Americas image

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 30, 2020 - 9:22am

Negative

We have the most covid19 dead

We cant do a lockdown

We are violent.

Our word means nothing, treaty breaking.

We have a large underclass.

We live in a police state that glorifies dominance power and aggression.

We lost afghanistan.

Our leader is a mean dolt.

Pluses

We have a lot of weapons.

We are crazy, so we inspire fear.

We consume a lot. Good for business.

We sell some cool stuff

We have good school but not open.

Am i missing anything?

I cant imagine any country looking to us for leadership. We are not even a banana republic. More like n. Korea. Just a creepy weird setup to work around?

Does this not bode well for the future?

Is thrre any scenario where the world says, fuck these assholes, you want isolationism, you got it. the dollar loses reserve currency. Maybe stop isduong visas to americans...

Can america be broken?

Submitted by outtamojo on May 30, 2020 - 10:05am.

It's either all of the above or a return to political correctness- Make America Politically Correct Again!

Submitted by zk on May 30, 2020 - 10:23am.

My 2 cents:

America can easily be broken. Well, turned into a more disgusting, more violent, more reviled version of a once-world-dominating but now second-rate country like The U.K.

The difference is it won't take very long for that to happen to us, given our leadership and our culture.

On a longer time frame (but not that long - say, 40 or 50 years), if we keep electing "leaders" like trump, we could be much, much worse off than that. Our only hope of avoiding that fate is - and don't hold your breath for this - for common sense to prevail among the American people. For Americans to stop believing the propaganda that tells them that "trump only lies about little things" and "trump is trustworthy and honest" and "Hillary runs a pedophile ring" and "Joe Scarborough murdered his assistant" and "Obamagate is the worst political scandal in American history" and "trump was completely exonerated by the Mueller report" and the million other emotionally-manipulative bits of propaganda that cause otherwise-normal people to support one of the most vile and incompetent human beings ever to "lead" a country.

Submitted by svelte on May 30, 2020 - 2:35pm.

I don't care much what my image is. Or what my country's image is.

Not saying I don't care at all, but for the most part I care what I think about me. Sometimes folks comment that I do things to be flashy. I respond NO I would do that even if no one was around. What you think of it I couldn't care less.

Submitted by outtamojo on May 30, 2020 - 3:05pm.

Yeah image is not really important...unless it accurately reflects what one is.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 30, 2020 - 4:10pm.

svelte wrote:
I don't care much what my image is. Or what my country's image is.

Not saying I don't care at all, but for the most part I care what I think about me. Sometimes folks comment that I do things to be flashy. I respond NO I would do that even if no one was around. What you think of it I couldn't care less.

That’s when the country needs to worry because you’ve given up. You know the country is not moral or righteous so you focus on your own well-being only. It’s like well-to-do people in Brazil only caring about their own comfort.

I care, but to tell the truth, I have given up. Trump has really unmasked what America is all about and it not pretty — nothing to be proud of. We have an a huge uneducated segment of our population and we aren’t prepared for the 21st century.

Of course as individuals, we will make the best of the situation, But we can no longer claim that America is great, much less that Trump is making America great again.

BTW, if you follow non-English media, you can clearly see that nobody trusts us anymore. Even DW English is critical of the US. One reason I am pessimistic about the future is because our culture does not allow any critique, and without self reflection, we will not change. Americans tent to take any criticism as not being patriotic, so people who work for change have to be very careful what they say.

The US Dollar will remain the reserve currency for our lifetimes. In an uncertain world, investors the world over will want the strongest currency. The pound sterling was strong well after the British empire was no more. That’s an American strength, but also a weakness because will continue our old ways and debts will accumulate.

China and India will surpass us eventually for the law of numbers cannot be overcome. So if we want to live in a peaceful world, we’d better be careful how we act for the rules we set now will eventually be applied to us.

Submitted by zk on May 30, 2020 - 5:09pm.

svelte wrote:
I don't care much what my image is. Or what my country's image is.

You don't have to care what your country's image is. But your country definitely should.

If your country has an image of being untrustworthy, it will be significantly harder to deal with other countries.

If your country is suspected of planning a first strike, the other side might beat you to it.

If your country has an image of not giving a shit about other countries, other countries are less likely to come to your aid.

Et cetera.

If a country thinks it can go it alone, then it doesn't have to worry about such things. Actually, that's not right. If a country actually can go it alone and is willing to give up the benefits of cooperating with other countries, then it doesn't have to worry about such things

Being a good person or a good country and not worrying about your image is one thing.

Being a bad country or a bad person and doing bad shit because you don't care about your image is something else. As an individual, you're exposed to thousands of people, and probably a couple will like you no matter what kind of schmuck you are. And, as long as it's not enough to get you fired from your job, you'll be ok. Countries are different. There are only a couple hundred countries, and only a few dozen that really have the potential to be significant partners. So being a piece of shit country that doesn't give a shit about its image is likely to end with your country in a bad place.

Submitted by svelte on May 30, 2020 - 9:06pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
svelte wrote:
I don't care much what my image is. Or what my country's image is.

Not saying I don't care at all, but for the most part I care what I think about me. Sometimes folks comment that I do things to be flashy. I respond NO I would do that even if no one was around. What you think of it I couldn't care less.


I haven't given up. I have never given a flyin' F what anybody else thinks. I go my own way.

It has paid off very handsomely.

Even if it hadn't paid off, I'd still be a rebel because that's what is deep in my soul. Lead, follow, or get the F out of the way.

Submitted by zk on May 30, 2020 - 10:24pm.

svelte wrote:

Even if it hadn't paid off, I'd still be a rebel because that's what is deep in my soul. Lead, follow, or get the F out of the way.

I don't think that quote fits a rebel at all. In fact, the first time I heard that quote as a teenager, I called it the "herd mentality" philosophy. According to that philosophy, nobody who is doing anything would be doing his own thing. They'd either be leading a crowd or part of a crowd. A rebel does his own thing. He's certainly not following anyone. He's not getting out of the way. He's not really leading anyone, either. He's doing his own thing, regardless of whether anyone else agrees with him or follows him or not.

Some rebels are leaders, but only because others choose to follow them. But that's not their goal. Their goal is to do what they want, indifferent as to whether anyone follows. A "rebel leader," i.e. leader of rebels, isn't really a rebel at all. Not as an individual. He's not just part of a movement, he's the leader of it.

Also left out of that philosophy is the lone wolf. A close relative of the rebel, he more quietly goes about making the world a better place (or worse, or whatever his deal is), and he doesn't need anybody's help doing it. He's not in your face, but he won't "get out of the way" if you try to push him off of doing what he's doing. He does all this without concern over what others think, just like the rebel. But maybe less boldly or shrilly or noticeably.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 30, 2020 - 9:40pm.

Americans care a whole lot what others in the world think. We are actually very fragile when people don’t give us adequate appreciation.
Take NATO to example. If we truly were confident in our righteousness, we wouldn’t care if Europeans didn’t appreciate our contributions because we are doing right by the world.
Americans are always outraged for one reason or another that such and such country is not giving us enough credit. they just pretend because we are mean and crazy and inspire fear

What you personally do for yourself as an individual is besides the point. America’s image is important because that’s soft power we can use get others to follow us. Failing that, we have to use hard power which is costly.

Submitted by ltsddd on May 31, 2020 - 7:11am.

There should be a weight threshold for gov't officials at any level. America should always project the image that we're serious and strong. Hal is the antithesis of that. People around the world who don't know better and saw this video would think that America is the land of the fat slob pigs - starting from the top down to a small town mayor in Petal, MS.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...

Submitted by outtamojo on May 31, 2020 - 12:38pm.

The world judges us https://news.yahoo.com/world-uneasily-wa...

Our image is true. America on fire and dying- was any other result possible given that we are led by a 6 time failed
narcissist "businessman"?

There is hope tho- the young people are pissed. Gotta get out there and vote, overcome the gerrymandering and voter suppression in the red states.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 31, 2020 - 8:55pm.

Ask ourselves how the Americans press would cover the protests if they were in another country.

Submitted by outtamojo on May 31, 2020 - 10:45pm.

Dude went to hide in his bunker for a while. Apparently the lights are off at the White House. This is surreal.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 1, 2020 - 7:35am.

He will need a lot of security as an ex pres.

Maybe we are just iraq circa 2003. Rumsfeld says looting is a sign of good things to come. Stay invested!

DEFENSE NEWS APRIL 11, 2003

WASHINGTON, April 11 (UPI) -- U.S. forces should not be blamed for the lawlessness and looting in Baghdad as it is a natural consequence of the transition from a dictatorship to a free country, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday at the Pentagon.

"The task we've got ahead of us now is an awkward one ... It's untidy. And freedom's untidy. And free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that's what's going to happen here," Rumsfeld said.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 1, 2020 - 3:28pm.

A beautiful sight to behold Nancy Pelosi said about protests in Hong Kong.

The Chinese are saying the same thing about our protests. The details may be different but objectively, they are all protests against authority.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 1, 2020 - 3:31pm.

outtamojo wrote:
Dude went to hide in his bunker for a while. Apparently the lights are off at the White House. This is surreal.

Maybe they had intelligence that the protesters would storm the White House.
Would snipers on the roof start shooting? I wonder what the contingency plans are.

Submitted by outtamojo on June 1, 2020 - 4:12pm.

Dude just threw gasoline on a fire

Then tear gassed peaceful protesters

While no curfew

Holding a bible lmao

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 1, 2020 - 5:28pm.

i say we temporarily suspend the 2nd am. and the 1st. the 5th, 6th. 14th.

are car bombs a realistic danger to the president? criminalize driving in a 50 mile radius of trumps location

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 1, 2020 - 11:24pm.

Gasing peaceful protesters.
Arbitrary curfews
Arbitrary disperse orders
Arbitrary arrests
Deploying thousands and thousands of soldiers
Police vehicles ramming into civilians, etc...

Submitted by outtamojo on June 2, 2020 - 7:30am.

https://news.yahoo.com/wanton-thuggery-a...

Sorry Australia- we have thugs in the White House.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 2, 2020 - 10:54am.

More than 100 attacks by US police on journalists covering the protests.
https://youtu.be/bSXdYNbS9DQ

I listened to Trump during breakfast. The world only needs to listen to our president.
https://youtu.be/bIAjqvazRYc

Submitted by ltsddd on June 2, 2020 - 2:12pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
More than 100 attacks by US police on journalists covering the protests.

The "enemy of the people". They heeded the call.

Submitted by outtamojo on June 2, 2020 - 8:26pm.

Wow someone with integrity finally https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/02/james-mi...

Submitted by outtamojo on June 2, 2020 - 9:04pm.

So many of the protesters have bikes. No wonder there is a bike shortage.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 2, 2020 - 9:22pm.

outtamojo wrote:
Wow someone with integrity finally https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/02/james-miller-resigns-from-pentagon-slams-esper-for-role-in-trump-photo.html

Probably just vying for better role in biden admin.

Submitted by outtamojo on June 2, 2020 - 9:56pm.

Nah Biden is a toucher

Submitted by phaster on June 3, 2020 - 7:02am.

Americas image (since this is a RE forum found this comment funny)

about TRUMPs photo op

Submitted by ltsddd on June 3, 2020 - 7:19am.

He truly turned our country and everything it embodied into a farce
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-comman...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 3, 2020 - 11:04am.

ltsddd wrote:
He truly turned our country and everything it embodied into a farce
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-comman...

The military is warning the public.

Late Tuesday, the Pentagon announced in a statement that a battalion of combat troops from an Army quick-reaction force based at Fort Bragg had moved into the Washington area, as well as a military police headquarters unit from Fort Bragg and a military police battalion from Fort Drum.

In all, about 1,600 troops were being deployed to the Washington area from Fort Bragg and Fort Drum, the statement said, noting that the troops would be stationed initially at nearby bases outside the District of Columbia.

The Pentagon said this was “a prudent planning measure in response to ongoing support to civil authorities operations.”

“They are on heightened alert status,” the statement said of the troops, but added that they were not yet participating in operations inside the city limits.

Submitted by svelte on June 3, 2020 - 12:57pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
ltsddd wrote:
He truly turned our country and everything it embodied into a farce
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-comman...

The military is warning the public.

Late Tuesday, the Pentagon announced in a statement that a battalion of combat troops from an Army quick-reaction force based at Fort Bragg had moved into the Washington area, as well as a military police headquarters unit from Fort Bragg and a military police battalion from Fort Drum.

In all, about 1,600 troops were being deployed to the Washington area from Fort Bragg and Fort Drum, the statement said, noting that the troops would be stationed initially at nearby bases outside the District of Columbia.

The Pentagon said this was “a prudent planning measure in response to ongoing support to civil authorities operations.”

“They are on heightened alert status,” the statement said of the troops, but added that they were not yet participating in operations inside the city limits.

The public will probably tolerate the military firing bullets at citizens.

But the moment they launch one shell or drop one bomb, that's when all hell breaks loose.

In my opinion.

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