immediately. See, e.g. Kant.

Submitted by phaster on June 25, 2021 - 8:55am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
phaster wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
phaster wrote:


Looks like an ebike would be safer

truth is people do not consider the big picture or are able to put things into context

Cargo bikes.

https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/bikes/47...

WANT NOW!!!

I have rigged piles of hi visibility materials to my ebike that appear to present a danger to cars and greatly increase my profile.

Those hi vis traffic lane border tubes in the road get knocked down by dopes who cannot maneuver their giant coffins on wheels? Attach to rack, put in panniers.

...A committed cyclist can achieve far greater visibility than a car.

...I also would like a custom danger cycle created. I see something like a caged starburst creation that has cutlery pointing left and back with fake concertina wire surrounding it.

...People hate cyclists, but love dogs. They won't kill a dog. Maybe just run the dog to the left on a leash suspended 3 feet out? That'd work. Need fit dog. I might do that. Ride slow. Tire the pup out.be nice to have a team of 6 dogs from left to right take up the rear on a leashed trailer so they don't run into you. Dress the dogs in spiked collars

...Alternatively you could imitate morons in trucks who fly giant flags.

Why choose? WHY NOT ALL OF THESE?????

A nice ripe dead dog or coyote 3 feet to the left would really catch the eye. Obviously this one could be bad for health. But interesting political statement.

http://takeyourlane.com/3footlaw/

Riding completely nude could also make drivers pass slowly to check u out. Maybe just a thong with ass cheeks fully visible? I fear the sun so, won't work for me.

Wear large stuffed bra on back to confuse people? Use with long haired wig

Blow up sex doll? 20 dildos pointing every which way?

Some of these ideas are obviously bad. Use your discretion. Animal cruelty charges are possible. Be careful. Consult your lawyer. Kishigo brand orange shirts are awesome. Can also find nice bright hunting wear on eBay that is shockingly visible. Of course, I could get crushed tomorrow. But the greatest cause of bike car accidents is....

" I didn't even see him, officer!"

Cut off that defense. Make it laughable

So, in sum, head out to Walmart, buy all their cheapass pool noodles and some bright duck tape and get creative!!! If you really believe climate change threatens your existence, you may arguably have a moral duty to do this, immediately. See, e.g. Kant.

sounds kinda like you want a bike that combines burning man "art" and mad max "action"

...reminds me kinda have an "art" bike project I started but never got around to finishing

actually years ago thought about buying an electric cargo trike

https://www.radpowerbikes.com/pages/radb...

but could not justify the asking price,...

happened to find an old quad-cycle for sale on Craigslist for a couple of hundred so bought it

since the bike had been sitting unused for a while, had to replace all four tires, then had to machine new axials

basically my quadcycle is rideable but really slow, so figured I'd turn it into a tiki themed happy hour cruiser (picked up all kinds of kitchy decorations but alas things never got past that stage)

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 25, 2021 - 3:05pm.

phaster wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
phaster wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
phaster wrote:


Looks like an ebike would be safer

truth is people do not consider the big picture or are able to put things into context

Cargo bikes.

https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/bikes/47...

WANT NOW!!!

I have rigged piles of hi visibility materials to my ebike that appear to present a danger to cars and greatly increase my profile.

Those hi vis traffic lane border tubes in the road get knocked down by dopes who cannot maneuver their giant coffins on wheels? Attach to rack, put in panniers.

...A committed cyclist can achieve far greater visibility than a car.

...I also would like a custom danger cycle created. I see something like a caged starburst creation that has cutlery pointing left and back with fake concertina wire surrounding it.

...People hate cyclists, but love dogs. They won't kill a dog. Maybe just run the dog to the left on a leash suspended 3 feet out? That'd work. Need fit dog. I might do that. Ride slow. Tire the pup out.be nice to have a team of 6 dogs from left to right take up the rear on a leashed trailer so they don't run into you. Dress the dogs in spiked collars

...Alternatively you could imitate morons in trucks who fly giant flags.

Why choose? WHY NOT ALL OF THESE?????

A nice ripe dead dog or coyote 3 feet to the left would really catch the eye. Obviously this one could be bad for health. But interesting political statement.

http://takeyourlane.com/3footlaw/

Riding completely nude could also make drivers pass slowly to check u out. Maybe just a thong with ass cheeks fully visible? I fear the sun so, won't work for me.

Wear large stuffed bra on back to confuse people? Use with long haired wig

Blow up sex doll? 20 dildos pointing every which way?

Some of these ideas are obviously bad. Use your discretion. Animal cruelty charges are possible. Be careful. Consult your lawyer. Kishigo brand orange shirts are awesome. Can also find nice bright hunting wear on eBay that is shockingly visible. Of course, I could get crushed tomorrow. But the greatest cause of bike car accidents is....

" I didn't even see him, officer!"

Cut off that defense. Make it laughable

So, in sum, head out to Walmart, buy all their cheapass pool noodles and some bright duck tape and get creative!!! If you really believe climate change threatens your existence, you may arguably have a moral duty to do this, immediately. See, e.g. Kant.

sounds kinda like you want a bike that combines burning man "art" and mad max "action"

...reminds me kinda have an "art" bike project I started but never got around to finishing

actually years ago thought about buying an electric cargo trike

https://www.radpowerbikes.com/pages/radb...

but could not justify the asking price,...

happened to find an old quad-cycle for sale on Craigslist for a couple of hundred so bought it

since the bike had been sitting unused for a while, had to replace all four tires, then had to machine new axials

basically my quadcycle is rideable but really slow, so figured I'd turn it into a tiki themed happy hour cruiser (picked up all kinds of kitchy decorations but alas things never got past that stage)

Safety first.

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